Simon Moore - Time to move on?

[Kev Gee]

Eastwood out injured for 4 months, also on loan in Scotland.

Good point.
In that case I would keep Moore and loan out Eastwood (when fit) and Verrips.

 

[Sheffsteel]

If he was 36/37 maybe yes. He's just turned 30 and as a keeper is coming into his prime. He's also just seen 2 keepers brought in that are higher in the pecking order. That got to hurt, surely.

I think it depends. Imagine if the choices were

Being paid £7K a week at a PL club working with good mates every day having a laugh.
Travelling to PL stadia every week supporting your team mates, family settled in the area, loving the Yorkshire country side and city.
Negatives are unlikely to play a 1st team game but also zero pressure.

He could go to an upper league 1 side (like a Portsmouth) on £5K a week.
Upheavel to his family and social network, travelling to shitty small stadiums with small crowds, worse training facilities.
New team mates So needs to make new friends from scratch but will likely play regular football.

Depends on ambition but I put happiness above ambition...so I’d choose option 1 and stay at SU....unless a fantastic offer arrived.

 

[LJBlade]

He still went down in installments though...

Doesn’t matter how he went down, he would never have saved it and neither would any of the keeper on our books at the time.

(for what it’s worth he didn’t go down in ‘instalments’ and that completely contradicts your original comment that he went down too quickly).

 

[Deleted member 23679]

or just sit there nice and quiet picking up your dosh, plus a cut of the hefty bonuses, then walk away in 10 months time out of contract for another pile of dosh - probably warming somebody else's bench. Nice work if you can get it!

I’m getting the impression you really don’t like him

 

[Cheesebored]

Sharp made positive contributions to the side last year and I'd guess, does a lot of work behind the scenes.

I wouldn't disagree but maybe a years extension then renegotiate again if we're aiming to get him onto the coaching staff?

 

[Snake]

I’m getting the impression you really don’t like him

I don't rate him as a keeper. I don't know him as a person, but by all accounts he's a decent guy. But have some professional pride man. You are in the prime of your goalkeeping life. Go out there and show em what you've got!

 

[Mojo]

Neither him or Verrips at training today

 

[Withington Blade]

I think it depends. Imagine if the choices were

Being paid £7K a week at a PL club working with good mates every day having a laugh.
Travelling to PL stadia every week supporting your team mates, family settled in the area, loving the Yorkshire country side and city.
Negatives are unlikely to play a 1st team game but also zero pressure.

He could go to an upper league 1 side (like a Portsmouth) on £5K a week.
Upheavel to his family and social network, travelling to shitty small stadiums with small crowds, worse training facilities.
New team mates So needs to make new friends from scratch but will likely play regular football.

Depends on ambition but I put happiness above ambition...so I’d choose option 1 and stay at SU....unless a fantastic offer arrived.

Agee, it’s a unique position. Someone of Moore’s ability can only realistically hope to be second or third choice at this level, so his options are to play the role of reserve keeper and hope to pick up the odd appearance in the early rounds of the cup or when the first choice keeper is injured or suspended or to drop down the leagues to be no. 1.

Moore seems like a lovely fella and by all accounts is a good influence in dressing room and very popular member of the squad. If we’re being honest, League One is probably his level so it will depend on whether he want regular first team football or being part of the premier league circus and all the trappings that comes with it.

I’d be happy either way, he doesn’t owe us anything and would probably be allowed to leave for a free or nominal fee if he wanted to move on. If he decides to stay he would add something to the squad in terms of his personality and presence on the training pitch.

 

[Withington Blade]

I think it depends. Imagine if the choices were

Being paid £7K a week at a PL club working with good mates every day having a laugh.
Travelling to PL stadia every week supporting your team mates, family settled in the area, loving the Yorkshire country side and city.
Negatives are unlikely to play a 1st team game but also zero pressure.

He could go to an upper league 1 side (like a Portsmouth) on £5K a week.
Upheavel to his family and social network, travelling to shitty small stadiums with small crowds, worse training facilities.
New team mates So needs to make new friends from scratch but will likely play regular football.

Depends on ambition but I put happiness above ambition...so I’d choose option 1 and stay at SU....unless a fantastic offer arrived.

Agee, it’s a unique position. Someone of Moore’s ability can only realistically hope to be second or third choice at this level, so his options are to play the role of reserve keeper and hope to pick up the odd appearance in the early rounds of the cup or when the first choice keeper is injured or suspended or to drop down the leagues to be no. 1.

