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Wards said:
As ludicrous as exists now? Absolutely not.
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Talking of ludicrous why did they keep zooming in on the bloke in the red and white shirt when showing our fans, he looked like a cross between Hitler and a Porto star.
 



Wards said:
As ludicrous as exists now? Absolutely not.
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My point is that the addition of money hasn’t changed the status quo which has always existed. The big clubs will always be big and the small clubs will always be small. The gap just appears to be bigger because of the figures now involved at the top level, when really the likes of Rochdale, Exeter, Bury etc. wouldn’t be able to compete with Liverpool and Man U whether Sky had got involved or not.
 
YES Blade said:
My point is that the addition of money hasn’t changed the status quo which has always existed. The big clubs will always be big and the small clubs will always be small. The gap just appears to be bigger because of the figures now involved at the top level, when really the likes of Rochdale, Exeter, Bury etc. wouldn’t be able to compete with Liverpool and Man U whether Sky had got involved or not.
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The point was that the gap between the top flight and the rest of us now is so wide it makes it difficult to compete if anyone gets there. Using “the old 4th division” is irrelevant to the point. Back in the 80s and 90s and before that, a club could gain promotion to the top flight and have a decent chance of staying there (5 seasons in the 70s, 4 seasons in the 90s for us) but they are at such a disadvantage now that it’s a massive task both financial and footballing wise to stay there. The longer you are out of the loop (Leeds, Derby, Us, Pigs etc) the harder it becomes. The majority of the cash is split between the elite few (with the big six wanting even more if it) and it’s unhealthy for the game as a whole
 
Yes they are, as the match times are very rarely better than the traditional times and sometimes means I am going to miss a game. Reading 5:30 on a Sat a couple of weeks before Christmas. I am sat here dithering over ordering my tickets as I have a Christmas do I have paid for at Yellow Arch Studios. Google maps suggest I would get there for 10:45!!!!! Whereas 3pm would have been OK. Also their customer lack of service, been owned by Murdoc (not for much longer) + stupid high fees means they are FS.

Hope it clears it up.
 
Rodley said:
Well they played crowd noise over an impeccably observed minutes silence, they move the KO of matches with utter disdain for supporters and they’ve pushed the separation of the top 20 from the rest of the 92. All the while lining the pockets of Murdoch and his Newscorp cronies.
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But on the plus side players can now earn £ 500 million per week and not need a retirement job.

Also football fans can watch footie on TV 48 hours a day and criticise the players/managers/chairmen of every club.

Not all bad then :confused:
 
Tom Bott said:
But on the plus side players can now earn £ 500 million per week and not need a retirement job.

Also football fans can watch footie on TV 48 hours a day and criticise the players/managers/chairmen of every club.

Not all bad then :confused:
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Plus we get whinging bellends like Arsenal TV, filming themselves talking absolute shite about football.
 
S64 Blade said:
I don’t think being forced into watching something which holds a monopoly means it’s good.

The trains in this country are shit, but I still have to catch them.
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Sorry, but who is actually forcing you to watch anything?
You’re not forced to watch football on television and you’re not forced to take the train.
 
Just got home and turned the Wolves V Huddersfield on having listened to the awful Alan green and Pat Nevin in the car. Gary Neville is clearly excellent.

Half time arrives and there’s Jamie Redknapp talking shite as usual and some lass who I’ve no clue who she is, could be a fan for all I know but offers zero credibility as she’s not played the game professionally in the premier league or championship.

Give me Kevin Gage any time
 
Sky TV: Destroyed competition in the Premier League.
Gentrified the game by popularising it as a middle class sport so they buy the Sky packages.
Ticket prices in the Premier League are beyond the tradition client base of many clubs, which has somewhat percolated down into the football league.
It's now destroying the lower leagues as a spectator sport through its advent of the "red button". Despite United having some of the cheaper tickets, our crowds have dropped between one and two thousand this season.
Away games are increasingly difficult to plan. Cheap train tickets and hotels are becoming difficult to obtain, meaning travelling to away games is more difficult and less affordable. Most of these things negatively effect working class fans more; many of these fans see none of the benefits of Sky TV. These fans, and their antecedents, were the cradle of the game throughout the majority of its history, and created the "product" that is being stolen from them. Long term this is very dangerous: as football becomes less of a spectator sport, clubs will increasing depend on TV revenue for their very existence. TV companies will effectively run clubs. It has already happened in the Premier League. We're next, but our product has none of the gravitas of the PL, so are unlikely to survive and attract the same clientele.
 



