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gordoncharles said:
Pearson took over at Watford when they had 8 points from 15 games, a better situation than we're currently in, and with a far more talented squad than we've got. And still failed.

I don't know why names keep getting suggested because none of them will be able to do significantly better. We need Europa League form for the rest of the season just to stand a chance of staying up.
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to be fair, and we will never know, i think had he not been sacked he would have kept them up
he also steadied the ship at Leicester pre Ranieri and some credit him with building the squad that went on to win the league

however nothing is a given, and who knows if a new manager would save us from relegation

as always happy to be challenged Gordon, but could you please offer a solution, as well as poo pooing my thoughts
 
Wilder has, on a few occasions faced up to challenging circumstances and come out with a solution.
This is the biggest challenge yet and is taking longer to solve, it may take more than a season to solve.
But based on his history of overcoming such difficulties, I hope he continues to manage our team.
 
Chris the Blade said:
If Wilder stays, we go down. Period. We've then got to service a loan on the stadium with vastly reduced income. The idea that we'll definitely come straight back up is very optimistic. We should be doing everything to stay up. Not dwelling on past glories. It's patently obvious the players are no longer playing for Wilder. He's needs to go today, get Big Sam in, organise the team and start challenging again. With Brewster, Mousset and others revitalised, we can still do this. Leave it another month and its too late.
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We are already down, there is no way in hell anyone will turn this around, Wilder, Howe, Allardyce Guardiola.......no-one.

Use January to clear out the deadwood for a major re-build in the summer and go again.

Is CW the man to lead us back up again.....? Not sure to be perfectly honest, not sure he's got enough in his locker if Plan A doesn't work and i seriously question his and the backroom teams recruitment
 
Chris the Blade said:
If Wilder stays, we go down. Period. We've then got to service a loan on the stadium with vastly reduced income. The idea that we'll definitely come straight back up is very optimistic. We should be doing everything to stay up. Not dwelling on past glories. It's patently obvious the players are no longer playing for Wilder. He's needs to go today, get Big Sam in, organise the team and start challenging again. With Brewster, Mousset and others revitalised, we can still do this. Leave it another month and its too late.
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Big Sam. 😅😊😂👀😢🤑🏀
 
Chris the Blade said:
If Wilder stays, we go down. Period. We've then got to service a loan on the stadium with vastly reduced income. The idea that we'll definitely come straight back up is very optimistic. We should be doing everything to stay up. Not dwelling on past glories. It's patently obvious the players are no longer playing for Wilder. He's needs to go today, get Big Sam in, organise the team and start challenging again. With Brewster, Mousset and others revitalised, we can still do this. Leave it another month and its too late.
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So your answer is get a manager in who has not managed to get a job for last 2 years?
 
Chris the Blade said:
If Wilder stays, we go down. Period. We've then got to service a loan on the stadium with vastly reduced income. The idea that we'll definitely come straight back up is very optimistic. We should be doing everything to stay up. Not dwelling on past glories. It's patently obvious the players are no longer playing for Wilder. He's needs to go today, get Big Sam in, organise the team and start challenging again. With Brewster, Mousset and others revitalised, we can still do this. Leave it another month and its too late.
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Thanks for the opportunity to IOP.

Hey Wendy fan. You are now on ignore.

Ignore a pig. It’s the way forward.

We will finish this season 17th with Chris Wilder leading us onwards.

Enjoy Pulisball in League One.
 
Wilders going nowere. HRH said after the game Sunday, he is his man and has his support. The only time CW would leave is if he resigns. If that happens I would expect Van Winkle would be brought in to steady the ship.
 
I'm not calling for CW to be replaced with Big Sam, but I think Big Sam deserves a bit more credit than some are giving him. His work at Bolton plus his success rate at keeping multiple sides up is not to be sniffed at.

I dont think the players have lost faith in CW but they know the system is not working. We just havent got the players to fill the hole left by JOC. The players are not that daft, they can see that for themselves. CW really needs to try something else otherwise they will start to question whether he has got the ability to adapt, keep us up etc.
 
Robboblade1889 said:
Oh give it a rest ffs! It’s a genuine question why is it when you look at the most vociferous wilder out posters have they only been posting during the bad spell?
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Either our current predicament has provoked otherwise quiet fans to post?
Or it’s a coincidence
Or, in fact, some are pigs.
 
Pedro Verde said:
Football has moved on since 2005 unless you hadnt noticed especially the PL
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I agree that football moves on. It moved on from last season, so the fact we finished 9th then is irrelevant to our current predicament.
 



FMBlade1 said:
I agree that football moves on. It moved on from last season, so the fact we finished 9th then is irrelevant to our current predicament.
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So are you saying if a manager has a poor run he should be sacked every time. So if the new manager comes in and say loses 8 or 9 games he gets sacked?
Nobody is dumbing down the poor form the team are in and not playing well but surely previous seasons and successes have to come into it? Surely the fact we shouldn’t be anywhere near the PL must come into it? Surely the man who single handily got us into this position should be given the opportunity to get us back?
Or is it back on the managerial merry go round? Taking punts on has been managers who play a style of football that makes your eyes bleed?
 
Robboblade1889 said:
So are you saying if a manager has a poor run he should be sacked every time. So if the new manager comes in and say loses 8 or 9 games he gets sacked?
Nobody is dumbing down the poor form the team are in and not playing well but surely previous seasons and successes have to come into it? Surely the fact we shouldn’t be anywhere near the PL must come into it? Surely the man who single handily got us into this position should be given the opportunity to get us back?
Or is it back on the managerial merry go round? Taking punts on has been managers who play a style of football that makes your eyes bleed?
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Nope. He should be sacked if it's apparent it's best for the club. Like Ranieri when he was sacked by Leicester, just a year after winning the league and establishing himself as the ultimate club legend.

