So how were we today?

[lenners]

I think we all saw it Len apart from you where he tried to do too much got caught on the ball, or gave hospital balls to our players coming back to get on the ball. We are also failing the mention the amount of times he threw himself on the floor when he'd fucked up.

I think we have already covered me and you watched different games however I don't have the reputation for having watched different games for the past 4-5 years like you have.

Don't worry Bob. I'm happy that my views are in line with Spurs and the England set-up.
Perhaps you should drop them a line and tell them just how wrong they are.
You could also write to a few clubs in the Prem and tell them all about this wunderkid who's playing up front at the Lane.

 

[lenners]

Aye best part of £10 Million for two players not good enough for a Spurs team with a dodgy backline.

If Walker doesn't improve I think he should be replaced by Geary. He is too much of a liability and doesn't create enough going the other way to cover this.

Thanks Bob. Case closed with that one.

 

[Foxy]

Don't worry Bob. I'm happy that my views are in line with Spurs and the England set-up.
Perhaps you should drop them a line and tell them just how wrong they are.

They won't need telling. My point is, if he thinks he's made it and fails to improve on the parts of his game he clearly needs to.... There won't be a Spurs and England set up for him in the future.

You could also write to a few clubs in the Prem and tell them all about this wunderkid who's playing up front at the Lane.

Based on your logic, Evans has already made it, infact... He's played more games at the top level and at international level. So there's no need for him to improve his game/cut out the mistakes

 

[DuncDisorderly]

but for me they were the better side in the 2nd half, by quite a clear margin..

Wouldn't have been difficult

That's why I think you are being harsh on them to say they got exactly what they deserved - in a manner which suggested they were cynical, played no football at all, showed no fight and created nothing. ..

Thats not what I meant and not what I said. They didn't create much, wasted the few chances they had and showed why they are relegation fodder.

What really surprises me is that you thought Peterborough never really came close to scoring. ..

I said I never felt like we were going to concede, not that they didn't come close to scoring. I made the point that this is unlike most games so far this season where we looked like there was always a goal against just a a few minutes away, (and usually has been).

I also really struggle with your line which seems to suggest that Donny are doing siomething wrong. They are 16th or whatever in the second tier - what else could they be doing to be higher in the league system? Can you clarify what you mean by this comment please? I am saying that Donny are punching well abobve their weight and play decent football.

Donny are doing OK for who they are, but I have seen it here, (not necessarily by you, so dont get all touchy about it,) that 'if only we played like Donny we'd take the bad results' (I'm paraphrasing). That is cobblers of course. Donny are another example of a team flattering to decieve with pretty football. Unless I missed something, you dont get points for style...

 

[Pinchy]

Ultimately you get points for playing the game better than other teams. At professional level that requires a passing game. It also serves to entertain your supporters; a concept sadly lost on Blacko. Watch the season ticket sales plummet as people vote with their feet.

 

[Micalijo]

Sorry Duncs but you said 'they never really came close to scoring'. Your attempts to explain what you meant above therefore have zero credibility for me. Nice try but a very poor effort. Please try again if you can be arsed. Peterboro did come close to scoring on a number of occassions. It is virtually impossible to argue otherwise.

I still cannot believe you think Donny are flattering to deceive etc etc. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion but your overall football credentials and knowledge worry me if you think Donny are struggling because of the football they play and that is what I think you are saying. They got plenty enough points last season and will be more than happy with they are now at the end of the season. That is certainly the impression I get from Donny fans who I work with.

 

[boo radley]

No, Walker didn't continually get caught in possession and was, as he often is, one of our most dangerous attackers.
You're in a minority of little more than one if you think Evans put himself about all match.
I don't think I have ever seen a striker whose concentration levels are such that he is often on his heels when the ball comes anywhere near him and is automatically second to the ball.
One suggestion yesterday was that he is just very thick and unable to tune into anticipating anything. I've not heard him interviewed but I suspect that maybe part of the problem.

(Walker)Yes he did and is not doing his basic job right. You seem to be looking through simpathetic specs coz he's 19. 1 good pass and more long ball than anyone today
(Evans) full shift did he anticipate the cornerwhen he hit crossbar?

 

[boo radley]

Ultimately you get points for playing the game better than other teams. At professional level that requires a passing game. It also serves to entertain your supporters; a concept sadly lost on Blacko. Watch the season ticket sales plummet as people vote with their feet.

Not see you at the lane again then?

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Please try again if you can be arsed.

You know what? I can't...

 

[Pinchy]

Yes mate I'll be suffering Blacko's hoofball for as long as it takes. I shall certainly be at The Lane long after the clown has put on his oversized jacket, his long shoes and his red nose then driven out of the car park in a car with the doors falling off.