I think most people are currently pissed off with Sky because we are total shit whenever we are on there. If we were smashing every fucker no one would be moaning I guarantee you.
 
nopigfansintown said:
Sky TV: Destroyed competition in the Premier League.
Gentrified the game by popularising it as a middle class sport so they buy the Sky packages.
Ticket prices in the Premier League are beyond the tradition client base of many clubs, which has somewhat percolated down into the football league.
It's now destroying the lower leagues as a spectator sport through its advent of the "red button". Despite United having some of the cheaper tickets, our crowds have dropped between one and two thousand this season.
Away games are increasingly difficult to plan. Cheap train tickets and hotels are becoming difficult to obtain, meaning travelling to away games is more difficult and less affordable. Most of these things negatively effect working class fans more; many of these fans see none of the benefits of Sky TV. These fans, and their antecedents, were the cradle of the game throughout the majority of its history, and created the "product" that is being stolen from them. Long term this is very dangerous: as football becomes less of a spectator sport, clubs will increasing depend on TV revenue for their very existence. TV companies will effectively run clubs. It has already happened in the Premier League. We're next, but our product has none of the gravitas of the PL, so are unlikely to survive and attract the same clientele.
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It’s laughable. They now play crowd noise on their broadcasts to make the atmosphere sound anything other than dogshit.
 
YES Blade said:
My point is that the addition of money hasn’t changed the status quo which has always existed. The big clubs will always be big and the small clubs will always be small. The gap just appears to be bigger because of the figures now involved at the top level, when really the likes of Rochdale, Exeter, Bury etc. wouldn’t be able to compete with Liverpool and Man U whether Sky had got involved or not.
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You are probably right that there will always be a gap between the larger and smaller clubs and there probably always has been a gap. However I think that over the years that gap has widened to the extent that even pretty large clubs like Liverpool, Spurs, Everton, Leeds, Villa stand very little chance of winning the league.

In the late 50s to early 60s in the space of 4 seasons Wolves, Burnley and Ipswich all won the league. You may argue back that Leicester won it a couple of years ago, but will that be followed up by clubs like Southampton and Everton winning it within the next 3 years. Very doubtful.

I think there can be little doubt that money has made the top of the football pyramid significantly less competitive.

In the 1960s a total of 8 different clubs won the league.

Since the advent of the premier league 26 seasons ago, a total of only 6 clubs have won the league. And regardless of what Liverpool supporters may think, that number is very unlikely to increase at the end of this season.
 
Hodgesleftpeg said:
Sorry, but who is actually forcing you to watch anything?
You’re not forced to watch football on television and you’re not forced to take the train.
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That's true; nobody is forced to watch football on television. I say that as someone who doesn't watch any football on the telly.

I've never had SKY and I never will. I could watch some stuff on BT Sport, as I get access to that free, but even though its there, I never watch it. Long since stopped watching Match of the Day as the Premier League is of absolutely zero interest to me. Could not care less.

And, I would have to put that down to the effect that ''nopifansintown' talks about in his post above. Football simply isn't the same. Maybe it's an age thing, but from devouring any bit of televised football I could find, saturation coverage has now made it an utter irrelevance to me.

In fact, any football outside of United is of little interest to me. And, even then, as good as much of the football has been in the past couple of years, I'd be lying if I said that matches these days stir the emotions as much as they used to, even when we had much less talented sides.

In that, I'm sure that there is an element of knowing deep down that the door to actually achieving anything, which may well have always seemed distant for a club like us but was at least there and ajar if the Board could ever have any ambition, is now firmly shut. Not a cat in hell's chance of ever doing anything now.
 
LS16Blade said:
That's true; nobody is forced to watch football on television. I say that as someone who doesn't watch any football on the telly.

I've never had SKY and I never will. I could watch some stuff on BT Sport, as I get access to that free, but even though its there, I never watch it. Long since stopped watching Match of the Day as the Premier League is of absolutely zero interest to me. Could not care less.

