Sorry Sander but I don’t mind if you leave

[Frank the tank]

Played twice a week since coming back from a long term injury

Maybe its not that he's not trying

 

[Maurice Maurice]

And that's all you've got? Great comment on his input yesterday

 

[Stevo]

Some of these posts are an embarrassment.

Berges play style looks he’s not trying, when it’s clicking for him and the team it looks like he’s a class above, gliding past players without making an effort.

When it isn’t clicking he looks like he can’t be bothered.

That’s his style.

Some of our fans also need to wake up to the intricacies of professional athleticism, and the impact of serious injuries players.

He’s also scored 3 in the past few games, how many has Norwood scored in multiple more? Or Fleck? Or Hourihane? Or Ndiaye?

Personally I believe he’s one of our better players but isn’t the type to carry a whole team, same as MGW. Yes he has off days, so does MGW and Sharp, and all the others who are seemingly immune to criticism because they don’t have an associated price tag that someone else has chosen to pay for them.

He a luxury we can ill afford and his style is just not suited to the championship

 

[Drunk blade]

He had a bad game yesterday but he's improved a lot recently however he's nowhere near a £20m player. Been watching the Rotherham game this afternoon and Ben Wiles at Rotherham looks a far better all round midfielder than Berge, I'd be tempted to have a cheeky bid for him in the summer.

Let's be honest berge, mcburnie and brewster have been disastrous signings for the money and if we could get an offer of even half the money back on any of them we should take it.

 

[Champagneblade]

he barely got within 50 yards of our strikers, one of whom is possibly the best player in the league (MGW played up front). Comparing his Middlesbrough performance to today is like comparing vinnie Jones to Billy Whitehouse as hard men.

I'd love to see the stats of ground covered by our midfielders.

I bet you'd have a read and think "is that it?"

When was the last lung bursting run you saw from anyone who played CM?

 

[Chingo]

And that's all you've got? Great comment on his input yesterday

Never said he played well yesterday did I ?

He can’t do it on his own !!!

 

[Bladey_blade]

And that's all you've got? Great comment on his input yesterday

I think it's because you proved him right pointing to the price tag and wages as to why he should play like Messi

 

[Houston_Blade]

I'd love to see the stats of ground covered by our midfielders.

I bet you'd have a read and think "is that it?"

When was the last lung bursting run you saw from anyone who played CM?

I’ll give Norwood some credit here, he looks like his lungs are going to burst every time an opposition midfielder strides past him (Boro game being the exception).

 

[Maurice Maurice]

I think it's because you proved him right pointing to the price tag and wages as to why he should play like Messi

You'd have been better going with or something similar as your post didn't say anything.

 

[RecordBreakers]

If you don't see sanders class then your brain dead when it comes to football, he's easily our best player and yes better than MGW 2 different players but I know who will be playing at a better level next season. Granted he doesn't show it enough but fuck me he cost the same as mcuseless and is 20x the player he will ever be. The lad will play for a top European club in the next 3 years no doubt about it, we won't get promotion so I'd sell him but I'd be sad to see him go because we won't have players of his calibre again anytime soon

 

[Snowflake]

Fkin idiots

Who ? United for signing him, Stoke for marking him or posters who think he has quality, but is not using it enough ?
Or just everyone ?

 

[Tezza1889]

Fuck me this thread is absolutely clapping us back to league one.

Sorry but you've inadvertently got the right answer..

Prepare to say farewell to a few of your heroes..

 

[gordoncharles]

The lad will play for a top European club in the next 3 years no doubt about it,"

Could you define "top European club" for me, please?

I would have replied a little earlier but I've only just been able to pick myself up off the floor.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Kid is obviously jaded and needs taking out for his (and our) own good. I was surprised to see him play for Norway, that seemed an obvious opportunity to give him a breather. He'll probably end up injured.

 

[Sheff de party]

If you don't see sanders class then your brain dead when it comes to football, he's easily our best player and yes better than MGW 2 different players but I know who will be playing at a better level next season. Granted he doesn't show it enough but fuck me he cost the same as mcuseless and is 20x the player he will ever be. The lad will play for a top European club in the next 3 years no doubt about it, we won't get promotion so I'd sell him but I'd be sad to see him go because we won't have players of his calibre again anytime soon

If you can’t see that no one is doubting his talent, then you must either be unable to read or unable to understand people’s points.

There’s a clear theme - he has the talent and is ineffective. That’s the frustration.

If he was either very effective, or very limited, he wouldn’t be in for such criticism.

If he’s our best player, and he may be, his performances are unacceptable.

Top club - he is dreaming if he thinks that’s happening on current form.

 

[ormester]

I’m just fed up of watching Berge I’m afraid. Yes he’s a very talented lad and no, it’s not all his fault.

