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ancientblade said:
and also the most expensive seats in the stadium we need to cater more for our more less off fans kop is the cheapest seat in the stadium mind still too high on match day pricing for my liking £41 for cat a* is wrong imo
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Any improvements will be to be able to make more money not make the ground more comfortable
 

Berkshire Blade said:
South stand with corporate is where the money is. In the premier league doubling if not more our income in the loan seats would help!
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To create more hospitality / corporate space just build above the car park behind the South Stand (TC stand).

There's all that space not been used and wouldn't severely affect the car parking provision.

Just stand on Cherry Street and look down at the space towards the South Stand and fully appreciate the asset we possess and it's not earning its keep.

Make the assets sweat.
 
ghandi said:
Vorpal Blade who used to post on here before being banned, presented his plan (he's an architect) for the John St stand. McCabe referred him to his architects Vorpal's plan/drawings had the stand to wrap around both corners but hey ho guess who decided on the far inferior design of his architects.
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Difference in cost ?

McCabe was only a director when JSS was built not the chairman.
 
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ancientblade said:
probably right berkshire but it doesnt make it right 🤔
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Of course it's right.

Sheffield United are a business not a charity.
The new owners are cold business men....only willing to give us money because they think we'll be able to give them more money back.
Their thought will be in fans wants more comfort then how much extra can we charge them and will they pay it?

I've said it before I'd prefer a single billionaire owner because then at least their ownership might be ego drive,
more emotional where they lend us money because they love the club or love the attention the club is giving them.

Regards the stadium often thought we should follow the US and German model by offering more choice of pricing.
If the Kop is the worse part of the stadium that should be £20, where as th very best seats on the South stand should be £50 or £60.
For people with limited finances £20 is alot of money, so at least this gives them the chance togo.
For people with money £60 is loose change, so they'd pay it on South stand especially if they have access to their own bar/ refreshment area.
There are plenty of imaginative ways to make something more attractive at a higher price for people with money.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Of course it's right.

Sheffield United are a business not a charity.
The new owners are cold business men....only willing to give us money because they think we'll be able to give them more money back.
Their thought will be in fans wants more comfort then how much extra can we charge them and will they pay it?

I've said it before I'd prefer a single billionaire owner because then at least their ownership might be ego drive,
more emotional where they lend us money because they love the club or love the attention the club is giving them.

Regards the stadium often thought we should follow the US and German model by offering more choice of pricing.
If the Kop is the worse part of the stadium that should be £20, where as th very best seats on the South stand should be £50 or £60.
For people with limited finances £20 is alot of money, so at least this gives them the chance togo.
For people with money £60 is loose change, so they'd pay it on South stand especially if they have access to their own bar/ refreshment area.
There are plenty of imaginative ways to make something more attractive at a higher price for people with money.
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its not right charging our fans £41 to sit in the most uncomfortable and restricted view stand in the ground and were still charging our own fans £41 to sit behind a pillow how is that right ?
 
No new owner is going to come in and make any significant expenditure on the ground.
In fact , there is no guarantee that a new owner will make any significant investment in anything above that required to buy the club.
But if they do have any money left after their purchase , it will go on the new training ground or new players.
People can dream about new stands but the £return isn't there so it's not happening.
There are posters on here already complaining about ticket prices !
As for removing the kop pillars , forget it - we are stuck with that low-rake pile of muck covered in excruciating seats and obstructed by pillars with stone age bogs & catering open to the elements for a long time yet.
And I say that as a ST holder on the kop for many years , with sore knees and a tall bloke's head partially blocking my view.
Removing the pillars means a completely new roof structure upon which the new owners couldn't get a financial return.
And redeveloping the kop into a stand with a decent rake & knee-room is not only very expensive but would actually REDUCE its capacity.
We've made some terrible mistakes in developing the Lane , going all the way back to 1973 , and we are stuck with them now.
To start with , the whole lot should have been rotated 90 degrees or , if not , then shunted towards both Shoreham St & Cherry St , in order to give more room for bigger stands on John St & Bramall Lane.
The footprints of the latter two have severely restricted development on those two sides.
The kop should have been shunted backwards and given a much steeper rake when the concrete was poured but it was done on the cheap despite grant-assistance. The corners could have been curved round to join SS & John St in a much better way. Better catering would have paid dividends for 3 decades by now.
With more room at the Lane end , the terracing under the BLUT could have run downwards from the front of the BLUT and been much bigger when it got covered in seats.
Even if the shunting towards Cherry Street had not been done before the SS was built , the pitch could have been moved closer to the SS , giving space on the other side to make the new John St stand much bigger - 7k is a very small capacity for a side stand.
Same applies to the 8k capacity SS which ought to at least have matched the 10k in the much older NS at the sty.
Taken together, these missed opportunities would have put at least 5k on the total and the 10k folk on the kop would be in comfort with a better view.
So imo the impracticalities & relative expense of extending piecemeal bits means we are stuck.
But I love the place and if we ever left it could well sever my relationship with the club ... I've gone there since 1968.
However , when viewed dispassionately , a move to a new ground is the only alternative to the status quo.
Those plans and CGI pictures drawn up by McCabe when the fool thought we might be chosen as a World Cup ground ahead of the sty (as if 😆) ... were a flight of fantasy.
I wish they would stop circulating because they are a pipe-dream.
 
