So , the Desso pitch ...... is it actually worth it >

[Fulwood Blade]

Its actually a fascinating debate ...... seriously .

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This was your offering yesterday.

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[coolhandluke]

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This was your offering yesterday.

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Thats true FB , though that response was ever so slightly ' tongue in cheek ' . Honest

 

[Pinchy]

What sort of pitch do you prefer us to play on?

Stupid question. No self-respecting football fan would want his excellent footballing team to play on a state of the art surface, the ball running straight and true and without crazy bounces or no bounce at all. What rhetorical claptrap!

What next? Rory McIlroy demands the windmill be removed from the twelfth green? Judd Trump gives up Bar Billiards? Andy Murray resists calls for trip wires on the baseline?

Keep Sport real. Keep it Shipshape.

 

[davidblade]

We do have the best home record in the Division and , reading between the lines , the gaffer seems to prefer the sumptuous and dependable Desso .





But , if the rumours are true and we had to sell Murphy , Maguire , DCL , Che Adams and Ramsdale to pay for it is it REALLY worth it ?

Really nobody is a bigger critic of McCabe and co than me perhaps with the exception of Barney.
But really these rumours are totally unsubstantiated and probably a right load of shite , maybe one of the above players, but definitely not all of them.
Why spread shit around we are doing well, let's keep a positive outlook and look forward to our return to the championship.

 

[PeteBlade]

I might change my opinion from last weeks Desso thread just to keep things interesting.

 

[Steve French]

I think the Charlton cup game was close to being called off due to the state of the pitch in the south west corner. That probably triggered the Desso pitch decision. If you look at Oxford away, the pitch influenced our team selection with Carruthers on the bench rather than starting and Bristol away was another game where we struggled to get the passes flowing. It's definitely helping our football at home and reduces the chance of postponements.

"Bristol"? Bloody Sheffield fans!
Spotland was particularly bad, with our midfield pretty much chipping the ball to each other for more accuracy

 

[Blade56]

We do have the best home record in the Division and , reading between the lines , the gaffer seems to prefer the sumptuous and dependable Desso .





But , if the rumours are true and we had to sell Murphy , Maguire , DCL , Che Adams and Ramsdale to pay for it is it REALLY worth it ?

Someone had a hover phone right under his chin

 

[JohnDenver]

What next? Rory McIlroy demands the windmill be removed from the twelfth green?

You've hit on something here.... and Rory wouldn't mind a few windmills if the prize money was right.

 

[Baw Heid]

Love this thread The case against the pitch seems to centre on spending the money on players rather than the facilities. I just wonder if we could attract good ball playing players if we offer a crap playing surface. I watch a good few games played at Stocksbridge and I can see the difference in our performance style when we play at the Lane. As someone who played either on ash or mud I know what I would prefer. We now look like a club who are well prepared to move up one or even two leagues

 

[Minty]

coolhandluke Yes, it is an interesting subject but do we really need multiple threads on it so posters can repeat their previous posts?

No.

 

[coolhandluke]

coolhandluke Yes, it is an interesting subject but do we really need multiple threads on it so posters can repeat their previous posts?

No.

Soz minty

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Its actually a fascinating debate ...... seriously .

It goes to the very heart of what individual Blades believe is the right , or wrong way to run our Football Club .

Should ALL available cash be used to strengthen the playing side ?

What about facilities for us fans ? What about the Academy ? And yes , what about the pitch ? Are they worthwhile investments or is it money that should all go towards the playing side ? Afterall , its what happens on the pitch thats the sole arbeiter of success isnt it ?

Personally speaking , i am forced to concede that if we judge McCabe on whats happening on the field of play only , then his tenure , at this particular moment in time , has been a failure as he took over in the Championship and we are now League 1 .

Is this really a full and fair assessment of his tenure though ? What about the ground , its better now than its ever been . The facilities are better than they've ever been ( Kop aside , though i reckon theres movement afoot to rectify this ) . The Academy continues to provide first class training facilities for the first team whilst at the same time producing a steady crop of talented youngsters .

