Step up Mr Brooks

[GreasyChipBeattie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41483358

 

[1889]

It is an absolute certainty that Brooks will play some part in the game, if only to secure his future services to the Welsh

 

[Houso]

And if he trains well, he may well get a substantial part of the game too. Not least because the opposition will know fuck all about him.

 

[I should coco]

Wales will be fine.

It gives you an idea of their strength in depth when a player like Bale gets 'injured' but you have an able deputy to come in:

Bale joined the Wales squad on Monday and, despite sitting out training, it had been hoped he would be fit.

But the 28-year-old's injury means he will not travel to Georgia.

Barnsley striker Tom Bradshaw has been called up to Wales the squad in his place.

 

[Blade58]

Even more likely he gets on now with Bale being declared unfit and won't take part in the next two games

 

[Ricky]

His value could have increased a fair bit by this time next week.

 

[I should coco]

His value could have increased a fair bit by this time next week.

Well, it will have done on this board.

If we talk him up to £35m then it gives a big stick to beat McCabe with, when we 'give him away' for £12m.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well, it will have done on this board.

If we talk him up to £35m then it gives a big stick to beat McCabe with, when we 'give him away' for £12m.

Don't tell me that's only just occurred to you? I'm disappointed.

Some way over value every sale we make for that very reason but can never explain, beyond us "panicking" why no other club comes in with a higher bid than the buyer.

I mentioned that when Adams was sold but they were all on holiday it seems.

 

[SelbyBlade]

Don't tell me that's only just occurred to you? I'm disappointed.

Some way over value every sale we make for that very reason but can never explain, beyond us "panicking" why no other club comes in with a higher bid than the buyer.

I mentioned that when Adams was sold but they were all on holiday it seems.

I think their beef is that we snap off clubs who bid's hands unlike levy at Spurs who was willing to put Berbatov in the reserves to get the price he wanted rather than sell cheap to Man Utd. I have no issues since Wilder has been in. He maybe happy for a quick sale to sort out other squad players he wants and to sort out the wage budget. We are now in a better position and therefore maybe able to hold on to players due to the league we are in and the budget looking better.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I think their beef is that we snap off clubs who bid's hands unlike levy at Spurs who was willing to put Berbatov in the reserves to get the price he wanted rather than sell cheap to Man Utd. I have no issues since Wilder has been in. He maybe happy for a quick sale to sort out other squad players he wants and to sort out the wage budget. We are now in a better position and therefore maybe able to hold on to players due to the league we are in and the budget looking better.

I fully understand that but if some other club genuinely wanted the player they'd be aware via his agent and bids would have come in. They didn't. It's not so much that I'm deflecting blame from the club but that the valuations placed on some players on here laughable.

After saying that, and repeating myself, whoever signed off the Kyle Walker deal shouldn't be allowed near a transfer deal ever again. That's the worst business we've ever done.

 

[BigBed]

If a Barnsley player is seen as a replacement for Bale then obviously Brooks will oust him from the team.

 

[SwissBlade]

I fully understand that but if some other club genuinely wanted the player they'd be aware via his agent and bids would have come in. They didn't. It's not so much that I'm deflecting blame from the club but that the valuations placed on some players on here laughable.

After saying that, and repeating myself, whoever signed off the Kyle Walker deal shouldn't be allowed near a transfer deal ever again. That's the worst business we've ever done.

Lets also not forget, in the minds of some fans:

Undisclosed = Free transfer

 

[SwissBlade]

If a Barnsley player is seen as a replacement for Bale then obviously Brooks will oust him from the team.

Bradshaw is replacing him in the squad it doesn't mean that he's a direct replacement

 

[SelbyBlade]

I agree with you, but I guess my point was it's to do with status as in "do we need to sell". So we tested the resolve of a few clubs over the summer. Some we had to pay more for some we got away with. If we need the money players will go for less when we are less desperate players can stay until a better valuation can be reached. Also some players can be seen as talented by fans but behind the scenes they hurt the spirit of the club. Getting rid quickly may make them cheaper but helps the overall plan. It's not as binary as too little or too much.

 

[BigBed]

Bradshaw is replacing him in the squad it doesn't mean that he's a direct replacement

I'd never have guessed that bud, thanks for clarification.

 

[SwissBlade]

I'd never have guessed that bud, thanks for clarification.

Always welcome.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Well, it will have done on this board.

If we talk him up to £35m then it gives a big stick to beat McCabe with, when we 'give him away' for £12m.

Not just this board. If he lights up the international stage against Ireland, the attention he'd get will see a very real rise in his value.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Not just this board. If he lights up the international stage against Ireland, the attention he'd get will see a very real rise in his value.

