Simon Jordan - got McCabe right, getting Wilder right

[Torrix1889]

He put us in a position where we had a fantastic championship squad with best young players in that league

Prince forced his hand which led to wilder leaving

Wilder with this squad = TOP2

Typical response from you my deluded friend, avoid the question and repeat your narrative...

Best young players..... ....would that be Stevens age 31, Baldock age 29, Basham age 33, Egan age 29, Fleck age 30, Norwood age 31, Sharp age 36, McGoldrick age 34......

 

[Badger Blade]

The good thing with Jordan is that he's one of very few football people in the media who don't have an agenda or some entity that they aren't allowed to piss off, whether that's ex-players looking for management jobs, ex-players who have a strong attachment to a particular team and constantly have to make the right noises or generate the right PR.

He knows the goings on behind closed doors better than we do and better than a lot of players probably do. Speaking as a chairman when your manager that you've just spent good money to employ is refusing to rule himself out of another job will understandably put noses out of joint, particularly if you've just landed in one of the better Championships job not long after making a total cock up of things when the world was at his feet.

Wilder may well have taken us back up if he was still here but if he was that great, we'd still be in the Premier League making a decent fist of things, bobbing around where Newcastle/Villa/Palace/Southampton are and trying to actually string a few seasons together in the top flight. Dummies got spat, mirrors weren't looked in and it all came crashing down.

Instead, we're making a balls of it against rag-tag teams like Reading and Bristol City, with no money having wasted it on a squad that's got virtually no profitable assets and our best, most important players after all the money we've spent are (still) 36 year old Billy Sharp and MGW who isn't ours.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Believe what you want to believe, I believe in common sense

The common sense thing to do would be to back the manager who 6 months prior you offered a share of united world

Its proven now that the wrong thing to do was not to back CW the proof of that is us more than likely not going up this season

The illogical thing to do was to appoint a manager who had polar opposite ideas on football to CW meaning the entire playing squad wasn't suited

 

[nopigfansintown]

His job was to keep us in the PL when we got there. After a great first season his tactics were nullified. Yes his managerial skills enabled us to bank over £200m, but half of that went down the pan on signings that haven’t lived up to their fees. Whatever went on regards finance, when the going got tough he seemed to spend more time criticising everyone else or holding his head in his hands. We were going down and he couldn’t hack it.

As for ‘Boro, l wouldn’t write them off yet but the same criticism will be there if they do fail. Burnley job? Not if they look like going down. Seasons end maybe.

Boro can't fail this season. Wilder took over when they were 14th. Their squad is poor and are massively overachieving under Wilder. I disagree that our tactics were sussed. We'd stopped doing what we had been doing due to the O'Connell injury. We became a run of the mill 3-5-2 outfit and people saw the real level of the vast majority of our players: Championship. It was then a damage limitation exercise until we went again this this season. We had no replacement anywhere near the level of O'Connell and no option to radically change things due to the balance of the squad. Recruitment could've been better, but, then again, we've all seen the wage bill. I've never bought the narrative that we had legions of incredible foreign players that were ready to join on United wages that Wilder was vetoing. This season has underlined that view. They have paid Wilder and Slav off rather than go again. You pay your money and takes your chances. Wilder was happy to be here: "if the plan doesn't change"...

 

[Working Class Hero]

If anyone got anyone right, this past year has proved that Wilder got the Prince right.

 

[bertieblade]

Agree that Slavs appointment was wrong, but are talking about Wilder

 

[bertieblade]

If anyone got anyone right, this past year has proved that Wilder got the Prince right.

So you wanted us to spend money that we do not have, when we had already wasted any profits achieved in the premiership.
Derby and Wednesday did that and are both currently in division 1.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I'm a massive admirer of Wilder. I felt safe under his management as we all did if you removed 19/20 season. I'd have rather had him in charge at the first game of the season vs B'Ham than Slav.

However, he has massively turned fans against the ownership and left badly in my opinion. His friends are extremely vocal about how much they don't like our ownership I can only presume that comes from their friend Wilder.

We can talk about signings and money wasted, but he did make some incredibly good signings too & had us playing the best football I've witnessed as a 32 year old at Bramall Lane. I just don't care for the rest

 

[bartman]

Look at the league Sean it is the worst championship in donkeys years look at the points total Fulham have they've barely scraped 2pts a game and are been hailed the best championship team ever

Of course it isn't a fact but it is a bonkers decision to go from a proven manager with a proven squad the day wilder left is the day our downturn properly started

The downturn started straight after the restart after lockdown whilst BDW was in charge

 

[JohnDenver]

Who the fuck is Simon Jordan to tell anyone they should be ruling themselves out of job? It's really really simple Simon keep your pompous nose out of his business. Guys just a total cunt

The bloke who fitted my kitchen met him on a night out and said he’s alright.

Bringing you nothing but the facts here….

 

[Sean Thornton]

Boro can't fail this season. Wilder took over when they were 14th. Their squad is poor and are massively overachieving under Wilder. I disagree that our tactics were sussed. We'd stopped doing what we had been doing due to the O'Connell injury. We became a run of the mill 3-5-2 outfit and people saw the real level of the vast majority of our players: Championship. It was then a damage limitation exercise until we went again this this season. We had no replacement anywhere near the level of O'Connell and no option to radically change things due to the balance of the squad. Recruitment could've been better, but, then again, we've all seen the wage bill. I've never bought the narrative that we had legions of incredible foreign players that were ready to join on United wages that Wilder was vetoing. This season has underlined that view. They have paid Wilder and Slav off rather than go again. You pay your money and takes your chances. Wilder was happy to be here: "if the plan doesn't change"...

Boro have dropped away. The expectation was high. That’s what l meant by fail.