However long it takes I shall be there when proper football returns to BDTBL. Others will have given up though, as you will see next season if Blacko is still manager. Happily, I think his days are numbered.

As a matter of interest, do you actually like his style of football?

 

[boo radley]

Yes mate I'll be suffering Blacko's hoofball for as long as it takes. I shall certainly be at The Lane long after the clown has put on his oversized jacket, his long shoes and his red nose then driven out of the car park in a car with the doors falling off.

However long it takes I shall be there when proper football returns to BDTBL. Others will have given up though, as you will see next season if Blacko is still manager. Happily, I think his days are numbered.

As a matter of interest, do you actually like his style of football?

No, but i shall be there also. So don't you worry about the people voting with your feet, they'll still be plenty of support from people like you and me so you won't get lonely.

 

[lenners]

(Walker)Yes he did and is not doing his basic job right. You seem to be looking through simpathetic specs coz he's 19. 1 good pass and more long ball than anyone today
(Evans) full shift did he anticipate the cornerwhen he hit crossbar?

Nope, I see his performances as they are.
But then again, you should join Bob and drop a line to the FA to point out their mistake in picking Walker for the u-21s because he can't do his basic job.
Let us know the response you get.

 

[boo radley]

Nope, I see his performances as they are.
But then again, you should join Bob and drop a line to the FA to point out their mistake in picking Walker for the u-21s because he can't do his basic job.
Let us know the response you get.

Sorry you don't get out of the hole that easily. We will have to agree to disagree. It does seem though that his defensive frailties have been noticed by quite a lot of people and you are the one with head in sand about it.
Have you ever considered also that at under 21 level we may be short of numbers and he is the best of the rest?

 

[lenners]

Sorry you don't get out of the hole that easily. We will have to agree to disagree. It does seem though that his defensive frailties have been noticed by quite a lot of people and you are the one with head in sand about it.
Have you ever considered also that at under 21 level we may be short of numbers and he is the best of the rest?

Recognised by a couple of people on a fans website yet bizarrely overlooked by England because, apparently, they're so desperate.
If you say so Boo.

 

[boo radley]

Recognised by a couple of people on a fans website yet bizarrely overlooked by England because, apparently, they're so desperate.
If you say so Boo.

Who are the couple? because I know only of three maybe there are more?
Did he play for England last week?

 

[lenners]

Who are the couple? because I know only of three maybe there are more?
Did he play for England last week?

Boo, the folk who can't see Walker's talent for some strange reason also seem to see a wunderkid playing up front.
One of them, I recall, suggested Walker should be dropped for Geary.
Enough said.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Nope, I see his performances as they are.
But then again, you should join Bob and drop a line to the FA to point out their mistake in picking Walker for the u-21s because he can't do his basic job.
Let us know the response you get.

While you are at it why don't you contact the Welsh FA about Ched.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Boo, the folk who can't see Walker's talent for some strange reason also seem to see a wunderkid playing up front.
One of them, I recall, suggested Walker should be dropped for Geary.
Enough said.

Don't misquote me Len. No one has said Walker isn't talented, I've said he hasn't played well this season and gives the ball away in dangerous areas but you still think he has played well.
I also said if his performances don't improve then he should be replaced.

Where did I say Ched is a wonderkid? Unless you can post a quote I would suggest you stop making things up.

Twisting what was said Len, who'd of thought it. Next you'll be saying you didn't slate the signing of Ward. Oh actually hang on a minute.........

 

[lenners]

While you are at it why don't you contact the Welsh FA about Ched.

Trading Standards more like. I wonder what description of the goods we got when buying him for £3m.

 

[boo radley]

Boo, the folk who can't see Walker's talent for some strange reason also seem to see a wunderkid playing up front.
One of them, I recall, suggested Walker should be dropped for Geary.
Enough said.

Sorry len have to find out off more people so started a new thread

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Trading Standards more like. I wonder what description of the goods we got when buying him for £3m.

Ducking the question Len?

Ched has represented his country 11 times so you need to write to them. c/o John Toshack.

You also need to quote where I said Ched was a wonderkid or Walker wasn't talented.

Take your time I think you'll need it.

 

[lenners]

Don't misquote me Len. No one has said Walker isn't talented, I've said he hasn't played well this season and gives the ball away in dangerous areas but you still think he has played well.
I also said if his performances don't improve then he should be replaced.

Where did I say Ched is a wonderkid? Unless you can post a quote I would suggest you stop making things up.

Twisting what was said Len, who'd of thought it. Next you'll be saying you didn't slate the signing of Ward. Oh actually hang on a minute.........

Along with Henderson and Ward when fit, he's been our best player this season.
You undeniably seem to think Evans is a good player despite all the evidence to the contrary (and for the first time yesterday you could sense the crowd beginning to turn on him, fed up with his pathetic efforts second half.)
And I didn't slate the signing of Ward, I said his signing made sense. And, as usual, was proved right.

