Swinging like the wind & mocking Long

[FleaPitBlade]

I was and I am, Mr Pot.

 

[JohnDenver]

Everybody wants a team full of homegrown talent. As fans theres nothing better than seeing young lads doing well that have come through the ranks. If we are going to expect that then we are also going to have to learn that with it comes mistakes, inconsistancy and poor performances amongst the good stuff and obvoius talent.

As fans we have little control over on pitch affairs but what Long needed more than anything else yesterday was 20,000 arms around his shoulder. If we demand creative and expressive football then we as fans must empower our players to be able to play without the fear that theyll be ripped to shreds everytime they drop a bollock.

This ^^^^^

Young players make mistakes. It's part of the cost of investing in them. If we're serious about our youth policy, we need the culture of the club as a whole to be supportive.

From my seat on the South Stand, the sarcastic twattery wasn't as bad as I feared it would be.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

There was a time when a United keeper on dropping a bollock would have his name sung by the kop to put a bit of confidence back in him. Alan Kelly made the biggest fook up of all time in a big big game I don't remember anyone jeering him.

I remember Alan Kelly in front of the kop trying to dribble around two attackers whilst directly in front of the goal within the 6 yard box. They took the ball off him as if he was a little child who didn't deserve his lolipop and slotted it in the net. Really embarrassing. I can't remember who the opposition was. The kop to a man just groaned quietly. Alan hung his head a little, turned to the kop and made a gesture of apology and the game continued.
I don't recall any booing, jeering or sarcasm. I don't believe the fans were any less disappointed but I do think the culture of football, or at least at the Lane, has changed.
I have never in my life booed or jeered one of my own players. And that's not to say I haven't wished some of them had never even been signed. And I've had the discussion before with people who think they have the right to boo, but I honestly don't see the point, understand the mentality and don't even agree that people have the right. I don't know any other situation where it would be in the slightest acceptable and it isn't even done in most other sports.

 

[Revolution]

i've said this for some time but our fans are becoming a liability. we never play well kicking from the kop end. it's understandable because the fans have put up with so much, but when you consider that we were once considered in the same breath as the stoke fans then it is a bit sad

Yeh, we're letting a team of world beaters down. Shame on us.

I am so pleased that people take defeat at home to Hartlepool and Yeovil so lightly. The players should be ashamed of their performances in their last two games, and Long should be ashamed of a mistake which should have been coached out of him in Junior Blades under 10s.

If they don't like it, try harder and don't do stupid s***.

It's amateurish crap like this and poor performances like that which are going to keep us in this league for a third season. At this rate, the precious few who never boo will have the place to themselves in 2 or 3 years time.

 

[super_pig]

Yeh, we're letting a team of world beaters down. Shame on us.

shame.

 

[Gibbo89]

At this rate, the precious few who never boo will have the place to themselves in 2 or 3 years time.

I always used to be a season ticket holder but in recent years go to the Lane less and less. It's nothing to do with the quality of the football or the prices, much more to do with the atmosphere. It's either as quiet as the inside of a library or like a bear-pit with our own players the bears. "Fans" don't get behind the team any more but berate our players at the first opportunity. Yes there have always been sections of the crowd which have been quick to criticise but now it seems endemic throughout the ground. So I sincerely hope your prediction comes true, at which point I will go back to being a season ticket holder and not miss a game.

 

[Grecian2000]

"Fans" don't get behind the team any more

Top marks. Very understated.

Don't see what the fuss is about myself. Player makes a howler, human nature suggests people will take the piss. Perhaps that's why he won't do it again.

When ever I've played team sports, be it football or cricket, a missed chance, an own goal, a dropped catch, a first baller - whatever, would always result in several other members of the team ripping the piss for days. Part of the game. How you react to adversity is what sorts the men from the boys.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

When ever I've played team sports, be it football or cricket, a missed chance, an own goal, a dropped catch, a first baller - whatever, would always result in several other members of the team ripping the piss for days. Part of the game. How you react to adversity is what sorts the men from the boys.

Team members/friends? Or 10,000 complete strangers?
Because you realise they're not the same?

 

[stannyblade]

still dont understand why Wilson would take Williams off after 88 mins... Yes I know he shouldnt be playing but to put him in the firing line knowing he is the scapegoat was stupid (as was all the booing) He may be shit but he is in the team booing him every time he f##ks up isnt going to help him. How many booed Harry every time he f##ked up on saturday?

 

[Grecian2000]

Team members/friends? Or 10,000 complete strangers?
Because you realise they're not the same?

I realise that you better react to them in the same way or you're fucked. Take it on the chin, learn the lesson and move on (not that it's George who isn't doing that).

