Sordell

[LJBlade]

Yes, I'm basing my opinion on the photo and having the exact same thing done to me on several occasions. Sordell is nowhere near the ball, it's not a poor attempt at blocking a shot it's a good case of leaving one on him, whilst disguising it as a poor attempt to block the shot.

Explain to me why Sordells foot is about 8" above where the ball ever was and his foot is square on to Coutts shin, and not side on heading toward the ball ?? Do you honestly believe a professional footballer 'misjudged' the position of the ball by such a huge margin?

As for Jake Wright or anyone else, if I thought they done something similar I'd say so. I am not under the illusion that Utd players aren't up to the same tricks, it just so happens that on this occasion there has been catastrophic consequences for probably our most valuable player and I don't believe it was an unfortunate collision.

So, can you answer my questions?

So you’ve not actually seen the video of the incident and you’re basing all of your opinions on that one photograph?

All of the things that you’ve mentioned do not prove intent to injure. It happened that quickly (if you actually watch the video) there’s no chance for Sordell to even consider where his foot is going to be in relation to Coutts’ shin. It was a very poor tackle but there’s no evidence of intent to injure

 

[Esablade]

No we’ll have to agree that you’re talking bollocks because nothing on the video you’ve posted proves that he intended to ‘land one on him’. It’s probably the worst video you could have posted for the point you’re trying to prove because it shows absolutely nothing, you can’t even see the players in question.

What does ‘where’s he’s run from’ prove? What does how far he’s run prove? Would you not want a United player to show similar desire to get a block in? The position on him and the ball on the photo are no evidence at all in terms of proving that he intended to ‘land one on him’ so you can leave that out.

I’m just as upset as everyone else about the incident on Friday night but making shit up will not make it any better.

Thanks for telling me what I think.

I’ve explained why I think this several times, you disagree...and seem upset that I think this,why’s that?

I can only guess that your ‘psi powers’ tell you what Sordell was thinking also.

 

[Bladepicker]

none of our players tried to claim for one, either

They did. Sharp and a couple of others near appealed and questioned the ref when the ball was cleared.

 

[Liverpool blade]

I've said on a previous thread that sordell is slow, has very little skill and has the turning ability of a HGV. He's just a donkey who should be playing in the lower leagues. Utb

 

[Esablade]

So you’ve not actually seen the video of the incident and you’re basing all of your opinions on that one photograph?

All of the things that you’ve mentioned do not prove intent to injure. It happened that quickly (if you actually watch the video) there’s no chance for Sordell to even consider where his foot is going to be in relation to Coutts’ shin. It was a very poor tackle but there’s no evidence of intent to injure

No one is saying it was a pre-meditated plan to assault Coutts, that’s why managers and Clough say stuff like ‘he hasn’t got it in him’

Quite clearly he has.

I’ve just watched the Ch5 video a few times which only confirms my belief....look at where the ball is, where Coutts is and the shape of Sordells leg as he ‘goes for the ball’ ...Sordell isn’t watching the ball as he goes in is he?

I think you’re being naive to think a player going in like that with the studs raised above the knee, a raking down into a ‘leg-locked’ motion has no idea what they are doing.

All about opinions.

 

[LJBlade]

No one is saying it was a pre-meditated plan to assault Coutts, that’s why managers and Clough say stuff like ‘he hasn’t got it in him’

Quite clearly he has.

I’ve just watched the Ch5 video a few times which only confirms my belief....look at where the ball is, where Coutts is and the shape of Sordells leg as he ‘goes for the ball’ ...Sordell isn’t watching the ball as he goes in is he?

I think you’re being naive to think a player going in like that with the studs raised above the knee, a raking down into a ‘leg-locked’ motion has no idea what they are doing.

All about opinions.

So you’ve now seen a video other than the one that you originally posted? Hopefully that has given you a better view. As per my original argument though, the video you posted proves nothing as you can’t even see the players in question.

Even on the better footage there’s no evidence of intent to ‘leave one on him’ as you’ve suggested, no matter how bad of a tackle it is.

 

[Esablade]

So you’ve now seen a video other than the one that you originally posted? Hopefully that has given you a better view. As per my original argument though, the video you posted proves nothing as you can’t even see the players in question.

Even on the better footage there’s no evidence of intent to ‘leave one on him’ as you’ve suggested, no matter how bad of a tackle it is.

