So... What needs to change?

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I know most of you are going to answer with a simple "ROBSON OUT", but the board/chairman have made it clear that he's here for the season, so I'd rather concentrate on some alternatives.

Now, speaking of the last couple of games, yes they haven't been classics, but what is the main issue behind us failing to win either of them? Bad finishing.

The players who've been guilty of missing the easiest of these chances? James Beattie, Rob Hulse, Jon Stead, Chris Armstrong

Now, we all know that none of these players are normally particularly woeful at sticking away chances.

James Beattie is the leagues top scorer, has a history of lethal finishing and you wouldn't normally nominate anyone better to take a penalty than him. Yet he has one saved, when normally by the time the keeper has reacted (even if he goes the right way) its nestling in the back of the net. Was it a good save? a lucky break for the keeper? or a bad penalty?

Rob Hulse is usually calm, collected and a cracking finisher from inside the box. No matter how rusty he is, you'd expect him to fire the ball into the back of the net with a chance from 6 yards out.

Jon Stead is another player who is usually calm in such situations. Last season you can guarentee after beating a defender, going one on one with the keeper he'd have cooly curled the ball into the bottom corner. Instead he can't make his mind up whether to shoot or cross and ends up coming nowhere near scoring.

Chris Armstrong ended up missing 3/4 sitters against Blackpool. Whilst he isn't renowned for his goalscoring/finishing whenever he's been in the position before he's rarely let us down.

Common denominators in all these and from our performances?

No, not tactics. Not having 11 men back for corners... but a lack of composure, lack of self belief and a lack of concentration. Three things normally closely associated with low confidence/being scared to make mistakes. We know these players have been good enough in the past, even at a higher level. When normally completely able players miss the number of chances we have missed of late, its more than clear we have a confidence issue.

Now we could say that it is the management responsibility to sort this out, but what more can the management do on this side? The manager has publicly praised Beattie, Hulse, Stead and Armstrong. You could argue that he's shown faith in their abilities: paying so much for Beattie and him playing nearly every minute, praising Hulse and maintaining he has a big part to play at the lane whilst bringing him back quickly, kept Stead around the first team (albeit often on the bench) infront of £2million lads Billy Sharp & Luton Shelton at times.

They do badly need a couple of goals to boost them, but for that to happen they either need a stroke of luck or some sort of addressing of these issues. So how's that going to happen?

One tactic sure not to work is groaning/booing when they miss a chance and getting on their backs. A similar unhelpful tactic is for the fans to single out one of them as a favourite and only chant their name or boo when they are switched. What must the strikers on the pitch think when the fans are singing about Billy Sharp on the bench who is yet to score a goal/have a proper chance? It's hardly gonna boost their confidence that the fans have decided they aren't good enough and we should bring on Billy.

Whilst I always think strikers more than most players suffer when they are struggling for confidence, its blatently clear that the team as a whole are also suffering the same fate.

How can it possibly help in the slightest to boo the players/abuse the manager DURING the game? or boo them off the pitch at half time?
Many would say that paying customers have a right to voice their opinion on matters, but surely if you are there to support your team, doing what is most likely to help the Blades win is the best way to go about things?

You only boo the manager? how do you suppose the players differenciate who you are getting at? who are the people who's performances are getting Robson booed?

Yes its the managers ultimate responsibility to get results, yes paying customers have the right to air their views, yes the players get paid plenty of money to take the abuse.... But aren't we supposed to be supporters of the club? Fair enough that doesn't mean blindly praising and clapping away at any old dross served up... But in my eyes, as a supporter I'd like to think its about doing my utmost to help the team achieve their ultimate goal.

In the past, being a blade has been in a big way about being able to laugh at ourselves, have a good laugh no matter what sort of performance and more than all... to get behind the team... whether you like the manager, certain players, whatever... These days its more and more someone miscontrolls one ball on a crappy pitch and they are instantly berated, called every name under the sun and more often than not their family insulted.