Moore seems like a lovely fella and by all accounts is a good influence in dressing room and very popular member of the squad. If we’re being honest, League One is probably his level so it will depend on whether he want regular first team football or being part of the premier league circus and all the trappings that comes with it.

I’d be happy either way, he doesn’t owe us anything and would probably be allowed to leave for a free or nominal fee if he wanted to move on. If he decides to stay he would add something to the squad in terms of his personality and presence on the training pitch.

 

[yamyamblade]

Andy Giddings on Twitter stating Rotherham close to signing 2 keepers 1 perm 1 loan , maybe Moore or Verrips is one of these?

 

[Torrix1889]

Doesn’t matter how he went down, he would never have saved it and neither would any of the keeper on our books at the time.

(for what it’s worth he didn’t go down in ‘instalments’ and that completely contradicts your original comment that he went down too quickly).

the first installment was quick, the other three followed sometime later.....

 

[robbiez666]

Would it not make sense for us to have Moore as our 3rd choice keeper, unless he's desperate for first team football?

He's great around the dressing room
Been with us since L1 and never kicked up a fuss
Fairly reliable but unlikely to play
Hard to sign a player just to warm the bench

We have Verrips, Eastwood, Dewhurst etc but they need to be playing. It makes more sense to loan them out (as we did with Eastwood)

 

[miles]

He’s a good guy and has been an excellent professional.
Whatever happens we would do well to remember that.

 

[bigbirdblade]

I think I've read that CW admires his professionalism and attitude and basically what he brings to the squad.

 

[Nesh Blade]

Neither him or Verrips at training today

To be fair in the video you didn't see lots of other players like McBurnie, Moose, JOC etc. Are they still training in small groups?

 

[Mojo]

To be fair in the video you didn't see lots of other players like McBurnie, Moose, JOC etc. Are they still training in small groups?

They showed keeper training though, all the keepers usually train together

 

[Killamarshblades]

I've mentioned before on other threads that as it stands the plan is keep hold of Moore and let Verrips go on loan to get vital experience of playing in the UK ideally. Makes complete sense. Obviously could change but that's what the club have been planning to do.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Agee, it’s a unique position. Someone of Moore’s ability can only realistically hope to be second or third choice at this level, so his options are to play the role of reserve keeper and hope to pick up the odd appearance in the early rounds of the cup or when the first choice keeper is injured or suspended or to drop down the leagues to be no. 1.

Moore seems like a lovely fella and by all accounts is a good influence in dressing room and very popular member of the squad. If we’re being honest, League One is probably his level so it will depend on whether he want regular first team football or being part of the premier league circus and all the trappings that comes with it.

I’d be happy either way, he doesn’t owe us anything and would probably be allowed to leave for a free or nominal fee if he wanted to move on. If he decides to stay he would add something to the squad in terms of his personality and presence on the training pitch.

Largely agree with what you say but although he's often seen as a League 1 standard player, the last time he played there he.
did make the PFA Team of the season..

Also in that team were Kieron Freeman, Duffy, Fleck and Billy. God knows why JOC and Coutts weren't included!

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Handsome bastard n'all, int he.

 

[Withington Blade]

Largely agree with what you say but although he's often seen as a League 1 standard player, the last time he played there he.
did make the PFA Team of the season..

Also in that team were Kieron Freeman, Duffy, Fleck and Billy. God knows why JOC and Coutts weren't included!

Fair comment Barney. He was very good in his first season but I guess CWAK had their doubts as they quickly looked to upgrade when we were promoted, first with Blackman and then with Hendo. I might been doing his a disservice saying he is L1 standard as I don’t recall him being out of his depth when he was competing with Blackman in our first season back in the champ.

 

[BettingBlade]

Andy Giddings on Twitter stating Rotherham close to signing 2 keepers 1 perm 1 loan , maybe Moore or Verrips is one of these?

Think Rotherham would be a good move for him tbh. Doesn't have to move away, and if it is a loan then he's still on the same wage. He's also good enough to be Rotherham's no.1. I personally think lower half/mid table Championship is probably his level

 

[Bladesthorpe]

So I’m guessing that you have already made your mind up that he is a player who is happy to pick a wage up for very little in return.