ghandi said:
Vorpal Blade who used to post on here before being banned, presented his plan (he's an architect) for the John St stand. McCabe referred him to his architects Vorpal's plan/drawings had the stand to wrap around both corners but hey ho guess who decided on the far inferior design of his architects.
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Question still stands, how much extra would the 'superior' version have cost over the built version ?

People go to the Lane primarily to be entertained by the football, not the architecture.
 
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Tom Bott said:
Question still stands, how much extra would the 'superior' version have cost over the built version ?

People go to the Lane primarily to be entertained by the football, not the architecture.
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Given the wedge was added later at a cost I would suspect not much more.
 

Keen Blade said:
No new owner is going to come in and make any significant expenditure on the ground.
In fact , there is no guarantee that a new owner will make any significant investment in anything above that required to buy the club.
But if they do have any money left after their purchase , it will go on the new training ground or new players.
People can dream about new stands but the £return isn't there so it's not happening.
There are posters on here already complaining about ticket prices !
As for removing the kop pillars , forget it - we are stuck with that low-rake pile of muck covered in excruciating seats and obstructed by pillars with stone age bogs & catering open to the elements for a long time yet.
And I say that as a ST holder on the kop for many years , with sore knees and a tall bloke's head partially blocking my view.
Removing the pillars means a completely new roof structure upon which the new owners couldn't get a financial return.
And redeveloping the kop into a stand with a decent rake & knee-room is not only very expensive but would actually REDUCE its capacity.
We've made some terrible mistakes in developing the Lane , going all the way back to 1973 , and we are stuck with them now.
To start with , the whole lot should have been rotated 90 degrees or , if not , then shunted towards both Shoreham St & Cherry St , in order to give more room for bigger stands on John St & Bramall Lane.
The footprints of the latter two have severely restricted development on those two sides.
The kop should have been shunted backwards and given a much steeper rake when the concrete was poured but it was done on the cheap despite grant-assistance. The corners could have been curved round to join SS & John St in a much better way. Better catering would have paid dividends for 3 decades by now.
With more room at the Lane end , the terracing under the BLUT could have run downwards from the front of the BLUT and been much bigger when it got covered in seats.
Even if the shunting towards Cherry Street had not been done before the SS was built , the pitch could have been moved closer to the SS , giving space on the other side to make the new John St stand much bigger - 7k is a very small capacity for a side stand.
Same applies to the 8k capacity SS which ought to at least have matched the 10k in the much older NS at the sty.
Taken together, these missed opportunities would have put at least 5k on the total and the 10k folk on the kop would be in comfort with a better view.
So imo the impracticalities & relative expense of extending piecemeal bits means we are stuck.
But I love the place and if we ever left it could well sever my relationship with the club ... I've gone there since 1968.
However , when viewed dispassionately , a move to a new ground is the only alternative to the status quo.
Those plans and CGI pictures drawn up by McCabe when the fool thought we might be chosen as a World Cup ground ahead of the sty (as if 😆) ... were a flight of fantasy.
I wish they would stop circulating because they are a pipe-dream.
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Totally agreed, realistically it’s in the £100 million + mark if we wanted to do some of the improvements
 