I've heard a good few people pre-match saying they hope we get battered, with the excuse that it'll be better off in the long run because we'll shorten the managers reign.... Well i'm sorry, but personally, I can never ever say I hope we'll lose a game. In my opinion stating such a thing is putting your own dislike for one man at our club before your actual support of the team. Fair enough with a change of manager in the long run we could be better off, but why not hope (however futile) that this match could be the one we turn it around and WE batter the opposition?

Why can't we all be UNITED in getting behind the team and trying to lift the players? Yes we are all frustrated, we may not like or agree with certain people or systems, but whats up with trying to help and distract the players from the pressure they are under?
If the players can play without fear and/or feel like they have 20k+ blades behind them rather than waiting to jump on their backs, surely we'll see an vast improvement?

The manager, despite his failings, has identified the problems we are having.... he's pleaded for support as the players are low on confidence, he's attempting to address the midfield issues. Whether he's good enough to pull it off, whether he's the right man for the job is another matter... But surely the best way to do our part is to make any team playing the blades cope with a difficult atmosphere rather than playing into the opposition and opposition fans hands.

If you want the manager out, fair enough, but AFTER the match away from the players is the way to do it. Write to the club, complain in the carpark, do whatever, but don't make things harder for the team.

I'm not professing my opinions are right, nor am I attacking the people who participate in the practices I disagree with. I know i'm preaching to many that these points don't apply to on here, but its a good vent of my football related tension :)

Theres far more wrong than the atmosphere and the reaction of the fans, but its the only part we as fans can control.

Hopefully the new year will bring a new blades team.... not so much in terms of personell, but in the way in which we play and the results we gain. I think the manager has already made a positive signing in Gary Speed, bringing a leader on the pitch and a good addition to the coaching side of things. He's managed to curb the number of goals we were conceeding and although we still make stupid defensive errors, we generally aren't getting battered. I'm not convinced he's the right man to be our manager, but I certainly hope he works magic transfers wise and turns things around... because he certainly isn't going to leave this season.

None of that probably makes sense and i've probably not got my points across very well/missed loads, but you've got to have an illness and night nurse induced rant every now and again haven't you? :D
 



"How can it possibly help in the slightest to boo the players/abuse the manager DURING the game? or boo them off the pitch at half time?
Many would say that paying customers have a right to voice their opinion on matters, but surely if you are there to support your team, doing what is most likely to help the Blades win is the best way to go about things?

You only boo the manager? how do you suppose the players differenciate who you are getting at? who are the people who's performances are getting Robson booed?"

I dont beleive you could have put it any better, have not booed the players, nor robbson for that matter, however i do agree that he should go. The team passion needs to be higher, they need to actually learn to play together, we are lacking communication too. We have class players but together, they are no better than gretna.

But you hit the nail on the head there, i give nothin but support for the blades, i am a pating customer and i have the right to voice my opinions, and i will do so by cheering the team on, boos aint gunna help em is it
 
It must be frustrating for any manager or player to get booed for the slightest mistake. There are three idiots who sit near me, and are constantly on the player's backs. The chief protagonist can be relied upon to scream and shout at the first mistake, and it's not the sort of shouting you'd like to let your kids listen to.

I can understand fans becoming frustrated, but surely less than five minutes into the match is being just a little over critical.
And it's always the same kind of crap too. Player misses a shot? Shout some abuse. Player doesn't time a tackle very well? Yell and scream. Fifty yard pass not inch-perfect? Call them all rude names. Even the tactical awareness of these pillocks takes some getting used to. Key phrases are "get into them" and "stand", but how the hell are players supposed to tackle and not tackle at the same time is beyond me.
These three idiots never seem to sing, cheer or applaud. It must be a tremendous disappointment for them if we win.
If the team is such a constant source of misery then why do these people, and others like them, bother to come to matches? There is a clue in what you are supposed to do at matches in the word supporter.

