Soton (H) - An improvement despite the result

[Inter_blade83]

An improvement, but not much to shout about because Southampton weren't great by any stretch, and much of our best stuff was reliant on Tom Davies, who will be injured again next week

The foundations are reappearing but we are lacklustre in key areas at key times

The key will be keeping him fit, and have getting Arblaster back, which will see a solid midfield with Hamer and Ohare to compliment them.

 

[Rodley]

For me the big positive was the progressive passing - moving it forward quicker and at a better tempo. I was encouraged to see Peck play his part in that and obviously Davies did really well. It makes a huge difference.

As people have posted, Arblaster would help massively with that. If we can get up to midtable, which is doable based on the improvement of the last two games, then his return and a physical striker at Christmas will make a huge difference. It remains wide open.

 

[Rodley]

What did you expect one of the wilder boys to say

This feels like another “Bedwetters” label again. I suspect there’ll be a bit of humble pie eaten again if we continue to improve.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Has to do better, but one time tonight he got some space between 2 defenders pointing at the ground for O'Hare to give him the ball on the edge of the box, and O'Hare just ignores him and played it out wide instead.

If he gets that ball played through to him, he's ready to move away from his defender into the box for a shot at goal, but no one gives it to him, so we don't get a good chance on goal.

Granted he has to improve, but if that's Ings or Campbell calling for a through ball like that, we'd have been crying out for O'Hare to play it to them, so by default O'Hare should play that ball to Cannon.

Maybe O’Hare lacks confidence in Cannon?

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Think The Pinch summarise it as well as many. Thought we looked a lot better myself and matched a very decent side. Cut out the individual error on the corner and we could have got at least a point there.

Ref was fucking atrocious. We play like that again we win more than we lose. Onwards. UTB











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Agree with all that

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Was the best game of the season and we deserved a point I thought.
Soton played well. Solid team, played some nice football and scored two good goals. They won a lot of 50/50 balls in midfield and are strong in the air.
Blades were unlucky on a number of out-of-his-depth ref calls as mentioned on multiple threads that could have swung the game our way.
Overall, was a big improvement over earlier games (low bar) but we still lose too many aerial battles at both ends of the pitch, and still a bit toothless up front.
Tom Davies had an excellent game. Hope he can stay fit.
For once I thought Cannon did ok when he came on (low bar).

We have no aerial presence in midfield or up top since Moore & Souzas departure , last night second half they pressed our defenders a lot quicker , the result being we hit longer balls quicker but they were meat & drink for their 2 centre backs

 

[Inter_blade83]

Maybe O’Hare lacks confidence in Cannon?

We all do

 

[Whitby-Blade]

Came away last night really positive, we’ve got some identity back. Thought it was an very good all round performance bar a couple of individual errors and the most inept reffing performance in a long while.

Cooper still doesn’t look himself, I’m nervous when the ball is passed to his feet.

Tom Davies was outstanding, god l hope he stays fit for a run of games.

Thought the defence looks so much better with the 3 centre backs. McGuinness bare being rolled for the 2nd goal was nowhere near as bad as some are making out.

Seems like I’m the only one who thought Peck was much better than previous, thought Davies helped him.

Give the O’Hare / Gus partnership time, think we need to get the wingbacks higher more often to help create options and space.

Great finish from Campbell, shame he didn’t finish the clear chance in the 2nd half, fine margins. Anyone else think he’s carrying a few extra pounds, his movement looks laboured.

Thought Burrows was much improved defensively and Benny looked good on the right.

Despite the refs best attempt to piss me off the drive back to Whitby was a lot more enjoyable than previously this season.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

One of our best performances of the season. We have been that bad that people can't accept that fact but it sadly was!

Unfortunately anyone thinking any new manager would overnight fix the absolute disgrace of a summer is not based in reality.

 

[Railway Blade]

I thought we were a lot better today. Davies was a massive help.

Still have concerns about Gus, Burrows and Cooper as they are all playing way below the levels they have set themselves previously but on the whole it was a more cohesive performance.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

The thing re: Cannon and the Peck ‘goal’ is any half decent striker from Sunday league up will be side on or have their back to the goalie, blocking him off as Billy Sharp used to do for us effectively.

Cannon is inexplicably facing him with his arms around him.

 

[I should coco]

Do you think bringing Cannon on is a positive step for a team needing a goal?

What do you think he brings in that situation?

Do you think you are seeing something that the rest of us aren’t?

He's a goalscorer and we needed a goal, so yes.

He's a poacher, which is never attractive on the eye, nor does he run around a lot like say BBD. When he's not scoring, he obviously doeasn't bring much, in a similar way to Keith Edwards, or Billy Sharp under Robson/Blackwell. I am most definitely NOT saying he is the new Edwards/Sharp, but as an out and out goal scorer, his game will never look particularly good.

