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McGrath said:
Has anyone else noticed how we went down the pan after Turry Robinson left the board room. We need him back
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That's why we keep chasing the pie supplier, to try to entice him back. I'm told Bury market is the only chance, premium prices obviously but Tufty has spent all the budget on bloody players.....
 
Suomi_Blade said:
This whole thing could be something and nothing, no one should worry about anything until it happens, its not like anyone on here can change anything anyhow.

The twitter comment could just be with regards to a non significant board member, who supports chris, that is now leaving, nothing more. I dont get why everyone has just assumed its either HRH or KM - there is zero evidence to support this to be the case.
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Stop talking feckin sense, you need to man up and bullshit. PM me your details and I'll courier over some BladeyMcBladeFace common sense.
 
fuerstenberger said:
I have often wondered why we haven't, in the past, attracted more interest from rich business people. Great stadium, great support, town centre location, history etc. There does seem to be a plethora of people from outside the UK buying clubs, eg Barnsley, currently. We must be an attractive proposition, especially given our current position. I suppose we will eventually attract someone. The issue, as you all know, is where that interest comes from. My worst case scenario would be a consortium, including ex professionals. It would mean the end of CW and possibly, long term, the end of the club as we know it. Sunderland's problems all started after a similar scenario.
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The asking price may well have been a factor in recent years.
 
bertieblade said:
Where has this come from alcoblade?
My information is the direct opposite.
Possibly true to say that no one other than an obvious select few have any real idea of the facts.
But one thing is obvious to one and all:——- Wilder must be backed to control what he wants to do within the limitations of his budget and that anyone brought in must work for the benefit of the club.
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Suomi_Blade said:
This whole thing could be something and nothing, no one should worry about anything until it happens, its not like anyone on here can change anything anyhow.

The twitter comment could just be with regards to a non significant board member, who supports chris, that is now leaving, nothing more. I dont get why everyone has just assumed its either HRH or KM - there is zero evidence to support this to be the case.
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There’s more to it than that, I believe.

I think there’s a big dispute between the two of them on the boil, and it’ll surface shortly.

HRH could end up in charge, and that’s not what Wilder wants.
 
McCabe owns the real estate and obviously requires a deal to guarantee rental income. The alternative is apparently an unrealistic expectation of overall value.
Cannot say I blame McCabe for wanting to maximise the return on his investment but unless he is realistic the club will drift.
Money promised by the Prince was used to sustain us in the first division where we lost approaching £25 million over six years, apparently his pot is dry unless McCabe matches him.
Whichever owner is at fault re further investment is largely irrelevant though as unless they sing off the same hymn sheet we will go nowhere and this is exactly where we are.
The best opportunity for many a year provided by the best manager who is achieving way beyond expectations looks like being wasted unless the owners sort it out. That does not initially mean new investmen5 just an agreement as to how to take us forward, an interesting time ahead
 
fuerstenberger said:
I have often wondered why we haven't, in the past, attracted more interest from rich business people. Great stadium, great support, town centre location, history etc. There does seem to be a plethora of people from outside the UK buying clubs, eg Barnsley, currently. We must be an attractive proposition, especially given our current position. I suppose we will eventually attract someone. The issue, as you all know, is where that interest comes from. My worst case scenario would be a consortium, including ex professionals. It would mean the end of CW and possibly, long term, the end of the club as we know it. Sunderland's problems all started after a similar scenario.
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In my opinion the reason why it hasn’t happened is that there aren’t many with the spare funds available who are just happy to get on board, throw their money away and not really want anything back in return other than to see their new club be successful.
Most of these foreign owners are unsurprisingly wanting to gain something from their investment, Be it a profit later in selling up, laundering criminal proceeds, stroking their ego or whatever. And none of those ever really end well.
So when we have been looked at McCabe has delved into the person involved and shut any interest in us down for them to move elsewhere.

With the Prince it was supposed to be different, with KM maintaining his control of assets and the Prince investing in the football, with a view to making a profit by selling his investment later when we returned to the championship.
I may be way off the mark here, but I would be amazed if after all that has happened KM would walk away and leave his club to be run by the kind of dodgy foreign owner he has protected us from in years gone by. The Prince was clear from the start he hadn’t got the money to throw away, and I reckon he’s now wanting out and his money back.
It’s obvious now that we are probably going to fall away to mid table so the likelihood of us getting to the premier league without some serious money to spend is very slim, so the Prince is refusing to put in much more and McCabe won’t chuck any more in as he’s already at his limit.

IMHO the Prince was never in this for the long term, his role was to get in, get us some money to get up to where we are and get out again with a nice little profit selling on to someone else in his circle of wealth. And it’s there where we have hit a buffer and a bit of a stand off.

