Sunderland considerably richer

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I was expecting Sunderland to continue their implosion this year.

However, it appears they've just sold Pickford to Everton for 30m. WHilst I agree he looks a decent keeper, 30m for a keeper that's barely played a season is plain bonkers.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Ah shit - admin can you move this to the other football thread please.

 

[Ricky]

Completely fucking barmy.

As if they even need another £30m with the parachute payments they'll be gifted.

Football is shit.

 

[Reedy1889]

I was expecting Sunderland to continue their implosion this year.

However, it appears they've just sold Pickford to Everton for 30m. WHilst I agree he looks a decent keeper, 30m for a keeper that's barely played a season is plain bonkers.

£22m upfront rest in add on's. even still

 

[Jackson Blade]

Third most expensive goalkeeper of all time.... only £3m behind Buffon. Wow. Just wow.

 

[Champagneblade]

It's not as if they actually have to go out and get a keeper either. They've got Manone who, whilst not a World beater should still be ok at Championship level.

There squad is very small now players have been released and they don't have a goal scorer really, but they have enough to get one!

 

[FriethBlade]

Yeah and the one million we got off Everton for Calvert Lewin was just too good to turn down....runs for cover

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Yeah and the one million we got off Everton for Calvert Lewin was just too good to turn down....runs for cover

We would have off loaded Pickford for £5m max.


And got a hard on over the price

 

[YES Blade]

Yeah and the one million we got off Everton for Calvert Lewin was just too good to turn down....runs for cover

A fairer comparison is between Calvert-Lewin and Lookman, we take £1.5m for DCL and Charlton get £7.5m, rising to £11m for Lookman. Adding this £30m Pickford deal into the mix, it just shows that we're fucking useless when negotiating player sales.

 

[BushBlade]

A fairer comparison is between Calvert-Lewin and Lookman, we take £1.5m for DCL and Charlton get £7.5m, rising to £11m for Lookman. Adding this £30m Pickford deal into the mix, it just shows that we're fucking useless when negotiating player sales.

How many games did Lookman play for Charlton in the championship? How many did DCL play in the championship?
How many clubs were in for DCL and how many for Lookman?

 

[YES Blade]

How many games did Lookman play for Charlton in the championship? How many did DCL play in the championship?
How many clubs were in for DCL and how many for Lookman?

So 24 matches in the Championship is worth an extra £6m? With the potential for another £3.5m.

It doesn't matter how many clubs were in for DCL, were we that desperate for the money that we had to sell DCL for any price?

 

[BushBlade]

So 24 matches in the Championship is worth an extra £6m? With the potential for another £3.5m.

It doesn't matter how many clubs were in for DCL, were we that desperate for the money that we had to sell DCL for any price?

Yes. It's much less of a step up so less of a gamble.

It does matter how many clubs are in for players. It's like eBay, if you're the only bidder you'll get the item for the suggested or reserve price. If you're competing against ten buyers you'll pay a lot more. If five PL clubs were looking at Lookman then he's going to cost a lot more than if only Everton wanted him.

I've no idea why the Prince and KM were unwilling to give CW the extra million or so we got from Everton, out of their own pockets. Possibly because CW wasn't prepared to give DCL the big contract that would have kept him with us. Possibly because they thought he was another Slew and we were having Everton over.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

To be honest, I still think we've had Everton over.

He will wind up a league 1 player. Still a decent career mind.

 

[Boxer Blade]

If my memory serves me right nearly everyone on here thoight the deal at the time was a very good deal, on the few occasions we saw DCL most were unsure if he was going to make it, an offer of one million plus comes along and we all thought good deal, let him go, plays in the world cup, scores and what a load of rubbish our club is at negotiations, can't win sometimes ( most times withsome)

 

[Sheffsteel]

It doesn't matter how many clubs were in for DCL, were we that desperate for the money that we had to sell DCL for any price?

Not sure whether you're having memory problems.
DCL was pretty ordinary/ average everytime he played for us.
No way would he have played in our 1st team.

At the time £1 million for promising reserve player was way over the odds.
But PL clubs can afford to pay £1 million for 10 young players using the logic that one will pay off.

DCL was a player for the future NOT the here and now.
Whilst we were in league 1 developing for the future was very low priority.
We were desperate for instant promotion no matter what.

Selling a player for £1 million that wouldn't play in the team was a no brainier (as easy decision).

Now we are in the Championship things have changed quite a lot.
We CAN now start thinking about the future more and can afford to refuse £1 million bids.

 

[B14Nco]

Look at sales from league 1 clubs for players who have hardly played in the first team. We got good money for him, (probably contributed to the signings of Laffs, EEL etc etc) got promoted on the back of it... and he still wouldn't be anywhere near our starting CF... so get over it.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Look at sales from league 1 clubs for players who have hardly played in the first team. We got good money for him, (probably contributed to the signings of Laffs, EEL etc etc) got promoted on the back of it... and he still wouldn't be anywhere near our starting CF... so get over it.

You could argue that the SALE of DCL meant we were Champions.
If we had kept him we'd have possibly finished 2nd of even in the playoffs.
So in the short term it was a great piece of business for us.
The success of the team (as a whole) is much more important than 1 individual.

Another example would be if a PL club came in a offered £3 million for David Brooks.
Another player that can't get in our 1st team. Would you take it?

 

[mancunianblade]

Don't think this is bad business at all. £30m as a figure sounds huge but in relevant terms it no longer is. Everton are getting a keeper who if he retires early will still have a 10 year career. As a keeper he more than proved himself. Pickford will be Englands no1 for the next tournament.