I know the many will come up with the view that you pay your money, you can say what you want, but to be permanently in a state of anger, attacking everything the team do, can't be much fun on a saturday afternoon. And the gobbiest of these three blokes was exactly the same when Warnock was in charge.

So what could do with changing for a start is the attitude of some fans.

Please take this as it's meant. It's not a personal attack on anybody. I certainly didn't want Robson as manager, and I would be happy to see him go. I can't see there being a decent replacement out there who would come now, so I think we should at least give him our support until the end of the season. McCabe is highly unlikely to sack Robson, and McCabe has done very well for our club since he took charge. We could try to show some faith too.
 
There were positives on Saturday, Kenny was Ok, Killa outstanding, Stead played well and I could go on, what was really missing was any team ethos, its no use having a bunch og gifted individuals in a team game like football.

Add to that woeful finishing by a striker back from a 9 month injury and who really needed more time, then the best side on the day should have won. Palace had one strike on goal.

For me Mr Robsons big failing is...... he doesnt seem to be able to create that team ethos like his predecessor. If we dont play as a team then he has no future at the club.

As for getting behind the team etc, I think the crowd have been patient and are now long suffering. It is expensive to go to football and all the more upsetting to see people who are being paid more in a week than some earn in a year perform consistantly so poorly without any apparent responsibility.

I will give Mr Robson the transfer window to see what happens but, as ever as a Blade, I am not overly optomisitic.
 
"Fifty yard pass not inch-perfect? Call them all rude names"
They get rude names shouted at them because hoofing the ball 50 yards upfront is back to warnock style stuff. Its simple pass and move. pass it out wide hit the flanks, put pressure on there defence.

Foxy's just been on a big tripe at the support from the fans. they havent been like that all season the fans so how come they have been shit all the time. 1 game is ipswitch where we have played well, so blaming it on the crowd really is a half excuse, the crowd got behind the team against colchester and we were served up a poor performance.

So much can be put on the crowd recently but not all season.

The players are playing as if they dont know each other, In training get em passing the ball to each other, shouting out the names of who there passing too. work on the basics passing and moving. If there low on moral, take em paintballing or go karting. get them together and bond as a team. we need a leader on the field, to lift the players when we go down and get them to calm it down, hopefully speed can provide this.
 
Foxy's just been on a big tripe at the support from the fans. they havent been like that all season the fans so how come they have been shit all the time. 1 game is ipswitch where we have played well, so blaming it on the crowd really is a half excuse, the crowd got behind the team against colchester and we were served up a poor performance.

So much can be put on the crowd recently but not all season.

I'm not tying all fans into my assessment.... but there certainly have been a well vocal section venomously against them ALL season. As I said before, there were sections at Worksop, sections over in Ireland etc etc...
How about booing at Watford away? 2nd league game into the reign of the new manager?

Of course it isn't the fans fault, the players and the manager are paid to do their jobs to the best of their ability. All I'm saying is, whats wrong with doing our part and actually trying to help them rather than hindering them?

Its not an excuse in the slightest, there is no excuse, i'm just making the point that as a whole the fans aren't helping at the moment and haven't really helped all season in my opinion. It's one of the only things we can do, so why not do it?
 
yeah i get the point that its not helping. but its got to be something more than that thats causing it all. its as if the players are strange to each other.

but if the fans got off there backs and supported them then there is no reason robson can turn around and blame it on the fans, itll be his neck on the line.
 
yeah i get the point that its not helping. but its got to be something more than that thats causing it all. its as if the players are strange to each other.

Hence "Theres far more wrong than the atmosphere and the reaction of the fans, but its the only part we as fans can control. "

but if the fans got off there backs and supported them then there is no reason robson can turn around and blame it on the fans, itll be his neck on the line.