This isn't the 'Make a wish for a Blade Foundation' , this is a business, a ruthless one at that. Those who aren't ruthless in changing get left behind.

Wilder is failing to change, which is worrying.

The only argument to keep him is that he knows the club and has got us playing well in the championship before. As I said in the other thread, keeping Wilder means accepting relegation from the PL.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Nope. He should be sacked if it's apparent it's best for the club. Like Ranieri when he was sacked by Leicester, just a year after winning the league and establishing himself as the ultimate club legend.

This isn't the 'Make a wish for a Blade Foundation' , this is a business, a ruthless one at that. Those who aren't ruthless in changing get left behind.

Wilder is failing to change, which is worrying.

The only argument to keep him is that he knows the club and has got us playing well in the championship before. As I said in the other thread, keeping Wilder means accepting relegation from the PL.
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What about those people who think him being sacked isn’t best for the club? You and a few others may think this but most of us think what’s best for the club is to keep the manager we have! The argument to keep him is he has brought unparalleled success to this club playing a style of football we haven’t seen before! I would take his 4 years more into account than the last 6 months!
 
I'm curly-tailed, but I always post fairly. A lot of what got the club into the PL, and what gave the club such a great season last time, was team spirit. That, and the great management skills of Wilder. But there was always going to be a problem, because the playing staff had to be improved, yet togetherness had also to be maintained. I think a club can retain team spirit if the players coming in are obviously much better than those which are already there; the old guard then accept that the newcomers are on higher wages, and in any case it's to their advantage also that better players have joined the club. What players don't accept is that newcomers who're no better than them earn more, and that probably explains the drop in the team's verve. It's unlikely that anyone else could get more out of this squad of players than Wilder, and to make a change now would like as not make no difference. But there's always tomorrow in sport, and United don't want to waste the legacy of its promotion. We've no way of knowing what will happen between now and the end of the season, so it's best IMO to hang fire. If a change is made now, and things don't improve and the club goes down, then the incumbent would be damaged goods in the Championship, as Wilder will be if he's still at the club. The best course of action would be make a change at the end of this season so a line can be drawn under it.
 
He got us playing well in the premier league as well better than any manager has done before him! Why are people suddenly saying “oh we were actually shit last season as well”. That’s a complete load of tosh up to lockdown we were pretty much superb every week!
 
FMBlade1 said:
I agree that football moves on. It moved on from last season, so the fact we finished 9th then is irrelevant to our current predicament.
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Why bring Allardyce saving Sunderland from relegation 15 years ago into the discussion
It happened that long ago its irrelevant, last season isnt as our bad form started towards the end of last season
Its like saying if we do get relegated lets get Warnock back hes good at getting promoted from the Championship he did it for us in 2006
 
Robboblade1889 said:
What about those people who think him being sacked isn’t best for the club? You and a few others may think this but most of us think what’s best for the club is to keep the manager we have! The argument to keep him is he has brought unparalleled success to this club playing a style of football we haven’t seen before! I would take his 4 years more into account than the last 6 months!
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Oh you're entitled to your opinion and I respect that, indeed I narrowly hold that opinion myself because he knows the football club and has a good track record in the championship.

However he deserves a major telling off from the powers that be in his performance management review.
 
Pedro Verde said:
Why bring Allardyce saving Sunderland from relegation 15 years ago into the discussion
It happened that long ago its irrelevant, last season isnt as our bad form started towards the end of last season
Its like saying if we do get relegated lets get Warnock back hes good at getting promoted from the Championship he did it for us in 2006
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As you mention Warnock, Wilder reminds me of him in terms of his wasteful PL signings.

Allardyce kept Sunderland up in 2016, so only 4 years ago.

Then he kept Crystal Palace up in 2017, so only 3 years ago.

Then he kept Everton up in 2018, so only 2 years ago.

You think he's lost it since then?
 
FMBlade1 said:
As you mention Warnock, Wilder reminds me of him in terms of his wasteful PL signings.

Allardyce kept Sunderland up in 2016, so only 4 years ago.

Then he kept Crystal Palace up in 2017, so only 3 years ago.

Then he kept Everton up in 2018, so only 2 years ago.

You think he's lost it since then?
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The mad rush to employ him since 2018 possibly gives you a clue...
 
The talk of Wilder out people are forgetting one thing. If we cant afford PL wages for players no way are we going to afford PL wages for a PL Manager. I bet Wilder is one of the lowest paid Managers in the PL if not the lowest. Its a waste of time at the moment saying Wilder out.
 
Tarqs said:
Whilst I'm not in the Sam Allardyce camp, I find this a strange opinion considering he has made a career doing exactly this.
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We were all laughing when Wednesday appointed football dinosaur Tony Pulis as their manager. Allardyce is brother chip. However, I will concede that he has a 100% success rate as England manager😀
 
georgebernardshaw said:
The mad rush to employ him since 2018 possibly gives you a clue...
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Because he left Everton in bad circumstances. Hardly relevant, they are a different kettle of fish.

How many jobs since then have come up for lower league Prem clubs? Or did he suddenly turn to **** when the clock changed to 2019?
 
FMBlade1 said:
Because he left Everton in bad circumstances. Hardly relevant, they are a different kettle of fish.

How many jobs since then have come up for lower league Prem clubs? Or did he suddenly turn to **** when the clock changed to 2019?
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Maybe those PL clubs showed more loyalty
 



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