Keen Blade said:
No new owner is going to come in and make any significant expenditure on the ground.
In fact , there is no guarantee that a new owner will make any significant investment in anything above that required to buy the club.
But if they do have any money left after their purchase , it will go on the new training ground or new players.
People can dream about new stands but the £return isn't there so it's not happening.
There are posters on here already complaining about ticket prices !
As for removing the kop pillars , forget it - we are stuck with that low-rake pile of muck covered in excruciating seats and obstructed by pillars with stone age bogs & catering open to the elements for a long time yet.
And I say that as a ST holder on the kop for many years , with sore knees and a tall bloke's head partially blocking my view.
Removing the pillars means a completely new roof structure upon which the new owners couldn't get a financial return.
And redeveloping the kop into a stand with a decent rake & knee-room is not only very expensive but would actually REDUCE its capacity.
We've made some terrible mistakes in developing the Lane , going all the way back to 1973 , and we are stuck with them now.
To start with , the whole lot should have been rotated 90 degrees or , if not , then shunted towards both Shoreham St & Cherry St , in order to give more room for bigger stands on John St & Bramall Lane.
The footprints of the latter two have severely restricted development on those two sides.
The kop should have been shunted backwards and given a much steeper rake when the concrete was poured but it was done on the cheap despite grant-assistance. The corners could have been curved round to join SS & John St in a much better way. Better catering would have paid dividends for 3 decades by now.
With more room at the Lane end , the terracing under the BLUT could have run downwards from the front of the BLUT and been much bigger when it got covered in seats.
Even if the shunting towards Cherry Street had not been done before the SS was built , the pitch could have been moved closer to the SS , giving space on the other side to make the new John St stand much bigger - 7k is a very small capacity for a side stand.
Same applies to the 8k capacity SS which ought to at least have matched the 10k in the much older NS at the sty.
Taken together, these missed opportunities would have put at least 5k on the total and the 10k folk on the kop would be in comfort with a better view.
So imo the impracticalities & relative expense of extending piecemeal bits means we are stuck.
But I love the place and if we ever left it could well sever my relationship with the club ... I've gone there since 1968.
However , when viewed dispassionately , a move to a new ground is the only alternative to the status quo.
Those plans and CGI pictures drawn up by McCabe when the fool thought we might be chosen as a World Cup ground ahead of the sty (as if 😆) ... were a flight of fantasy.
I wish they would stop circulating because they are a pipe-dream.
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You're right, no sensible businessman would do much with the Lane right now. We don't particularly need more capacity unless we establish ourselves in the Premier League, which is impossible without owners that can fund it (if the new takeover brings that possibility, then fair enough we might need a few extra thousand seats pretty soon). We definitely don't need a steeper kop that seats fewer people, that would just be daft.

I will say though, that removing the pillars on the kop doesn't necessarily mean no return for the owners. The previous plans add a lot of capacity and also brings the toilets and catering facilities indoors, which would all be an opportunity for more revenue.

Also, as a side note, there is actually room within the John Street footprint to have a much larger side stand, but it would mean sacrificing some hospitality areas, which again probably wouldn't be a great business move unless they can be housed elsewhere.
 
why are people so obsessed with spending money on expanding a stadium we are not actually selling out in current form ? Why are we talking about spending money on ground developments /new kop etc When surely we need to spend any spare money on the actual team to get us in to a position where people would come and fill the stadium IF we sustained premier league status but last thing we need is more empty seats isint it ? Seems straightforward to me which way round we need to do things
 
Keen Blade said:
No new owner is going to come in and make any significant expenditure on the ground.
In fact , there is no guarantee that a new owner will make any significant investment in anything above that required to buy the club.
But if they do have any money left after their purchase , it will go on the new training ground or new players.
People can dream about new stands but the £return isn't there so it's not happening.
There are posters on here already complaining about ticket prices !
As for removing the kop pillars , forget it - we are stuck with that low-rake pile of muck covered in excruciating seats and obstructed by pillars with stone age bogs & catering open to the elements for a long time yet.
And I say that as a ST holder on the kop for many years , with sore knees and a tall bloke's head partially blocking my view.
Removing the pillars means a completely new roof structure upon which the new owners couldn't get a financial return.
And redeveloping the kop into a stand with a decent rake & knee-room is not only very expensive but would actually REDUCE its capacity.
We've made some terrible mistakes in developing the Lane , going all the way back to 1973 , and we are stuck with them now.
To start with , the whole lot should have been rotated 90 degrees or , if not , then shunted towards both Shoreham St & Cherry St , in order to give more room for bigger stands on John St & Bramall Lane.
The footprints of the latter two have severely restricted development on those two sides.
The kop should have been shunted backwards and given a much steeper rake when the concrete was poured but it was done on the cheap despite grant-assistance. The corners could have been curved round to join SS & John St in a much better way. Better catering would have paid dividends for 3 decades by now.
With more room at the Lane end , the terracing under the BLUT could have run downwards from the front of the BLUT and been much bigger when it got covered in seats.
Even if the shunting towards Cherry Street had not been done before the SS was built , the pitch could have been moved closer to the SS , giving space on the other side to make the new John St stand much bigger - 7k is a very small capacity for a side stand.
Same applies to the 8k capacity SS which ought to at least have matched the 10k in the much older NS at the sty.
Taken together, these missed opportunities would have put at least 5k on the total and the 10k folk on the kop would be in comfort with a better view.
So imo the impracticalities & relative expense of extending piecemeal bits means we are stuck.
But I love the place and if we ever left it could well sever my relationship with the club ... I've gone there since 1968.
However , when viewed dispassionately , a move to a new ground is the only alternative to the status quo.
Those plans and CGI pictures drawn up by McCabe when the fool thought we might be chosen as a World Cup ground ahead of the sty (as if 😆) ... were a flight of fantasy.
I wish they would stop circulating because they are a pipe-dream.
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Brilliant 👍
 