He's already reached £25m on here FGS.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Don't tell me that's only just occurred to you? I'm disappointed.

Some way over value every sale we make for that very reason but can never explain, beyond us "panicking" why no other club comes in with a higher bid than the buyer.

I mentioned that when Adams was sold but they were all on holiday it seems.

Didn't Birmingham just turn down loads more for Adams a year later? Rumours ranging from £5-10 million?

How much would DCL go for now?

£3mil for Walker looking good business?

£2mil for Maguire?

I understand there's a business need but throwing a blanket insult over supporters disappointed at losing players for £1-3million who subsequently go on to be worth much more (and the potential for that to happen is abundantly clear at the time of sale) is a bit cheap. It's not that clubs are queuing up to pay it at the time of sale, it's that you can see there is potential for them to kick on and be worth much more than they are being sold for at the time.

 

[I should coco]

He's already reached £25m on here FGS.

Keep up at the back there Sean Thornton !

That was yesterday, but he's now been away on international duty another day so that sticks another £2m on his value. God forbid he actually gets on the pitch for the Leekmunchers, as you won't see any change out of £50m.

 

[I should coco]

£3mil for Walker looking good business?

Undersold I'll agree but we were in the second division at the time. Since then we went down, so our chances of keeping him would have been none existent. The increase in his value has come from playing in the Prem. Just supposing we'd kept him all this time, do you really think Citeh would have given us £50m.

£2mil for Maguire?

As per KW. It is the Prem games that brought him to the eyes of Leicester and not his years with us in L2.

understand there's a business need but throwing a blanket insult over supporters disappointed at losing players for £1-3million who subsequently go on to be worth much more (and the potential for that to happen is abundantly clear at the time of sale) is a bit cheap. It's not that clubs are queuing up to pay it at the time of sale, it's that you can see there is potential for them to kick on and be worth much more than they are being sold for at the time.

Some go on to be worth much more.

Some are Blackman / Slew.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Keep up at the back there Sean Thornton !

That was yesterday, but he's now been away on international duty another day so that sticks another £2m on his value. God forbid he actually gets on the pitch for the Leekmunchers, as you won't see any change out of £50m.

He's already reached £25m on here FGS.

Out of interest, if he were to be sold, at what price would you two deem it "good business"?

I don't subscribe to £25million (I think this is people's way of saying "not for sale unless you offer stupid money" not that he would actually command such a fee). If he were to be sold now (if the window were open), I think he'd probably be in the region of £10million. That said, I'd be disappointed because as I've touched on in another post, he might be worth a lot more than that in a couple of years (Adams, DCL, Walker, Maguire etc. being examples).

 

[Sean Thornton]

Didn't Birmingham just turn down loads more for Adams a year later? Rumours ranging from £5-10 million?

How much would DCL go for now?

£3mil for Walker looking good business?

£2mil for Maguire?

I understand there's a business need but throwing a blanket insult over supporters disappointed at losing players for £1-3million who subsequently go on to be worth much more (and the potential for that to happen is abundantly clear at the time of sale) is a bit cheap. It's not that clubs are queuing up to pay it at the time of sale, it's that you can see there is potential for them to kick on and be worth much more than they are being sold for at the time.

It's not about the disappointment it's about claiming a player was worth £5m when no one bid even a quarter of that. You know, the professionals.

Then and now though. Adams. Only Brum came in for him with an offer. If he was "cheap" at that time why did no one take a punt at £100 grand more? If the money can be spent on improving the team now, why risk "potential". Funnily enough it's only the board criticised because no one dare criticise Chris Wilder who most claim doesn't take any crap so presumably was all for the sale.

Ive seen Brooks valued at £25m on here.

Let's see how DCL fares under Koemans replacement. GLTTL but he's nowhere near the Star some are claiming to back up their argument, PL or not.


Jordan Slew?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Undersold I'll agree but we were in the second division at the time. Since then we went down, so our chances of keeping him would have been none existent. The increase in his value has come from playing in the Prem. Just supposing we'd kept him all this time, do you really think Citeh would have given us £50m.



As per KW. It is the Prem games that brought him to the eyes of Leicester and not his years with us in L2.



Some go on to be worth much more.

Some are Blackman / Slew.

Blackman was subsequently sold for more than double what we sold him for.

No I don't think City would have paid us £50 million. But nor do I think we'd have gone down (and we might well have gone up in which case, we could have been looking at big bucks). Realistically though, I think if we'd kept him for another season or so, we'd have probably got £8/9 million for him.

With Maguire. Yes. I take your point but the fact is he was far better than "£2million". The contractual situation didn't help. Personally, I thought the club should have held him to his contract knowing they'd get compensation for him if he did leave (and to make a stand for all future similar situations).

