So can we afford Simmonsen? (with a twist)

[Ollessendro]

Indeed if secured it would actually be a step forward in my opinion. If it is a free transfer we would of actually secured a better keeper on similar terms to what we were offering Paddy and we'd be 750K (minus signing on fee) up.
Of course there is a nagging feeling that we've sold Paddy for less than his market value but we when the clause was put in we were between a rock and a hard place.

Have you seen the rumours goalie thread Bob? (and others) http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?19062-new-keeper-coming-to-the-lane/page2

100% reckons that we are talking to both SS and David Stockdale. The latter (a friend of 100%) said that his deal depends on Simo. However SS is asking for a lot of money. I've got a feeling that this will be in the region of the 15k I was talking about. Should become clear in the next few days/weeks as to how much we're willing to offer and how much he'll take.

 

[Bladesman]

Have you seen the rumours goalie thread Bob? (and others) http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?19062-new-keeper-coming-to-the-lane/page2

100% reckons that we are talking to both SS and David Stockdale. The latter (a friend of 100%) said that his deal depends on Simo. However SS is asking for a lot of money. I've got a feeling that this will be in the region of the 15k I was talking about. Should become clear in the next few days/weeks as to how much we're willing to offer and how much he'll take.

We will get Stockdale.

 

[Grecian2000]

I would be mortified if we ended up with another loanee goalie for a full season.

It was, just about, understandable last season as we had a first choice who would be available eventually and so we could get by on a stop gap for a season. But this season, unless we expect great things from the Estonian, we'll be right back to square one again next summer.

My preference:
Simonsen permanent.
Some one else permanent.
Some loanee.

 

[bladesman1889]

One of the easiest things to do is to try and pick holes in peoples arguments, but real value comes from offering helpful suggestions or insights. Unfortunetely you don't have any insights and just want to criticise for the sake of it. You have some gripe with me because I have been critical of some of your posts and you just want to try and put a stick in the spokes.

Ive asked you questions as to whether you can offer a better insight on paddy's salary but your response is 'I'm not going to wate my time trying to guess it'. Why bother wasting my time, your time and everybody else (who has to read it) with your lacklustre posts?

The fact is that you know my estimtes on Paddy's salary are perfectly reasonable and that is why you have not offered anythig to this thread. You wouldn't not be opposing this thread if it was a clapper who had started it or if I had not said your defense of Blackwell and Henderson was pathetic.

Anybody could've posted this thread and I would have said exactly the same thing, because the thread makes no sense. Don't know why you're taking it personally when apparently I'm the one who does that. That apology of yours seems to have been forgotten about now I don't agree with you on something...

There's nothing to add to it, other than saying you have no idea what wages these players are on, so there's absolutely no point trying to guess them and decide whether we can afford whoever.

Why would I offer an insight on something which I think is pointless? I'm not going to suggest other methods of guessing players wages am I? And how on earth can you still maintain your estimates are reasonable, based on what?

 

[Ollessendro]

Anybody could've posted this thread and I would have said exactly the same thing, because the thread makes no sense. Don't know why you're taking it personally when apparently I'm the one who does that. That apology of yours seems to have been forgotten about now I don't agree with you on something...

There's nothing to add to it, other than saying you have no idea what wages these players are on, so there's absolutely no point trying to guess them and decide whether we can afford whoever.

Why would I offer an insight on something which I think is pointless? I'm not going to suggest other methods of guessing players wages am I? And how on earth can you still maintain your estimates are reasonable, based on what?

Bravo, bravo.

You were not big enough to even accept or even acknowledge my apology which was a little disappointing.

The figures are actually based around media reports, fans with inside information, general information (such as past united contracts, current economics situation, wages of other United players that are know, other Championship wages etc) and common sense. They cover quite a range. Have you noticed how only you has said that the wages in question are unreasonable?

 

[puppet]

Have you seen the rumours goalie thread Bob? (and others) http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?19062-new-keeper-coming-to-the-lane/page2

100% reckons that we are talking to both SS and David Stockdale. The latter (a friend of 100%) said that his deal depends on Simo. However SS is asking for a lot of money. I've got a feeling that this will be in the region of the 15k I was talking about. Should become clear in the next few days/weeks as to how much we're willing to offer and how much he'll take.

we paid halford 28k a week whilst saying we couldnt afford to keep beattie on 28k + bonuses.... wouldnt be totally unlike us to pay SS more than we were prepared to pay PK

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Can we afford Simmonsen?

Go get him Simmo

 

[bladesman1889]

Bravo, bravo.

You were not big enough to even accept or even acknowledge my apology which was a little disappointing.