Lets not forget the playing side aswell . If we are promoted this season , bearing in mind McCabe took over the Club in the Championship , with all of the ' off field ' improvements indicated above mean we are all forced to concede that at the very worst McCabes tenure has been ' steady ' .

I think the argument of the anti-desso posters (I’m sure they’ll correct me if I’m wrong) is not that ground improvements such as the desso should be completely ignored but that they should be entirely secondary to getting the playing staff up to an acceptable standard. I don’t think anyone can argue that we’ve punched our weight for the last six season. I gather that their position is that everything should go towards rectifying that particular ailment before directing resource to improving the ground. Once we are an established championship club and are enjoying the additional revenue that brings, we can consider ground improvement. I’m not certain as so much of it descends into petty personal arguments (both sides) but I think that is the basis of their argument.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I might change my opinion from last weeks Desso thread just to keep things interesting.

As I recall Pete, you were too yellow-bellied to have an opinion last week. Come on; nail your colours to the mast!

 

[coolhandluke]

I think the argument of the anti-desso posters (I’m sure they’ll correct me if I’m wrong) is not that ground improvements such as the desso should be completely ignored but that they should be entirely secondary to getting the playing staff up to an acceptable standard. I don’t think anyone can argue that we’ve punched our weight for the last six season. I gather that their position is that everything should go towards rectifying that particular ailment before directing resource to improving the ground. Once we are an established championship club and are enjoying the additional revenue that brings, we can consider ground improvement. I’m not certain as so much of it descends into petty personal arguments (both sides) but I think that is the basis of their argument.

Maybe theres a simple unifying principle in all of this ? Lets have money spent on the playing the side AND spent on facilities ? Or is this being far too unrealistic ? McCabe did want to take control and he does have the Prince to lean upon . Or should we be thankful that despite the fact that McCabes got us to where we are we havent effectively imploded like Coventry , Blackpool , Portsmouth etc etc etc have done ?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Maybe theres a simple unifying principle in all of this ? Lets have money spent on the playing the side AND spent on facilities ? Or is this being far too unrealistic ? McCabe did want to take control and he does have the Prince to lean upon . Or should we be thankful that despite the fact that McCabes got us to where we are we havent effectively imploded like Coventry , Blackpool , Portsmouth etc etc etc have done ?

It could be argued that we've done exactly that. But what we have spent on the pitch has either a) not been enough or b) not been spent wisely enough until Chris Wilder rolled into town.

 

[Harrisblade]

I think the argument of the anti-desso posters (I’m sure they’ll correct me if I’m wrong) is not that ground improvements such as the desso should be completely ignored but that they should be entirely secondary to getting the playing staff up to an acceptable standard. I don’t think anyone can argue that we’ve punched our weight for the last six season. I gather that their position is that everything should go towards rectifying that particular ailment before directing resource to improving the ground. Once we are an established championship club and are enjoying the additional revenue that brings, we can consider ground improvement. I’m not certain as so much of it descends into petty personal arguments (both sides) but I think that is the basis of their argument.

But the recruitment THIS season shows that if you have the right manager, you can get the players you need, a Desso pitch and still have money to further invest in players.
(As Dane just said as I was writing this )

 

[PeteBlade]

As I recall Pete, you were too yellow-bellied to have an opinion last week. Come on; nail your colours to the mast!

I've given it some real thought and decided i don't care.

I do find it funny how angry it's made (a small minority of) people though. It's almost like there's not much to be annoyed at this season so they made something up

 

[1danewhitehouse]

But the recruitment THIS season shows that if you have the right manager, you can get the players you need, a Desso pitch and still have money to further invest in players.
(As Dane just said as I was writing this )

Indeed but perhaps for that to happen, you need a situation to arise whereby you have £4million worth of talent that you can sell without massively weakening the first team.