But I’m sick to death of watching the most talented player we own drift through games playing sideways passes. He is capable of such incredible quality but he just will not, or cannot, do it regularly.

It may sound harsh but when you’re one of our top earners and best players, the standards have to be higher. He just doesn’t look interested. Please just cash in on a bad experiment in the summer, I’m fed up of watching him take for granted a skill set that the fans, and many of his teammates, would kill for.

And don’t give me any of this hogwash about needing to “play with better players”. Look at the difference in enthusiasm and trying to make things happen between him and Gibbs-White.

Berge is dreaming if he thinks he will play for a top team in this country. He cannot head or tackle either.

Shut up fool what utter tripe

 

[ormester]

We have some clueless fans seriously

 

[Sheff de party]

Shut up fool what utter tripe

If you can’t even craft an argument, particularly when it’s contrary to the vast majority on this thread, it’s you that looks like a fool.

Look at Deadbat’s report, which seems widely respected on here. Says exactly what I’m saying.

 

[Drunk blade]

I think he be more suited to the Italian league with slow possession based build up play, could see him at a lower mid table serie a team, sampdoria, calgari that type of club

 

[Greenblades]

So you’d be happy for a 20 million pound player to just try and “hit the channels”? If thats all you want then you’re right Berge is a waste, much better off with average journeyman footballers who we can pick up for next to nowt.

Christ some fans are going to be over the moon when we’re back to shite kick and rush football.

i would expect an International footballer to try something. Hitting the channels for a runner is not kick and rush if it’s a pass.
At Stoke he went backwards almost 90% of the time.

Let me ask you this then. In the last 4 away games would you say our star midfielder ran the game?

I don’t think at any point I said let’s kick and rush so let’s drop that by the way and stick with the facts.

Like almost everyone else at Stoke he was crap. I do expect more from him yes. I think we all should.

Gibbs White makes a difference. He tries things. Sander I’m afraid is a % footballer.

 

[Greenblades]

Understood.

But if you were designing your own player, how much emphasis, in the modern game, do you put on “bust a gut” against how much you place on technical ability ?

An abundance of both is ideal but those players are out of our reach financially.

So where would you compromise in a club who’s DNA is now firmly entrenched in a possession based style of play from U16s to the first team squad ?

It’s a bit of an idealised analogy I’m using but the point is made nonetheless.

The game has moved on. Crunching tackles and blasts up and down the wings are, largely, a thing of the past. Not saying that’s right btw but tis what it is.

The blood and thunder game that a high percentage of our fans crave won’t be coming to a cinema near you anytime soon.

Sorry to disappoint !

UTB

Any chance of a high press, track your man and put some effort game coming to a cinema near us? He doesn’t do that either.
? That is the modern game is it not?

 

[alcoblade]

i would expect an International footballer to try something. Hitting the channels for a runner is not kick and rush if it’s a pass.
At Stoke he went backwards almost 90% of the time.

Let me ask you this then. In the last 4 away games would you say our star midfielder ran the game?

I don’t think at any point I said let’s kick and rush so let’s drop that by the way and stick with the facts.

Like almost everyone else at Stoke he was crap. I do expect more from him yes. I think we all should.

Gibbs White makes a difference. He tries things. Sander I’m afraid is a % footballer.

And lets put "international footballer" into perspective - It's Norway, the last time I looked ranked 15 places below Wales, where RND is also an international footballer - yet only making our team through injuries.

 

[BettingBlade]

i would expect an International footballer to try something. Hitting the channels for a runner is not kick and rush if it’s a pass.
At Stoke he went backwards almost 90% of the time.

Let me ask you this then. In the last 4 away games would you say our star midfielder ran the game?

I don’t think at any point I said let’s kick and rush so let’s drop that by the way and stick with the facts.

Like almost everyone else at Stoke he was crap. I do expect more from him yes. I think we all should.

Gibbs White makes a difference. He tries things. Sander I’m afraid is a % footballer.

Fleck and Norwood have both played international football, so presumably you would have no problem singling them out as well?

We can all ask questions that are specifically designed to suit our point. You’ve obviously singled out 4 away games where the entire team have been fucking abysmal but for some absurd reason you expect Berge to carry the entire team on his shoulders.

You only want to expect more from him because of his price tag, which he has no control over whatsoever. If you’ve got the face on about how much value for money we’re getting, then thats down to Wilder for valuing him at that price. I expect more from the whole team not just Berge. He’s being made a scapegoat because of his price tag and people expecting him to be fucking Lionel Messi. Who incidentally would probably look fucking pony in our side too btw.

Gibbs-White is another who was fucking shite on Saturday but we dont have pages and pages of how shit he is.