The figures are actually based around media reports, fans with inside information, general information (such as past united contracts, current economics situation, wages of other United players that are know, other Championship wages etc) and common sense. They cover quite a range. Have you noticed how only you has said that the wages in question are unreasonable?

I didn't think there was anything to add but I'll acknowledge it now.

So

Media reports= very unreliable
Fans with inside information= very unreliable

Which other United player wages do you know then? I mean ones that you know for sure, not one that you've heard from Mr X who's a friend of Mr Y etc...so this still remains basically guesswork.

 

[beightonblade]

yer daft fookers ..................we've already got him !

 

[Ollessendro]

yer daft fookers ..................we've already got him !

think BB is actually spot on here.

I didn't think there was anything to add but I'll acknowledge it now.

So

Media reports= very unreliable
Fans with inside information= very unreliable

Which other United player wages do you know then? I mean ones that you know for sure, not one that you've heard from Mr X who's a friend of Mr Y etc...so this still remains basically guesswork.

Fair enough, I just presumed that you were sulking and/or didn't accept it. I saw it as curteousy to say 'don't worry about it' or sumert, unless you were still pissed off.

If (or when as I thik that we'll be signing him in the next few days) we do sign him will you accept that these figures are reasonable? I'm guessing not.

So do you really think that Paddy was being offered either less than 10k in his new contract or more than 15k?
Paddy took a big wage cut for his new contract, do you think that he was still earning over 10k a week or less than 6k a week?

These figures are perfectly reasonable estimates. They cover a range of realistic salaries and noone other than you has complained about them or made an attempt to offer better one's. Your going to come back with more boring and innapropriate questions such as 'this is unreliable, you're guessing, you know nothing, who do you know, that's not realistic and la de' but it's just a forlorn attempt to shoot me down.

There have been 58 replies by over 30 different people and only one of them (with an apparent grudge) keeps rambling on about how the figures are not reliable, this thread is shit or some other nonsense. Think it's time to give it a rest Blademan1889?

 

[bladesman1889]

I'm not bothered if nobody else has also pointed out these figures are guesses and this is not some sort of grudge no matter how much you seem to think it is, I just think this whole thread is a bit pointless because you could be say, 5 grand away on Paddy's wages which would throw these quite precise calculations completely off board.

 

[Ollessendro]

I'm not bothered if nobody else has also pointed out these figures are guesses and this is not some sort of grudge no matter how much you seem to think it is, I just think this whole thread is a bit pointless because you could be say, 5 grand away on Paddy's wages which would throw these quite precise calculations completely off board.

mathematically maybe, but realistically not.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

We will get Stockdale.

Bet we don't.

 

[Bladesman]

Bet we don't.

Too expensive?

 

[Ollessendro]

By selling Paddy for 750k I reckon, taking off his wages, we made about 400k (I refer you to post 71 in http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?19029-Paddy-gone/page4 thread if you havent seen it).

When this QPR bid came in Birch was said to be trying to offer Paddy a new contract. I think we can safely presume it was more than 10k, probably in the region of 10k-14k. I'm fairly sure of this estimate (and the fact that QPR doubled it). 12k (a safe estimate of what SUFC would have been willing to pay Paddy) a week means 624k a year. (10k 520k per year and 14k would be 730k per year) would be So over 2 seasons (probable contract length) then this would cost approx £1.3 million (or 1 million if Paddy was on 10k a week or 1.5 million if he was on 14k).

So if we add the transfer money to the money we'd be expecting to pay Paddy then we have £1.7 million (between £1.5 to £2 million is the range based on the other estimates). This means (by my logic) we have the best part of £2 million to capture Steve Simmonsen. So what are the chances we can do that?

If we could get him on a free then we could offer him about 16k a week (based on a 2 year contract) or 14 -19k a week depending on what we were to actually offer Paddy.

By my rough calculations (which i know some people didn't agree with ..... or couldn't get their head around) we could have paid Simo 16k a week after gathering him on a free and him signing a 2 year deal (based on Paddy's earnings and transfer fee). It seems unrealistic that we would pay such wages, but does anyone have an idea as to what he is earning? I didn't take into account a signing on fee and a possible bonus for number of performances which would decrease the wages. Do all players receive signing on fees and if not would SS have been likely to have received one?

I'd hazrd a (complete guess) that SS will be on around 11/12k per week with a bonus if he completes a certain number of appearences (say over 50 in his 2 years). There was a lot of wrangling over his wages, down to Birch being frugal i'm guessing and SS being on good money at Stoke, but i'm intrigued to know what he's on.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Most transfers have a signing on fee, in the case of free transfers these can be quite substantial certainly equivalent to a modest transfer fee.