I'm guessing reading isn't your strong point as you missed: 'I’ve just watched the Ch5 video a few times which only confirms my belief'.
I'd suggest you watch it back a few times on a larger screen than you phone....the guy isn't even looking at the ball.

As I said, we'll have to agree to differ.

 

[1889]

Lol

Thank you.............I rest my case

 

[1889]

It happened that quickly (if you actually watch the video) there’s no chance for Sordell to even consider where his foot is going to be in relation to Coutts’ shin.

I can't believe you've even said that, but if that is your genuinely held belief, there seems little point in discussing the subject any further.

Ignorance is bliss and all that

 

[nopigfansintown]

I watched the match and paused and rewound the incident numerous times. My conclusion is that Sordell never intended to play the ball.It seems to me that he wasn't even looking at it. This left the possibility that he could seriously injure the opponent, although I cannot claim that he intended to break his leg.I've played rugby and football to a fairly high level, and would never leave my leg in that position. Far too dangerous.

 

[spongebobblade]

They did. Sharp and a couple of others near appealed and questioned the ref when the ball was cleared.

Correct.
While Coutts was receiving treatment both Sharp and Duffy went over angrily to the fourth official and motioned how they thought Sordell had put his foot in

 

[Davalon]

I really think some of you need to calm down.

I've just come back from my son's under 12 game and watched numerous similar challenges.

It's misfortune for Coutts but you see worse more premeditated challenges most weeks.

It's a shame more can't accept it like Wilder has.

It's all hypocrisy anyway because if Sharp had done the same as Sordell most of the same people would be finding an excuse for him.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

I watched the match and paused and rewound the incident numerous times. My conclusion is that Sordell never intended to play the ball.It seems to me that he wasn't even looking at it. This left the possibility that he could seriously injure the opponent, although I cannot claim that he intended to break his leg.I've played rugby and football to a fairly high level, and would never leave my leg in that position. Far too dangerous.

Looked like an intimidatory block on Coutts`s leg rather than an attempt to get in front and block the ball. However, a forward in that position is always likely to be a poor tackler. Intent to injure ? Probably not. Foul and penalty ? Definitely yes.

 

[LJBlade]

I can't believe you've even said that, but if that is your genuinely held belief, there seems little point in discussing the subject any further.

Ignorance is bliss and all that

But you’re commenting on something you’ve not actually seen and you’re the one who can’t believe what I’ve said?

 

[LJBlade]

I'm guessing reading isn't your strong point as you missed: 'I’ve just watched the Ch5 video a few times which only confirms my belief'.
I'd suggest you watch it back a few times on a larger screen than you phone....the guy isn't even looking at the ball.

As I said, we'll have to agree to differ.

But you’re changing the argument. You based your opinion on the video you posted. I said that particular video doesn’t prove anything as you can’t even see the players on it.

 

[northsomersetblade]

I dont suppose for one minute that he meant to break Coutt's leg but it was still a piss poor challenge by a piss poor footballer

 

[Pollingtonblade]

I really think some of you need to calm down.

I've just come back from my son's under 12 game and watched numerous similar challenges.

It's misfortune for Coutts but you see worse more premeditated challenges most weeks.

It's a shame more can't accept it like Wilder has.

It's all hypocrisy anyway because if Sharp had done the same as Sordell most of the same people would be finding an excuse for him.

To right, don’t think we can take the moral high ground given what Chris Morgan did to Ian Hulme.

 

[LJBlade]

I dont suppose for one minute that he meant to break Coutt's leg but it was still a piss poor challenge by a piss poor footballer

This exactly

 

[JohnDenver]

A really poor challenge but at that level every player is supposed to fly in to block shots. Even clumsy lumps like Sordell. Most of the time the consequences aren't like this.

When I play I don't go in for a lot of challenges because I just don't know if I'm getting the ball first. A professional should know that but Sordell didn't have a clue - he just felt obliged to stick a foot in.

 

[Esablade]

But you’re changing the argument. You based your opinion on the video you posted. I said that particular video doesn’t prove anything as you can’t even see the players on it.

I take it you’ve watched the Ch5 video and taken my comments on board?
I’m not ‘changing the argument’ at all, quite the reverse.

The video I posted was the first video I saw ( apart from live on the stream) and that is where I formed my initial opinion...which is why I posted it.