As for the figure

Look at the likes of
Shearer
Buffon
Ferdinand

The fees for these were astronomical at the time 10 years later or 15 years in the case of Buffon you would consider it good business. It's not even about potential he's shown he is a very very good accomplished GK who is still 7-8 years short of his peak!!

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

So 24 matches in the Championship is worth an extra £6m? With the potential for another £3.5m.

It doesn't matter how many clubs were in for DCL, were we that desperate for the money that we had to sell DCL for any price?

And take off the money spent on developing him we must have cleared £200K.

 

[YES Blade]

Look at sales from league 1 clubs for players who have hardly played in the first team. We got good money for him, (probably contributed to the signings of Laffs, EEL etc etc) got promoted on the back of it... and he still wouldn't be anywhere near our starting CF... so get over it.

Great logic, starts for Everton, but not good enough for Sheffield United!

 

[BushBlade]

Great logic, starts for Everton, but not good enough for Sheffield United!

He's not good enough for Everton yet. He's been fantastic in their u23s which is why he keeps getting chances in the first team but he's yet to make a real impact. No one is talking about him like they have Tom Davies, for example.

 

[veganblade]

You could argue if Lukaku plans to leave, they'll probably recoup the money (assuming his value is higher now).

I wouldn't sell Brooks like we did DCL because I think him, and Whiteman especially, are showing real promise at a decent level.

Let's take stock and nuture them rather than sell them 'ont cheap' to keep feeding big Prem clubs!

 

[YES Blade]

Yes. It's much less of a step up so less of a gamble.

It does matter how many clubs are in for players. It's like eBay, if you're the only bidder you'll get the item for the suggested or reserve price. If you're competing against ten buyers you'll pay a lot more. If five PL clubs were looking at Lookman then he's going to cost a lot more than if only Everton wanted him.

I've no idea why the Prince and KM were unwilling to give CW the extra million or so we got from Everton, out of their own pockets. Possibly because CW wasn't prepared to give DCL the big contract that would have kept him with us. Possibly because they thought he was another Slew and we were having Everton over.

So say you're selling your house or your car, do you sell them on the cheap the moment one buyers comes along or do you wait until you get more interest and get a decent price?

Unless you are desperate for the money, I don't see why you shouldn't hang on for better money, if one Premier League club is interested, you can guarantee that others will follow.

 

[LS16Blade]

At the time £1 million for promising reserve player was way over the odds.
But PL clubs can afford to pay £1 million for 10 young players using the logic that one will pay off.

DCL was a player for the future NOT the here and now.
Whilst we were in league 1 developing for the future was very low priority.
We were desperate for instant promotion no matter what.

Selling a player for £1 million that wouldn't play in the team was a no brainier (as easy decision).

Now we are in the Championship things have changed quite a lot.
We CAN now start thinking about the future more and can afford to refuse £1 million bids.

Pretty much in line with what Jamie Hoyland was saying on the radio yesterday. As Hoyland said, DCL wouldn't have had a cat in hell's chance of getting in our side last season. You would never pick him ahead of Billy or even, as Hoyland conceded, Clarke or Hanson. Hoyland also said that they (Hoyland and Unsworth) knew from their time working with DCL at the Lane that there was a player in him, but that DCL needed a lot of toughening up if he was to progress. With the money sloshing around in the top flight, though, they can take quite a few punts, and it seems that on this occasion, the punt may have come off for Everton.

Hoyland said that Everton had also tried to pinch Ramsdale in January, but felt the price was too steep. That looks a bit rich, a day later, when they splash out on a so-so keeper from the team finsihing bottom of the League.

Could do with Hoyland and Unsworth doing their scouting elsewhere. Unfortunately, though, they know that we have a terrific youth set-up and moreover, that we, as a club, have simply not moved with the times as far as transfer fees are concerned meaning that there are bargains to be had.

 

[BushBlade]

So say you're selling your house or your car, do you sell them on the cheap the moment one buyers comes along or do you wait until you get more interest and get a decent price?

Unless you are desperate for the money, I don't see why you shouldn't hang on for better money, if one Premier League club is interested, you can guarantee that others will follow.

A player isn't a chattel. A player is a human being.

 

[Boxer Blade]

So say you're selling your house or your car, do you sell them on the cheap the moment one buyers comes along or do you wait until you get more interest and get a decent price?

Unless you are desperate for the money, I don't see why you shouldn't hang on for better money, if one Premier League club is interested, you can guarantee that others will follow.

Just a quick question, did you agree with selling him at the time, not avin a go just interested YB

 

[Boxer Blade]

A player isn't a chattel. A player is a human being.

Bitheavy that bushy ;-)

 

[BushBlade]

So say you're selling your house or your car, do you sell them on the cheap the moment one buyers comes along or do you wait until you get more interest and get a decent price?

Unless you are desperate for the money, I don't see why you shouldn't hang on for better money, if one Premier League club is interested, you can guarantee that others will follow.

A player isn't a chattel. A player is a human being.

And I believe we did turn down their initial offer. We obviously felt that the price we agreed was as much as we could get. I'm sure that valuation was verified by Wilder before we sold him, taking all factors into account.

On the other hand, maybe CW knows little about big boys' football and KM knows little about money.

 

[YES Blade]

Just a quick question, did you agree with selling him at the time, not avin a go just interested YB

We didn't really get chance to judge him as a player at the time of his sale, so it's hard to for anyone to have an opinion unless you watched the youth team/saw his loan spells.

1 year later, he's definitely worth a hell of a lot more than £1.5m and you can't really defend the money we received. It's up to the coaching staff etc to spot talent at the club and not sell them on the cheap.

 

[sufcboy95]

That's modern day football. People saying it's too much because he's English, yet if he was Spanish it'll be a good deal