I’ll present a little scenario. It comes to November, Foderingham has pulled a hamstring, Ramsdale then gets sent off during a game we are holding a 1-0 lead with 10 minutes to to, who do you think Chris Wilder would want in the net?

That's jinked it.

 

[PokerBlade]

Sometimes we forget that there is more to life than playing football.
How many turn up to work to earn money and for no other reason ? Isn’t that what the third choice keeper does ?
Kids at school and wife / partner at work are reasons also not to move.
Maybe, just maybe, he likes living in Sheffield.

Keepers are weird though. For some of them it's more like they turn up to training for work they never do. You're right though, it's not the worst thing in the world to be.

As far as the thread goes, I'm in the camp that thinks you need a real third choice keeper in the Prem. Whether it's cup rotations or injuries and suspensions, games are so vital that you can't get by in a pinch the way you can at lower levels. Moore is as good a third choice keeper as we're going to get right now given Verrips is still an unknown quantity. If the coaching staff reckon Verrips is up to it then, sure, let one of them go.

 

[GEARYstolemyBEER]

I think I read somewhere that he’s the sheff utd players rep for the PFA, so must be well thought of in the dressing room.

as many have said if he is happy to continue that role and be there as third choice I don’t see any harm for him to carry that on for this season at least, seems a nice lad!

 

[Killamarshblades]

Fair comment Barney. He was very good in his first season but I guess CWAK had their doubts as they quickly looked to upgrade when we were promoted, first with Blackman and then with Hendo. I might been doing his a disservice saying he is L1 standard as I don’t recall him being out of his depth when he was competing with Blackman in our first season back in the champ.

We only brought Blackman in as Moore got injured at Rotherham two weeks before the season started, and we were without a keeper. Otherwise i dont imagine big Jamal would have been signed.

 

[bromtom]

So I’m guessing that you have already made your mind up that he is a player who is happy to pick a wage up for very little in return.

I’ll present a little scenario. It comes to November, Foderingham has pulled a hamstring, Ramsdale then gets sent off during a game we are holding a 1-0 lead with 10 minutes to to, who do you think Chris Wilder would want in the net?

In that scenario, I'd still rather put on the wet behind the ears but highly rated youngster like Dewhurst on over Moore.

It's a gamble obviously but we've seen enough of Moore to know he's not up to it in the Premier League so continuing to have a situation where there is a chance he would play is something we should avoid even if he's the most lovely man and the most model professional.

I don't think Wilder would be ecstatic about having to put him on in your hypothetical scenario.

Don't mind him being here if he's well down the order/has no chance of being called on for a league game and doesn't mind though.

 

[8lade]

Andy Giddings on Twitter stating Rotherham close to signing 2 keepers 1 perm 1 loan , maybe Moore or Verrips is one of these?

Just heard Warne talking about 2 keepers now, reckon Moore could be the loan one maybe with a view to buy (once the contract is out) he'll do ok at that level.

 

[Ivanhoe]

Just heard Warne talking about 2 keepers now, reckon Moore could be the loan one maybe with a view to buy (once the contract is out) he'll do ok at that level.

The Millers 'loaner' is Blackman according to my millers supporting mate..

 

[LoughboroBlade]

In that scenario, I'd still rather put on the wet behind the ears but highly rated youngster like Dewhurst on over Moore.

It's a gamble obviously but we've seen enough of Moore to know he's not up to it in the Premier League so continuing to have a situation where there is a chance he would play is something we should avoid even if he's the most lovely man and the most model professional.

I don't think Wilder would be ecstatic about having to put him on in your hypothetical scenario.

Don't mind him being here if he's well down the order/has no chance of being called on for a league game and doesn't mind though.

Thing is we really want all of our young keepers getting some proper first team games on loan rather than being the reserve choice for the bench. The third choice role in contrast is perfect for someone experienced, realistic and happy with the fact they won’t play regularly if at all, and who can be ready when called upon – the league is full of this class of professional third choice role. If Moore wants first team football, fair enough – I’m sure we’ll help find him somewhere. But if not, he’s ideal to have in the third choice spot – and probably adds a good amount to the atmosphere of the squad. Plus of course he’s one of the few remaining from the League 1 winning team.

 

[8lade]

The Millers 'loaner' is Blackman according to my millers supporting mate..

Well Wilder always chose Blackman over Moore but I though this was a mistake based on Wilder really liking a big keeper.