Of course I'm not seeing something that other people aren't, and I don't flatter myself as being a particularly perceptive reader of the game. What I would say, is the scapegoat section, have made their minds up, and don't want to see anything the lad might do. I accept that plenty of people don't want to make a scapegoat of him and don't see much either, although a chunk of them just use Canon as a stick to beat with Wilder with.

The lad will come good. Maybe not with us, but he will score goals somehwere. In retrospect, he shouldn't always be automatic first sub, and CW does need to try something else.

I still don't see Ings as any kind of long term solution. You defended his injury record when we signed him, and yet, he has missed most of September due to......er.....injury.

One is young and raw and deserves more game time, but putting the pressure on such a raw young lad when you are losing, won't necessarily help his development.

 

[Tom Bott]

How he gets in the squad makes no sense and how he got on ahead of Ings is beyond mindboggling.

Maybe because Ings is coming back from injury.

Just a hunch.

 

[I should coco]

One decent flick on. What you’d expect tbh. He’s shown next to nothing yet keeps getting chance after chance. Not sure what the situation is with Ings fitness but he put in far more than Cannon in less time. I don’t give a monkeys who made the final decision to sign him anymore but l’d like to know what CW and his staff see in him this season that makes them think he could change a game.

I agree it would be interesting to know whether Cannon looks brilliant in training, or whether it is just Wilder being stubborn and wanting to 'prove' his eye for a player.

As I said above, we don't have a lot of other options (more COH/Selles abysmal decision making), but if we do put Cannon on, he needs service. He didn't get that last night.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Maybe O’Hare lacks confidence in Cannon?

Then he should be bollocked for it. It’s not O’Hare’s job to pick the team. Instead, his job is to use the ball to maximum positive effect for the team, and playing Cannon through in that instance was the clear and obvious thing to do.
Schoolboy footballers look to pass the ball to their mates. O’Hare needs to be better than that.

 

[Railway Blade]

I agree it would be interesting to know whether Cannon looks brilliant in training, or whether it is just Wilder being stubborn and wanting to 'prove' his eye for a player.

As I said above, we don't have a lot of other options (more COH/Selles abysmal decision making), but if we do put Cannon on, he needs service. He didn't get that last night.

I spoke to a relative of one of the players prior to the Charlton game. The impression I got is that perhaps Cannon doesn't look brilliant in training either.

 

[AWetFlannel]

He's a goalscorer and we needed a goal, so yes.

He's a poacher, which is never attractive on the eye, nor does he run around a lot like say BBD. When he's not scoring, he obviously doeasn't bring much, in a similar way to Keith Edwards, or Billy Sharp under Robson/Blackwell. I am most definitely NOT saying he is the new Edwards/Sharp, but as an out and out goal scorer, his game will never look particularly good.

Of course I'm not seeing something that other people aren't, and I don't flatter myself as being a particularly perceptive reader of the game. What I would say, is the scapegoat section, have made their minds up, and don't want to see anything the lad might do. I accept that plenty of people don't want to make a scapegoat of him and don't see much either, although a chunk of them just use Canon as a stick to beat with Wilder with.

The lad will come good. Maybe not with us, but he will score goals somehwere. In retrospect, he shouldn't always be automatic first sub, and CW does need to try something else.

I still don't see Ings as any kind of long term solution. You defended his injury record when we signed him, and yet, he has missed most of September due to......er.....injury.

One is young and raw and deserves more game time, but putting the pressure on such a raw young lad when you are losing, won't necessarily help his development.

No point in wasting your time, once people have scapegoated someone they watch them like a hawk every minute they're on, complaining loudly every time they do something "wrong", like lose an 80/20 with a 6'5 centre half.

He's scored plenty of goals at this level before, he's scored and created goals for us, he's not playing very well at the moment. We've invested in him, so should obviously keep trying to get him back in form.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

No point in wasting your time, once people have scapegoated someone they watch them like a hawk every minute they're on, complaining loudly every time they do something "wrong", like lose an 80/20 with a 6'5 centre half.

He's scored plenty of goals at this level before, he's scored and created goals for us, he's not playing very well at the moment. We've invested in him, so should obviously keep trying to get him back in form.

You're denying the evidence of your own eyes.
He's not quick, not skillful, weak, doesn't press effectively and just ghosts every time he's on the pitch.
Other young strikers at the club must be very disappointed they're not getting opportunities instead.

 

[AWetFlannel]

You're denying the evidence of your own eyes.
He's not quick, not skillful, weak, doesn't press effectively and just ghosts every time he's on the pitch.
Other young strikers at the club must be very disappointed they're not getting opportunities instead.