I doubt for one minute that the reaction of the crowd was a) unexpected or b) made him feel any worse than he, quite obviously, already did.

 

[Darren]

I realise that you better react to them in the same way or you're fucked. Take it on the chin, learn the lesson and move on (not that it's George who isn't doing that).

I doubt for one minute that the reaction of the crowd was a) unexpected or b) made him feel any worse than he, quite obviously, already did.

I dunno. If, when I was 18 years old, I had made a big mistake in one of my A Level papers and I then had 10,000 people telling me how shit I was, I think it would have made me feel a hell of a lot worse...

 

[Revolution]

I dunno. If, when I was 18 years old, I had made a big mistake in one of my A Level papers and I then had 10,000 people telling me how shit I was, I think it would have made me feel a hell of a lot worse...

Luckily, however, this is the real World, where players of all ages can expect, and are probably used to, the treatment meted out on Long.

 

[Grecian2000]

I dunno. If, when I was 18 years old, I had made a big mistake in one of my A Level papers and I then had 10,000 people telling me how shit I was, I think it would have made me feel a hell of a lot worse...

Not your best analogy Dazzler.

If you were any good you'd put the last answer to the back of your mind whilst you concentrated on the remainder of the exam.
I also struggle with this concept that 10,000 were joining in with this witch-hunt. Half the crowd were involved? Really?

NB: I must point out, at this stage, that I had a four year old with me on Sat. and he's not worked out the correct bladder control to sit through a full half and so I actually missed the "jeering" incident as I was in the bog. If the number of people who were out the back of the kop was replicated in other stands then there must only have been about 50 people in the stands at the time. Concourse was chokka.

 

[Micalijo]

i've said this for some time but our fans are becoming a liability. we never play well kicking from the kop end. it's understandable because the fans have put up with so much, but when you consider that we were once considered in the same breath as the stoke fans then it is a bit sad
as for longy, he's a young player and will make a few howlers.. the difference between him and simmo is that simmo was a seasoned pro with premiership experience and long is in his first proper season.. the pass to him was a hospital ball anyway and he simply didn't want to pass to Williams and i can't say i blame him

I think you mean the fans are our only asset, not liability - but accounting can be confusing. After all, the players are shit and we don't own the ground.

 

[Micalijo]

Yeh, we're letting a team of world beaters down. Shame on us.

I am so pleased that people take defeat at home to Hartlepool and Yeovil so lightly. The players should be ashamed of their performances in their last two games, and Long should be ashamed of a mistake which should have been coached out of him in Junior Blades under 10s.

If they don't like it, try harder and don't do stupid s***.

It's amateurish crap like this and poor performances like that which are going to keep us in this league for a third season. At this rate, the precious few who never boo will have the place to themselves in 2 or 3 years time.

Top stuff Rev lad - keep em coming.

Truly astonishing that minutes after one of the worst performances and results in the club's history people post about a few ironic cheers when the keeper kicks it out.

 

[TwoHeadedSexBeast]

Top stuff Rev lad - keep em coming.

Truly astonishing that minutes after one of the worst performances and results in the club's history people post about a few ironic cheers when the keeper kicks it out.

There were people posting about other things as well.

 

[Micalijo]

Top marks. Very understated.

Don't see what the fuss is about myself. Player makes a howler, human nature suggests people will take the piss. Perhaps that's why he won't do it again.

When ever I've played team sports, be it football or cricket, a missed chance, an own goal, a dropped catch, a first baller - whatever, would always result in several other members of the team ripping the piss for days. Part of the game. How you react to adversity is what sorts the men from the boys.

Not in the world of McCabe apologists it aint Grecian. There you have to cheer properly and compalin bitterley when the other team don't let our boys play the way they want to and heaven forbid foul our boys and niggle.

While I'm at it Tmac is the nastiest piece of work I have seen in red and white for a long long time.

 

[Darren]

Not your best analogy Dazzler.

If you were any good you'd put the last answer to the back of your mind whilst you concentrated on the remainder of the exam.
I also struggle with this concept that 10,000 were joining in with this witch-hunt. Half the crowd were involved? Really?

NB: I must point out, at this stage, that I had a four year old with me on Sat. and he's not worked out the correct bladder control to sit through a full half and so I actually missed the "jeering" incident as I was in the bog. If the number of people who were out the back of the kop was replicated in other stands then there must only have been about 50 people in the stands at the time. Concourse was chokka.

Well, there are 2 possibilities here:

1. The jeering will not have made Long feel any worse;
2. The jeering will have effected his confidence, such that he will be beome a worse player.

I can't see that there is any point risking 2 because 1 might be the correct position.