 

[coolhandluke]

Indeed but perhaps for that to happen, you need a situation to arise whereby you have £4million worth of talent that you can sell without massively weakening the first team.

Thats where the Academy steps in . But shouldnt we be holding on to the talent that comes through the Academy ? Or is that , once again , being unrealistic while we are in League 1 . The Academy , for me , is one of the Clubs greatest ever investments , but even i get pissed off when we let the products WE have produced go season after season .

 

[finlaytheblade]

As i posted at the start of this debate Clough requested a better pitch when he got the job.
The owners backed him by getting a desso Pitch . Unfortunately Clough was sacked before his team played on it.Adkins took over and was pleased to see such a great surface,unfortunately his team didn't do it justice. We are reaping the benefits now though under Wilder who will become a legend if we keep
improving as a club.
It's been a remarkable season so far , all we have to do now is finish the job.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Thats where the Academy steps in . But shouldnt we be holding on to the talent that comes through the Academy ? Or is that , once again , being unrealistic while we are in League 1 . The Academy , for me , is one of the Clubs greatest ever investments , but even i get pissed off when we let the products WE have produced go season after season .

In an ideal world, we keep the academy talent, loaning them out where appropriate whilst building a strong team that can romp the league on a sublime Desso surface.


Unfortunately, we don’t live in an ideal world and year on year, something has to give and it’s usually whoever our most saleable asset is. The silver lining has been that this year, our most saleable assets weren’t indispensable to the first team as you might argue they were in the cases of Murphy, Maguire, McDonald, Blackman etc.

 

[stringjunior]

all we have to do now is finish the job.

Now, look here. I watched all those YouTube videos of the pitch being laid and I can confirm that the contractors finished the job. If they hadn't, it might explain some of the poor results on the Desso....

 

[Pierre's PC]

After the first thread I put a Desso in the back garden. I can confirm that next doors cat still took a shit on it.

Hope this helps the discussion xxx

 

[RealMcCoy]

Am sure there must be a connection between yet another Desso thread and an analogy about watching grass grow.

Can anyone help?

Move the thread?
Oh dear.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

The OP title deserves this to be bounced.

If you have just seen the Shrewsbury v West Ham 3rd round tie, then the Shews pitch was covered in grass, no bald patches, no soggy areas, yet it played like a ploughed field and it brought West Ham down 2 levels.

Desso defo worth it.

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[ShockingBadBuy]

The OP title deserves this to be bounced.

If you have just seen the Shrewsbury v West Ham 3rd round tie, then the Shews pitch was covered in grass, no bald patches, no soggy areas, yet it played like a ploughed field and it brought West Ham down 2 levels.

Desso defo worth it.

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I'm tempted to suggest that any pitch bringing that lot down a couple of levels is something we should all aspire to.

In which case, I'd rather have kept hold of Duffy than made final payment on the Desso

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I'm tempted to suggest that any pitch bringing that lot down a couple of levels is something we should all aspire to.

I which case, I'd rather have kept hold of Duffy than made final payment on the Desso

Just think,had we not had to sell Duff to pay for the Desso,he might have scored at Hillsborough in our 3-2 win

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Just think,had we not had to sell Duff to pay for the Desso,he might have scored at Hillsborough in our 3-2 win

He'd have been pivotal if we'd kept him. I'm sure he'd have been a regular MotM, and would've meant we hadn't had to rely on Carruthers, too. I think we'd have been top 6 (or 7).

Bloody pitch.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

He'd have been pivotal if we'd kept him. I'm sure he'd have been a regular MotM, and would've meant we hadn't had to rely on Carruthers, too. I think we'd have been top 6 (or 7).

Bloody pitch.

I really miss our ploughed pitch and,match postponements

 

[pommpey]

I really miss our ploughed pitch and,match postponements

So when was the last time that United - singularly and not as a result of UK wide weather problems - had a game postponed on the old pitch?

As said before, we won away on shit pitches in the same season we lost at home on the Desso. Your 'proof' fails badly to explain that.

pommpey