The Ch5 video only goes to back up my initial thoughts and the photo confirms what I think.

Thta’s how I see it, you see it differently, fair enough...I can’t comment on why you think that way but I’m not disputing that you do.

P.S- I can see Sordell quite clearly run across to Coutts, the impact is obscured on the initial video, I’ll give you that, but the photo backs up my thoughts as to the angle he ran at Coutts and not the ball.

 

[Pinchy]

I take it you’ve watched the Ch5 video and taken my comments on board?
I’m not ‘changing the argument’ at all, quite the reverse.

The video I posted was the first video I saw ( apart from live on the stream) and that is where I formed my initial opinion...which is why I posted it.

The Ch5 video only goes to back up my initial thoughts and the photo confirms what I think.

Thta’s how I see it, you see it differently, fair enough...I can’t comment on why you think that way but I’m not disputing that you do.

P.S- I can see Sordell quite clearly run across to Coutts, the impact is obscured on the initial video, I’ll give you that, but the photo backs up my thoughts as to the angle he ran at Coutts and not the ball.

Perhaps he’ll explain himself, though it’s already a bit late for that...

 

[Esablade]

- he just felt obliged to stick a foot in.

Exactly this.

Anyone who’s played even a bit of footie knows that if they go in like Sordell did, there’s a chance someone will get hurt...

 

[Harrisblade]

Exactly this.

Anyone who’s played even a bit of footie knows that if they go in like Sordell did, there’s a chance someone will get hurt...

And it won't be you

 

[Fanny magnet]

Just before kick off i was talking to a mate of mine who is a Huddersfield fan
He said that Burton kicked them up and down the park twice last season injuring several of their players
It might have clouded my judgement but watching the game I saw them leaving the foot in a lot and indeed agreed with my mate that they are dirty bastards

I didn't really see the Coutts incident but it didn't surprise me one of our lads got stretchered off

Don't remember our team of midgets being particularly dirty when clough was in charge though

 

[1889]

But you’re commenting on something you’ve not actually seen and you’re the one who can’t believe what I’ve said?

I've seen the video, but the still image shows exactly what happened in respect of the contact, that in the video is over in a blink of the eye.

I would equate it to one of those CCTV videos where it looks like someone is being punched, but when it is slowed down to a still image, it becomes apparent that the assailant is holding a knife and is actually stabbing the victim.

A still image or slow motion CCTV shows exactly what happens, I've never heard the pundits on Match of the Day say 'Well he appears to have caught him there, but If we could view it speeded up, that might make it clearer?' Have you

 

[Keen Blade]

To right, don’t think we can take the moral high ground given what Chris Morgan did to Ian Hulme.

What about what that Wigan CF did to Morgs in the Prem ? !

 

[LSF]

Seen footage now....
Player makes genuine attempt to block a possible goal bound shot, foot and shooters leg collide, sadly resulting in worst outcome.
100% of players would attempt that block in same circumstances.
I know I would.
Sad accident. Sadder it's our key player.

 

[bornablade]

Just before kick off i was talking to a mate of mine who is a Huddersfield fan
He said that Burton kicked them up and down the park twice last season injuring several of their players
It might have clouded my judgement but watching the game I saw them leaving the foot in a lot and indeed agreed with my mate that they are dirty bastards

I didn't really see the Coutts incident but it didn't surprise me one of our lads got stretchered off

Don't remember our team of midgets being particularly dirty when clough was in charge though

I think it was just before half time their player Warnock caught Leon quite badly. He came off worse but still got a yellow card. Towards the end of the match Fleck was limping and rubbing his thigh.

Burton were very aggressive and listening to their fans it seems that's what they want to see.

 

[Champagneblade]

If the ruling body looks at it, I’m not sure how you can conclude it’s not a reckless, late challenge.
He’d be ouxky to escape a ban.

That taken into account it’s quite staggering the ref didn’t give a penalty unless he’d stopped watching that bit of the field one the ball started traveling.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

If the ruling body looks at it, I’m not sure how you can conclude it’s not a reckless, late challenge.
He’d be ouxky to escape a ban.

That taken into account it’s quite staggering the ref didn’t give a penalty unless he’d stopped watching that bit of the field one the ball started traveling.

I’m hoping to get ouxky tonight...