And, I would have to put that down to the effect that ''nopifansintown' talks about in his post above. Football simply isn't the same. Maybe it's an age thing, but from devouring any bit of televised football I could find, saturation coverage has now made it an utter irrelevance to me.

In fact, any football outside of United is of little interest to me. And, even then, as good as much of the football has been in the past couple of years, I'd be lying if I said that matches these days stir the emotions as much as they used to, even when we had much less talented sides.

In that, I'm sure that there is an element of knowing deep down that the door to actually achieving anything, which may well have always seemed distant for a club like us but was at least there and ajar if the Board could ever have any ambition, is now firmly shut. Not a cat in hell's chance of ever doing anything now.
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Thanks for your reply mate.

A geunine question then. You said you never watch football on the tv. Is it that you used to but don’t anymore? Or have you never bothered watching football on TV? If so, you’ve never watched United on any TV channel? If you haven’t then you have my admiration
 
Hodgesleftpeg said:
Thanks for your reply mate.

A geunine question then. You said you never watch football on the tv. Is it that you used to but don’t anymore? Or have you never bothered watching football on TV? If so, you’ve never watched United on any TV channel? If you haven’t then you have my admiration
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Used to watch years ago. Would eagerly find any football that was on, sit in front of the telly all day for the FA Cup Final, buy every video or DVD of the Blades that came out etc.

But now I just don't bother at all with televised football. And that includes United. I have a season ticket, but through the constant interference of SKY, I've been unable to get to a number of games already this season, including the derby, but I haven't bothered to find somewhere to watch on TV instead. My season ticket will go unused for the WBA match too but I won't bother trying to get somewhere to see it on TV, even though I suppose I could.

As I say, it may be down to age but I also think there is an element of saturation coverage dulling the senses to it. A Grimsby fan of my acquaintance, refers disparagingly to "Television-land football" almost as if it's a completely separate sport altogether to the one we're engaged in.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Look what happened at the derby match. If they weren't doing that, why have recorded crowd noise available at the push of a button?
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Ok, I’ll tell you what happened at that Match.

There is some pre-recorded crowd noise to use, it is used to mask out any constant abusive language.

When the bugler started, instead of the fader going up for that microphone,the wrong fader was hit, a genuine mistake.
 
YES Blade said:
So there was no gulf pre Sky between the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal etc and the old division four teams in the 80s?
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In Division Four we once got a higher attendance than Liverpool got for a European Cup match, and we often got more than many top flight teams for their League games

The gap was there but it could be closed or at least narrowed. And for a club like United with good support it was easier then than what it is now because the club turnover was largely based on their attendances and sponsorship deals only

What's so annoying is Reg Brierley is on film telling everybody how football is going to change ( and he was bang right )
But he did nothing about it and allowed our status as one of this countries genuine potentially big clubs to slide on by without so much as a whimper
 
LS16Blade said:
Used to watch years ago. Would eagerly find any football that was on, sit in front of the telly all day for the FA Cup Final, buy every video or DVD of the Blades that came out etc.

But now I just don't bother at all with televised football. And that includes United. I have a season ticket, but through the constant interference of SKY, I've been unable to get to a number of games already this season, including the derby, but I haven't bothered to find somewhere to watch on TV instead. My season ticket will go unused for the WBA match too but I won't bother trying to get somewhere to see it on TV, even though I suppose I could.

As I say, it may be down to age but I also think there is an element of saturation coverage dulling the senses to it. A Grimsby fan of my acquaintance, refers disparagingly to "Television-land football" almost as if it's a completely separate sport altogether to the one we're engaged in.
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I was like this a few years ago, I now watch a lot more because I have a 6 year old wanting to watch football constantly. I put the Arsenal game on Bein yesterday and it's the first time I've watched Arsenal in a long time, I knew the names of 3 of their starting 11 and that was because I used to watch German football so knew them from there.

I'll watch it but I have a genuine apathy towards teams other than the Blades that has been going on for a long time. I think it's age but I seriously couldn't give a shit who wins the PL and couldn't tell you where anyone is in the league (though I assume Man City are top?!). In the championship I couldn't tell you where anyone is in the league apart from the teams immediately around us (although I know the pigs are down near the bottom somewhere).

I just put it down to being a miserable twat with a chip on my shoulder about certain things but I'm trying to muster some enthusiasm for the sake of my son.
 



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