SRA76 said:
why are people so obsessed with spending money on expanding a stadium we are not actually selling out in current form ? Why are we talking about spending money on ground developments /new kop etc When surely we need to spend any spare money on the actual team to get us in to a position where people would come and fill the stadium IF we sustained premier league status but last thing we need is more empty seats isint it ? Seems straightforward to me which way round we need to do things
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I think it's more about making the ground better in terms of facilities and corporate revenue, both of which are currently fairly limited. You do have to keep investing in these things, otherwise you end up with an S6 situation where lack of investment has led to sections of the ground being unusable. I agree that just adding numbers for the sake of it is probably unnecessary, but if, as part of facilities and corporate improvements, you can add numbers, then it probably makes sense.
 
PrestwichBlade said:
I think it's more about making the ground better in terms of facilities and corporate revenue, both of which are currently fairly limited. You do have to keep investing in these things, otherwise you end up with an S6 situation where lack of investment has led to sections of the ground being unusable. I agree that just adding numbers for the sake of it is probably unnecessary, but if, as part of facilities and corporate improvements, you can add numbers, then it probably makes sense.
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Yes. True. That’s all correct and normal to keep progressing but the ground expansion debate is ridiculous untill we A. Sustain premier league football for more than a season and .B actually fill the seats we currently have. Mind boggles
 
Nick Jansky said:
expect decent facilities and a degree of comfort for the high price of a ticket.
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Would that have made last season more 'enjoyable' ?

" we lost eight nil but it was a really nice pint at half time and the seat was really comfortable"
 
Have to be more creative with how you get corporate spaces in, its not all boxes on the side stands. The new Anfield Road development at Liverpool, the first say 10 or so rows are all given across to corporate seats (anyone seen a half time there -that area is empty whilst the rest is scattered with 'normal' punters). So if Utd got back in Prem and wanted more corporate seats to generate money a lot of BLUT could go in that direction or the Westfield Corner. You then just need to find a space suitable to feed and drink such clientele - no idea what there is spare in and around the SS or JSS. Using Liverpool as and example again they have revamped pubs close to the ground that do corporate entertaining and then at 2:30 everyone is walked across into the ground.

Tbh though, i dont see the demand for Utd yet in this sense. Got to get up and get established which is no small feat. Cant see anything major happening with the ground for a few years, as a poster earlier said there's little return for new owners on that.

We dont know how the purchase is being financed, is it an outright purchase, is the club buying itself from PA (ala glazers at Man U), could be a combination of many things

Lets not forget that we cant sell all our seats anyway! So its all a bit futile. Plus, the way of world, is there a younger generation coming through that actually want to access football via a stadium, or will they prefer to access via phones / screens. Sheff Hallam is struggling as a Uni so less far eastern students in the city than pre covid, so there's a market going there. The biggest clubs have so many 'tourist' attendees (ive done this myself many times) that they can fill grounds but not sure that the teams that finish 12th - bottom need much more than they have really
 
Tom Bott said:
Would that have made last season more 'enjoyable' ?

" we lost eight nil but it was a really nice pint at half time and the seat was really comfortable"
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I’m in the South Stand so I’m perfectly happy. But I moved from the kop & wouldn’t sit on it again as it currently is because it is a squalid experience.
 

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