I never said he was quick, skillful or strong, I said he'd scored plenty of goals at this level.

Other strikers at the club aren't fit. I assume you know this, but then choose to forget it when talking about Cannon.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I never said he was quick, skillful or strong, I said he'd scored plenty of goals at this level.

Other strikers at the club aren't fit. I assume you know this, but then choose to forget it when talking about Cannon.

Ings was fit enough to come on. Thinking about Cannons poor performances this season, would you have not thought about putting Ings on first? It was there to see he quickly became far more involved.

Is One injured?

 

[AWetFlannel]

Ings was fit enough to come on. Thinking about Cannons poor performances this season, would you have not thought about putting Ings on first? It was there to see he quickly became far more involved.

Is One injured?

Ings was put on early by Selles, got injured and is only just back fit again, which would make me reluctant to give him too many minutes until he is back up to speed, particularly given his age and injury record.

I assume One is match fit and don't think it's unreasonable for fans to want him to be given a go instead of Cannon. However, One is a kid without much experience and pedigree in senior football, never mind at Championship level. Cannon has done it multiple times and has been seen as valuable by those at PNE, Leicester, Stoke and now us.

 

[Danetheblade]

Ings was put on early by Selles, got injured and is only just back fit again, which would make me reluctant to give him too many minutes until he is back up to speed, particularly given his age and injury record.

I assume One is match fit and don't think it's unreasonable for fans to want him to be given a go instead of Cannon. However, One is a kid without much experience and pedigree in senior football, never mind at Championship level. Cannon has done it multiple times and has been seen as valuable by those at PNE, Leicester, Stoke and now us.

Cannon has done what? What has he done exactly?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Ings was put on early by Selles, got injured and is only just back fit again, which would make me reluctant to give him too many minutes until he is back up to speed, particularly given his age and injury record.

I assume One is match fit and don't think it's unreasonable for fans to want him to be given a go instead of Cannon. However, One is a kid without much experience and pedigree in senior football, never mind at Championship level. Cannon has done it multiple times and has been seen as valuable by those at PNE, Leicester, Stoke and now us.

Brewster and McBurnie were well thought of by their previous clubs. Cannon currently doesn’t even look like achieving even what they did. It’s in our interest that he comes good but little up to now suggests that may happen.

One looked better on his last sub appearance.

Ings came on at 83mins, you’d hope he was fit enough for 7 mins plus added time, otherwise why include him. It just looks like someone is trying to justify Cannons place.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Cannon has done what? What has he done exactly?

Scored goals and played well in the Championship.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Cannon has done what? What has he done exactly?

1 goal and 1 assist in his time with us, is what he's done...

 

[Danetheblade]

Scored goals and played well in the Championship.

When? At stoke? He scored 9 goals total. Four in a single game. Of which outside of that game. One were from open play.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Brewster and McBurnie were well thought of by their previous clubs. Cannon currently doesn’t even look like achieving even what they did. It’s in our interest that he comes good but little up to now suggests that may happen.

One looked better on his last sub appearance.

Ings came on at 83mins, you’d hope he was fit enough for 7 mins plus added time, otherwise why include him. It just looks like someone is trying to justify Cannons place.

Brewster was well thought of, but hadn't played much senior football and then got a string of awful injuries. Mcburnie is clearly a very good player at this level as he's proving again at Hull. Cannon might be a flop for us, but due to his record he'll get picked up by a midtable Championship team and probably do well again.

I agree about One, think he's a real talent and wouldn't mind him getting some games.

If Ings is half the player he was a few years ago, once he's fit he'll start ahead of Campbell. Cannon will eventually get pushed down the pecking order, but given his competition at the moment are injured, unfit or unproven, I can see why he gets minutes.

 

[AWetFlannel]

When? At stoke? He scored 9 goals total. Four in a single game. Of which outside of that game. One were from open play.

Yeah, scoring nine goals in half a season is better than the majority of strikers manage at this level. He also scored eight in twenty games at PNE. That makes him a proven goalscorer at this level.

He hasn't played well for us, sometimes it doesn't work at a club for whatever reason, or he may come good. We've all seen players play shit for us and then look good elsewhere.

 

[BangorBlade]

Cannon needs dropping .....end of !!
But what ever formation we play at the back and midfield we need to be playing 2 up top

 

[Danetheblade]

Yeah, scoring nine goals in half a season is better than the majority of strikers manage at this level. He also scored eight in twenty games at PNE. That makes him a proven goalscorer at this level.

He hasn't played well for us, sometimes it doesn't work at a club for whatever reason, or he may come good. We've all seen players play shit for us and then look good elsewhere.

Do you think he’ll score eight in twenty here? Or maybe it were a purple patch?