 

[Grecian2000]

Right Dazzler, as Walthy isn't around we can juggle a few words around if you so desire.

I see there are a fair few more options than you have given.

For instance:

1. He never even heard it as he was wrapped up in his initial pain.
2. It made him think he is shit and he'll never be the same again.
3. It made him more likely never to make the same mistake again.
4. He will now deliberately make a goal costing mistake every game just to spite people.
5. It will be water off a ducks back because he's a conifident kid.

To be honest only time will tell how he reacts. If he's going to be a top keeper it will have no effect, if he isn't then best he finds out now whilst there are still shelf stacking jobs to be had and he only has shoppers to get at him for not knowing where the bacofoil is.

Apologies to said "shelf stacker" at Morrisons Halfway on Saturday but I was in a hurry and the match had just pissed me off.

 

[Revolution]

Well, there are 2 possibilities here:

1. The jeering will not have made Long feel any worse;
2. The jeering will have effected his confidence, such that he will be beome a worse player..

3. The (ironic) jeering will have made the supporters who paid to watch that performance feel a touch better about their day.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Not in the world of McCabe apologists it aint Grecian. There you have to cheer properly and compalin bitterley when the other team don't let our boys play the way they want to and heaven forbid foul our boys and niggle.

While I'm at it Tmac is the nastiest piece of work I have seen in red and white for a long long time.

 

[cooperblade]

Go on Raul...

 

[Darren]

3. The (ironic) jeering will have made the supporters who paid to watch that performance feel a touch better about their day.

At the expense of possibly adversley effecting the confidence of our young goalkeeper, thus making his future performances worse and thus acting against those said supporters' long term interests.

 

[Darren]

Right Dazzler, as Walthy isn't around we can juggle a few words around if you so desire.

I see there are a fair few more options than you have given.

For instance:

1. He never even heard it as he was wrapped up in his initial pain.
2. It made him think he is shit and he'll never be the same again.
3. It made him more likely never to make the same mistake again.
4. He will now deliberately make a goal costing mistake every game just to spite people.
5. It will be water off a ducks back because he's a conifident kid.

To be honest only time will tell how he reacts. If he's going to be a top keeper it will have no effect, if he isn't then best he finds out now whilst there are still shelf stacking jobs to be had and he only has shoppers to get at him for not knowing where the bacofoil is.

Apologies to said "shelf stacker" at Morrisons Halfway on Saturday but I was in a hurry and the match had just pissed me off.

Fair points, but my 46 years life experience is that, whilst constructive criticism can be beneficial, abuse and sarcasm (especially from people supposed to be on your side) rarely has a positive effect, so I still think that the effect will either be neutral or negative.

 

[cooperblade]

Fair points, but my 46 years life experience is that, whilst constructive criticism can be beneficial, abuse and sarcasm (especially from people supposed to be on your side) rarely has a positive effect, so I still think that the effect will either be neutral or negative.

Simmo got similar treatment in a home game (Bristol City?) and improved markedly ...sorry, I mean looked even more mentally fucked up afterwards

 

[Sirius]

He is not just costing us games with obvious clangers. He is so weak at coming for crosses, commandng his box, needless punches etc. Some fans re obviously not watching him closely enough. The first corner against Hartlepool was his fault for leaving Williams stranded with no idea where he was. Not many would notice this, but it lead to the goal. These veiled mistakes are more so the reason we need a new lad in than because he drops the occasional ridiculous bollock.

As a young keeper still learning his trade, George is by no means alone in the Keeper's mistakes league. You Tube no doubt has Sprake throwing the ball into his ne, and how about Manure,? twice in recent weeks their keeper has weakly palmed the ball to an attacker who has then had a simple tap in. And that keeper cost much more than a Haggis sarnie

 

[Rodders]

To me, the mistake was entierly symptomatic of the team performance and how mentally prepared for the game they were. Long had an entire age to control the ball and get rid of it, yet he fannied about totally unneccesarily, and still tried to drop his shoulder and roll the ball back under his foot when the attacker was right on him! It suggests the attitude is not right in the dressing-room.

 

[Robby Blade]

To me, the mistake was entierly symptomatic of the team performance and how mentally prepared for the game they were. Long had an entire age to control the ball and get rid of it, yet he fannied about totally unneccesarily, and still tried to drop his shoulder and roll the ball back under his foot when the attacker was right on him! It suggests the attitude is not right in the dressing-room.

More like he's got away with it a few times on the training ground. In which case the goal keeping coach is to blame. Don't think he'll be trying it again for a while.

Could have cried for the lad when it went in, not like the jeering twats who'd just had their day made.