To his credit, so far he's not put any blame on the fans as would have been an easy thing to do. He's actually praised the atmosphere at times i've personally thought it was dire and he's also asked for the backing of the fans during the game. It ultimately is his neck on the line whether the fans back the team or not, he knows that, and Mr McCabe will have explained in no uncertain terms what is expected of him.
 
when hes asking for the backing of the fans, that to me says hes saying get off our back and support us in a toned down manner
 
when hes asking for the backing of the fans, that to me says hes saying get off our back and support us in a toned down manner

How about Lee Hendrie and Phil Bardsley, both seen gesturing to the fans in the past couple of games to raise the atmosphere up.

Surely it isn't about what the manager wants in this situation, but what the players want?
 
its the only way the crowd can cheer them these days if the player gestures to the fans.

lets face it, half of the players performances dont deserve the support.
 
its the only way the crowd can cheer them these days if the player gestures to the fans.

lets face it, half of the players performances dont deserve the support.

They are in red & white aren't they? for that alone, during the match they get my support.

Good to see the players being bothered enough to clap the fans and gesture for them to raise the volume in my opinion.
 
If there in red and white and not sweating blood for the badge, why do they deserve the support?

most of us on here are crap footballers but im sure we could put alot more effort into the game than some of the players.
 



If there in red and white and not sweating blood for the badge, why do they deserve the support?

As a team though, have we lacked effort or quality?

Are there really many players who aren't trying? its mainly just not good enough or not working.
 
Not working is lack of effort isnt it?

Players like keef and tonge arnt putting the effort in really. admitted tonge has picked up abit.

You look at players like stead and monty who will run after lost causes deserve a clap.
 
Not working is lack of effort isnt it?

Not really... sometimes things don't come off no matter how much effort you put in. This is one of the times when support really helps in helping the players not become disheartened and keep trying.

Players like keef and tonge arnt putting the effort in really. admitted tonge has picked up abit.

Tongey i'd say probably had a couple of matches earlier in the season when he lacked effort/drive to do his job, he's picked up of late. In the case of Tonge, he's a classic confidence player, so whats better in his case? support him and try and lift him/encourage him or slate him during the match?

Keef is a special case and in my opinion is perhaps one of the only players who could be accused of lacking effort at times over the season. Sometimes the way he plays looks like he isn't making the effort however (eg. coming inside and not showing for the ball, in an attempt to try and create space). He's also done some good stuff in spells, but seems to have stagnated a bit since his contract. Perhaps a kick up the arse will help (dropping him from first team as at Wolves) or perhaps a replacement?

Generally speaking though, the support is for the team as a whole and not individuals... If one individual lacks effort should the rest of the team suffer?

I agree with you on the effort side, but in terms of not being good enough or things not coming off.... as supporters we should be doing our best to encourage/lift them imo.
 
i thought you mean not working.. hard enough, not not working in general :)


the team at away games has been given some great support but still we are turning out shite. i know its different game from a home game but still, blades singing throughout the game should get you going.
 
the team at away games has been given some great support but still we are turning out shite. i know its different game from a home game but still, blades singing throughout the game should get you going.

I'd hardly call it great.... More average to poor TBH... The majority of the noise has been getting on their backs. Other than the odd song here and there. Certainly nothing like it used to be, even when enduring some shocking stuff.

An atmosphere isn't going to instantly turn around their performances. A sustained one will help lift them and take some of the pressure off though.

You could see them responding to the odd bit of support at Wolves and on 3/4 occaisions Hendrie came across and praised the fans/signalled for them to keep it up/raise it.
 
Saying that keef always responds with his thumb up before he takes a corner... does it help it though? :D
 
Saying that keef always responds with his thumb up before he takes a corner... does it help it though? :D
Doesn't seem to help him get it over the first man! "Best crosser at the club" my arse. And I've lost count of how many times he remonstrates with the players in the box after he's failed to deliver a good ball - blame them once or twice, fine; but when it's every time the common denominator becomes rather obvious. Tongey's corners are far more dangerous.

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Good post, Foxy - the only thing is you used the word "supporter" and highlighted the key meaning but you never mentioned the word "fan" and I think that word sometimes does a better job of describing most members of the crowd, if you catch my drift. :)
 

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