 

[Sean Thornton]

Didn't Birmingham just turn down loads more for Adams a year later? Rumours ranging from £5-10 million?

How much would DCL go for now?

£3mil for Walker looking good business?

£2mil for Maguire?

I understand there's a business need but throwing a blanket insult over supporters disappointed at losing players for £1-3million who subsequently go on to be worth much more (and the potential for that to happen is abundantly clear at the time of sale) is a bit cheap. It's not that clubs are queuing up to pay it at the time of sale, it's that you can see there is potential for them to kick on and be worth much more than they are being sold for at the time.

So the papers said. Nothing happened.

Who knows? He may not even get a game under Koemans replacement. What's your valuation of him?

Already commented.

Leadboots? Hindsights a wonderful thing. Plenty said he wasn't good enough. I thought the price was low but presumably other clubs didn't want to pay it. Something you seemingly find hard to accept.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

It's not about the disappointment it's about claiming a player was worth £5m when no one bid even a quarter of that. You know, the professionals.

Then and now though. Adams. Only Brum came in for him with an offer. If he was "cheap" at that time why did no one take a punt at £100 grand more? If the money can be spent on improving the team now, why risk "potential". Funnily enough it's only the board criticised because no one dare criticise Chris Wilder who most claim doesn't take any crap so presumably was all for the sale.

Ive seen Brooks valued at £25m on here.

Let's see how DCL fares under Koemans replacement. GLTTL but he's nowhere near the Star some are claiming to back up their argument, PL or not.


Jordan Slew?

I accept Slew.

I think it comes down to semantics. When fans talk about what a player is "worth". I think they mean "would I rather my club have this player or that amount of money?" When a player has huge potential then "worth" becomes a bit distorted because a lot of it is about how good they can become. It's the foreseeing of a situation where such a player's "worth" is significantly higher a year or two down the line.

For what it's worth, I'm not being hugely critical of the Adams and DCL sales. It was disappointing because of their potential but they weren't integral to our immediate needs whereas the funds generated were so we take that on the chin.

 

[blade too long]

Lets also not forget, in the minds of some fans:

Undisclosed = Free transfer

some blades think all the players we have signed undisclosed are around 50 k each , they reckon we are tight wads

 

[Sean Thornton]

Out of interest, if he were to be sold, at what price would you two deem it "good business"?

I don't subscribe to £25million (I think this is people's way of saying "not for sale unless you offer stupid money" not that he would actually command such a fee). If he were to be sold now (if the window were open), I think he'd probably be in the region of £10million. That said, I'd be disappointed because as I've touched on in another post, he might be worth a lot more than that in a couple of years (Adams, DCL, Walker, Maguire etc. being examples).

The market will tell us. £10m ? Like it did with all the others. PL clubs can gamble financially on potential, can we? If selling him enabled us to be promoted then it would be a good deal. As it stands, we really don't know what we've got with him though. That's the issue, not some PS4 valuation based on other players playing at a much higher level most weeks.
£25m , Martial comparison etc. It really is pie in the sky thinking unless the big four come in for him.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So the papers said. Nothing happened.

Who knows? He may not even get a game under Koemans replacement. What's your valuation of him?

Already commented.

Leadboots? Hindsights a wonderful thing. Plenty said he wasn't good enough. I thought the price was low but presumably other clubs didn't want to pay it. Something you seemingly find hard to accept.

Sky sports reported a £5.5 mil bid from Derby I believe. I heard talk of £10million offers but don't know if that was confirmed.

I still don't know how he'll do but I can pretty much guarantee that £10million wouldn't get him now.

Opinions will always differ on players. I imagine it's those that didn't call him leadboots and actually thought he was very good that are critical of the sale.

I absolutely accept it. I just think it's valid to be frustrated/ disappointed that we sell for whatever clubs are willing to pay when we're talking about players we supposedly don't want to sell. If we'd just said no, either a club would have had to come in with more or we'd have kept him for the remainder of his contract.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

The market will tell us. £10m ? Like it did with all the others. PL clubs can gamble financially on potential, can we? If selling him enabled us to be promoted then it would be a good deal. As it stands, we really don't know what we've got with him though. That's the issue, not some PS4 valuation based on other players playing at a much higher level most weeks.
£25m , Martial comparison etc. It really is pie in the sky thinking unless the big four come in for him.

But we're a championship club now. And he's impressing at that level. Not league 1. And we don't want to sell. If we were on our knees broke we would be under pressure to sell for less but we're led to believe that's not the case.

I agree the Martial comparison is pie in the sky. But is a Lookman comparison? Or an Oxlade Chamberlain comparison? (and look at how the market has exploded since those days). Or an Oliver Burke comparison?