 

[Bell4]

I thinks it’s a myth that we want blood and thunder now. Everyone gets that it’s gone from the English game.


But every football fan I know what’s a high tempo, and they know how and where goals are scored. Berge is guilty of stroking it around in low risk areas and doing the easy things - to build an attack someone has to penetrate. He seems to have the ability to do that, but rarely uses it. That’s what frustrates so many.

This

 

[Bell4]

I have to say I am a big fan of Sanders, he is clearly a very talented player, but if we take yesterdays game in isolation it was clear to me that he was asked to play much deeper than normally. We all know when he is further up he goes past people for fun & has a lot more impact on games, but the fact he didn't even attempt a single run tells me he was told to hold & not do it. No idea why, for me he just doesn't influence the game from there & he & Norwood often occupy the same space & get in each others way, it just stifles all his creativity. Maybe the plan was to bring him back from his injury slowly & not play every game, but we are so thin on the ground player wise that is not an option right now, but he needs to be playing further forward to utilise his undoubted qualities.

If that is true then you would seriously have to question Hecky brain

 

[Sheff de party]

Fleck and Norwood have both played international football, so presumably you would have no problem singling them out as well?

We can all ask questions that are specifically designed to suit our point. You’ve obviously singled out 4 away games where the entire team have been fucking abysmal but for some absurd reason you expect Berge to carry the entire team on his shoulders.

You only want to expect more from him because of his price tag, which he has no control over whatsoever. If you’ve got the face on about how much value for money we’re getting, then thats down to Wilder for valuing him at that price. I expect more from the whole team not just Berge. He’s being made a scapegoat because of his price tag and people expecting him to be fucking Lionel Messi. Who incidentally would probably look fucking pony in our side too btw.

Gibbs-White is another who was fucking shite on Saturday but we dont have pages and pages of how shit he is.

I expect more from him but he’s probably the most talented player in the team. It’s that simple.

Gibbs-White delivers more and more often than Berge. He also always looks interested, including Saturday. Berge doesn’t.

I’m not expecting Berge to carry the team but it’s perfectly possible to look good when we’re not playing well. He’s just not bothered.

 

[BettingBlade]

I expect more from him but he’s probably the most talented player in the team. It’s that simple.

Gibbs-White delivers more and more often than Berge. He also always looks interested, including Saturday. Berge doesn’t.

I’m not expecting Berge to carry the team but it’s perfectly possible to look good when we’re not playing well. He’s just not bothered.

The move couldnt have gone any worse tbf. Not only for us but him on a personal level. I honestly don’t know how much of the off the field stuff has affected him over the last 2 and a bit years but I can see where the frustrations come from.

He seems to look much better when we’re playing on the front foot so it’s no coincidence that he looks better at home. Away, like the rest of the squad, we look lethargic and pedestrian a lot of the time and tbh, I’ve seen us play large spells of games like that at home too.

Whether it’s a fitness issue or a cba attitude, I dont know, but he certainly isn’t the only one who plays like this. Every time I see us play, I cant help thinking that the whole squad has been conditioned really poorly this season especially when you couple that with all the injuries.

 

[Greenblades]

Fleck and Norwood have both played international football, so presumably you would have no problem singling them out as well?

We can all ask questions that are specifically designed to suit our point. You’ve obviously singled out 4 away games where the entire team have been fucking abysmal but for some absurd reason you expect Berge to carry the entire team on his shoulders.

You only want to expect more from him because of his price tag, which he has no control over whatsoever. If you’ve got the face on about how much value for money we’re getting, then thats down to Wilder for valuing him at that price. I expect more from the whole team not just Berge. He’s being made a scapegoat because of his price tag and people expecting him to be fucking Lionel Messi. Who incidentally would probably look fucking pony in our side too btw.

Gibbs-White is another who was fucking shite on Saturday but we dont have pages and pages of how shit he is.

Let’s get this right. I said they were all rubbish.

I also said he doesn’t do enough. He doesn’t for whatever reason.

Norwood and Fleck were also garbage on Saturday. However Berge was / is meant to be our future is he not ?

What was he signed for? To add quality and make us better.

Has he really done that? Has he?

I would love for him to be fantastic and a game changer. He just hasn’t impressed me enough. Occasionally yes but not enough.

Norwood and Fleck have some history and been good servants. Some fantastic memories and yes both rubbish on Saturday just in case you missed it.
My Sander Berge greatest hits DVD is pretty short.

If you think he’s fantastic then good on ya !

All about opinions and we are not going to agree on this one clearly.

 

[Alan Birchenall's hair]

Some people think he will command a £30m from Italy fee when he leaves. Some think we will be lucky to get a couple of washers and buttons from Stocksbridge Park Steels when he leaves. But one thing is for sure. Not many will give a flying fuck when he does eventually go.......