 

[lenners]

Ducking the question Len?

Ched has represented his country 11 times so you need to write to them. c/o John Toshack.

You also need to quote where I said Ched was a wonderkid or Walker wasn't talented.

Take your time I think you'll need it.

United under Blackwell would beat Wales, Bob.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Along with Henderson and Ward when fit, he's been our best player this season.
You undeniably seem to think Evans is a good player despite all the evidence to the contrary (and for the first time yesterday you could sense the crowd beginning to turn on him, fed up with his pathetic efforts second half.)
And I didn't slate the signing of Ward, I said his signing made sense. And, as usual, was proved right.

I take you back to the original question, please quote where I have said Evans is a wonderkid or that Walker isn't talented. Either that or it would seem that you aren't usually right and may have been incorrect in your assumption.

As for the quality of Wales that is irrelevant, you were suggesting the because Walker gets picked couple of times for the under 21 that he doesn't have the issues we have raised. I was merely suggest that if that opinion is correct because Stuart Pearce picks him then it must also be true of Ched being picked by John Toshack who is a more respected and experienced manager than Pearce.

I also don't think we would beat a Welsh side containing these players Hennessey, Bellamy, Ramsey, Collins, Gabbidon, Collison, Davies, Stock, Ledley all of which we'd take for our first team.

Keep digging

 

[boo radley]

Boo, the folk who can't see Walker's talent for some strange reason also seem to see a wunderkid playing up front.
One of them, I recall, suggested Walker should be dropped for Geary.
Enough said.

You assume people think walker isn't talented, personally I think he is but can see also that he is getting alot of things wrong at the mo. if you havn't seen that then I will assume you are jumping to his defence like you would for a lover,
your not sleeping with him are you?

 

[lenners]

I take you back to the original question, please quote where I have said Evans is a wonderkid or that Walker isn't talented. Either that or it would seem that you aren't usually right and may have been incorrect in your assumption.

As for the quality of Wales that is irrelevant, you were suggesting the because Walker gets picked couple of times for the under 21 that he doesn't have the issues we have raised. I was merely suggest that if that opinion is correct because Stuart Pearce picks him then it must also be true of Ched being picked by John Toshack who is a more respected and experienced manager than Pearce.

Bob, you said Walker was somehow talented but then also hadn't played well this season.
Elsewhere you suggested we'd overlooked his frailties when we accepted a "crazy fee".
The last game he played before we accepted the "crazy fee" was at Wembley when his performance for an 18 year old was one of the very few redeeming features on that day.
Not the words of someone who really believes he's talented.
And your argument about being picked for an international team that United would beat has already fallen off the cliff.
The bottom line is you're not going to win a debate over the relative merits of Walker and Evans because the evidence is never going to substantiate what you're saying.

 

[lenners]

You assume people think walker isn't talented, personally I think he is but can see also that he is getting alot of things wrong at the mo. if you havn't seen that then I will assume you are jumping to his defence like you would for a lover,
your not sleeping with him are you?

As I've previously said, contact the FA and tell them that Walker's getting 'a lot of things wrong at the moment'.
And yes, I'd always support a kid that's come through our ranks and plays with the heart and passion he does. Always.
The fact that he's also a very talented player makes it easier.

 

[boo radley]

an international team that United would beat

Oh there goes another assumption

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Bob, you said Walker was somehow talented but then also hadn't played well this season.
Elsewhere you suggested we'd overlooked his frailties when we accepted a "crazy fee".
The last game he played before we accepted the "crazy fee" was at Wembley when his performance for an 18 year old was one of the very few redeeming features on that day.
Not the words of someone who really believes he's talented.
And your argument about being picked for an international team that United would beat has already fallen off the cliff.
The bottom line is you're not going to win a debate over the relative merits of Walker and Evans because the evidence is never going to substantiate what you're saying.

You are wrong Len and spouting complete shit to cover yourself.

Once again please quote where I said Walker wasn't talented or that Ched is a wonderkid or just admit your mistake because you are making a fool of yourself by suggesting we would beat a team made up of players most of which would walk straight into our first team.
Walkers form and liabilities has nothing to do with him not having talent. Is Ashley Young suddenly not talented because he is out of form and needs to work on aspects of his game? Your arguments are falling all over the place.

£4 Million for a right back who has played less than 6 league games in the Championship is a crazy fee in anyone's valuation, nevermind Sheffield United's.

 

[boo radley]

As I've previously said, contact the FA and tell them that Walker's getting 'a lot of things wrong at the moment'.

What makes you think they'd listen to mine or your opinion?

[/QUOTE]And yes, I'd always support a kid that's come through our ranks and plays with the heart and passion he does.[/QUOTE]

Who said they didn't?