One thing is sure for me though, I know he’s fucked up a hell of a lot over the years, but I’m much more likely to trust KM than the Prince, and anyone banking on the Prince to be the future of United is seriously misguided. But if there is a bit of a power struggle going on, with board members going in and out every five minutes it isn’t good for the club short term. And the worst thing possible could happen with the progress we have made over the last 18months being destroyed
 
bertieblade said:
McCabe owns the real estate and obviously requires a deal to guarantee rental income. The alternative is apparently an unrealistic expectation of overall value.
Cannot say I blame McCabe for wanting to maximise the return on his investment but unless he is realistic the club will drift.
Money promised by the Prince was used to sustain us in the first division where we lost approaching £25 million over six years, apparently his pot is dry unless McCabe matches him.
Whichever owner is at fault re further investment is largely irrelevant though as unless they sing off the same hymn sheet we will go nowhere and this is exactly where we are.
The best opportunity for many a year provided by the best manager who is achieving way beyond expectations looks like being wasted unless the owners sort it out. That does not initially mean new investmen5 just an agreement as to how to take us forward, an interesting time ahead
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And that's part of the problem. If somebody is wanting to buy the SUFC, they want the club, the players, the ground, the hotel, the offices, the residential development land, the training ground, the health clubs in slough, etc. They want to have totally unencumbered ownership, and not having to deal with turds that won't flush away.
 
I think dual ownership makes us more complicated as a purchase unless it is one buying out the other.

The Prince, if he has the funds, could buy out the football side of things but where would he get the necessary funds for the substantial amount required to compete for promotion? I doubt McCabe would sell the ground in this scenario.

McCabe is on record saying he hasn’t the funds to push on unless he has found other investors (someone on Mad says he has some US investors but obviously that’s unsubstantiated). Replacing one partner with another would be an acrimonious process I would think.

Then the big one. Someone with huge funds wouldn’t want to mess about with both McCabe and the Prince and would want the ground. First of all we’d have to hope they are suitable and it would be a complicated purchase to buy both out.

Of course, it might be nothing to do with investment / purchase.
 



UnitedBlade said:
I think dual ownership makes us more complicated as a purchase unless it is one buying out the other.

The Prince, if he has the funds, could buy out the football side of things but where would he get the necessary funds for the substantial amount required to compete for promotion? I doubt McCabe would sell the ground in this scenario.

McCabe is on record saying he hasn’t the funds to push on unless he has found other investors (someone on Mad says he has some US investors but obviously that’s unsubstantiated). Replacing one partner with another would be an acrimonious process I would think.

Then the big one. Someone with huge funds wouldn’t want to mess about with both McCabe and the Prince and would want the ground. First of all we’d have to hope they are suitable and it would be a complicated purchase to buy both out.

Of course, it might be nothing to do with investment / purchase.
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I hope not. Neither the scenario of the Prince buying KM out or KM getting involved with American investors fills me with confidence, particularly the latter. They're ruthless fuckers and don't seem to understand how difficult it is to make money in football.
 
TomJonesBlade said:
Nine pages from three short, vague tweets. Impressive.

When us little scamps get together, we're worse than a sewing circle.
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It's all plausible though. There were several posts at the start of the season showing how much it costs to have a championship club. They all lose money, it's just a case of how much. There's no chance we can progress without the owners maintaining the current levels of 'investment' as a minimum. If they hoped to get promoted and then run at break even they haven't done their sums. Which is unlikely. So maybe they hoped that we'd do back to back promotions? That doesn't happen very often.
Are they now looking at having to put more money in with no guarantee of going up next season, or the season after etc? Look at Brighton, how much they've had to put in to go up, well over £100m. Look at Derby and they still might not go up. Was this season a last roll of the dice? It may all be bollocks but I've asked the question many times; what did the Prince think he was going to get out of this venture? And what is KM's end game?
 
I think we are a very expensive club to buy. I dont think either owner is willing to cut there losses. There's plenty of cheaper options out there who would still get the same amount of premier league money we could. Untill the asking price is dropped I cant see significant investment at this level for us (hope I'm wrong)
 
LYDON said:
Howdy Jim.
Or is it Mr. Phipps?

YeeHah...
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JimPhipps chose our new Crab Class executive package with Crab Airlines (a division of Crab Industries) to fly over for a Business meeting. On an almost unrelated subject, how long do the batteries last in those Black Box things again?
 
Sean Thornton said:
He's had every single penny back, we've got all the assets, the players contracts are held by Simon and Scott Rich Kids Ltd and we live for free in the hotel that you fans paid for.
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Do you slide into all that money like Scrooge McDuck too? Please say you do, I'd like to see that.
 



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