Outstanding as Jack was, you can’t put the relegation season down to one missing player.

A run of the mill 352? We clearly were sussed then. Plus people realised the actual quality of most of our players weren’t up to it? Including the expensive signings? You don’t seem to believe any of this was down to CW. Which clearly isn’t the case. What exactly did he try to do when he realised the points you made about the squad might be the issue?

 

[Chingo]

Sorry Wilder doesn't take credit for the sales or the fact that players like Bogle are actually decent now. Any successful signing you can ignore. But the failures are all Wilders fault AND prove he was never a blade.

If wilder is so good how come he couldnt get a tune out of Bogle and Brewster but Hecky can ?
They were as crap as the rest of them under wilder !

 

[Sean Thornton]

The common sense thing to do would be to back the manager who 6 months prior you offered a share of united world

Its proven now that the wrong thing to do was not to back CW the proof of that is us more than likely not going up this season

The illogical thing to do was to appoint a manager who had polar opposite ideas on football to CW meaning the entire playing squad wasn't suited

First FACTS now proven. You’re just making stuff up.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

Simon Jordan being paid to talk about football is like getting OJ Simpson to give marriage guidance counselling.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Simon Jordan being paid to talk about football is like getting OJ Simpson to give marriage guidance counselling.

When analogies don’t really work…….

 

[bertieblade]

People are saying that Wilder was happy to stay here if the plan did not change.

The Plan had to change, as Wilder was wasting money hand over fist and was wanting more in the hope that it would all work out in the end. His request for money to loan lingaard really was the icing on the cake.

we had to address the fact that we were starting to haemorrhage money or we would have been bankrupt. Yes Wilder could have got us into the premiership, but chances were he could not. The owners had already lost trust in him as he kept threatening to leave, what would have happened if they had agreed to his plans and he then announces he wants to leave?

 

[Chingo]

Those threats were made because of what was been said by the prince in regards to the transfers in the summer at the time

CW said If we stick to the plan i will stay in a Radio Sheff interview I recall

The prince didn't want too and here we are

So it was his way or no way ?

His way was a failure in his last season with us , why the hell would the prince throw money we don’t have at a failure ?

 

[Cheesebored]

Spunked ️
Pissed ️
Back door ️
Sounds like a cracking night in the Barrel.

4 million anyone?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Boro have dropped away. The expectation was high. That’s what l meant by fail.

Outstanding as Jack was, you can’t put the relegation season down to one missing player.

A run of the mill 352? We clearly were sussed then. Plus people realised the actual quality of most of our players weren’t up to it? Including the expensive signings? You don’t seem to believe any of this was down to CW. Which clearly isn’t the case. What exactly did he try to do when he realised the points you made about the squad might be the issue?

I think the expectation became high because of the job he was doing, not because people expected a play off push when he walked through the door at Boro.
He asked for the centre back and pointed out how crucial it was. The major reason for United's success was the formation, not the quality of the players, so I have to fundamentally disagree with that. We weren't sussed - we no longer had the players to execute it. You can play any other way with those players and they finish bottom imo. United's first season in the Premier league was one of the biggest miracles to happen in football in the last 40-50 years. We had maybe three players of Premier league quality (Henderson, O'Connell, Mousset) and a few gambles that could go either way. Berge was looking promising in season two, but we all know what happened there. Anybody that expected safety in either season - based on the quality of players - was deluded imo. We weren't a young team with loads of developing assets like some teams when we went up . We were a team that had sold its best young players, had invested very little over a long period and needed big expensive changes to establish ourselves. Relegation was expected and recruitment was based on that assumption. We were always gambling on positions praying for no injuries. The main criticism of Wilder is based on recruitment, particularly the Mcburnie and Brewster signings. I see very little else to criticise. I don't think anybody else would've done better.

 

[Frank the tank]

The sensible thing would be to keep the manager that bought those players

Instead we brought ion the exact opposite manager who didn't even think Brewster should be in the squad and Bogle shouldn't start

The manager walked out

 

[BerksBlade]

Why is he getting wilder right ?

Wilder left because the prince told him we would only be able to sign loan players and that would be financed by selling 2 major players

CW said either we have one go at it or i leave

He left and we did exactly what the prince said to CW this time last year

In hindsight if we would have kept CW and had a sensible go at it for one season we would have cakewalked the league

Instead poundland princer sacked the manager who he hired after 3 months because he wasn't given what he was promised and we appointed a glorified Youth team coach

All this anti CW nonsense is BS yes he through a strop but he was also the best manager we have had or the second best ever

Those are FACTS

"we would have cakewalked the league" - not a fact
"poundland prince sacked the manager ... because he wasn't given what he was promised" - you know what he was promised for a fact, do you?
"Wilder left because the Prince told him..." - there was no money left to spend - why do think that was?

Yes, Wilder was a terrific manager, but not for his last 12 months with us.

 

[Kev Gee]

He's bang on the money about CW.

Remember that Gibson took him back into management when others thought he was a busted flush and done.

Some pay back from CW to Boro this.

And CW did start to believe the hype about himself here and that led to his downfall.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

People are saying that Wilder was happy to stay here if the plan did not change.

The Plan had to change, as Wilder was wasting money hand over fist and was wanting more in the hope that it would all work out in the end. His request for money to loan lingaard really was the icing on the cake.

we had to address the fact that we were starting to haemorrhage money or we would have been bankrupt. Yes Wilder could have got us into the premiership, but chances were he could not. The owners had already lost trust in him as he kept threatening to leave, what would have happened if they had agreed to his plans and he then announces he wants to leave?

We spent more money paying off CW hiring Slav then sacking slav than just keeping CW and not rocking the boat

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

"we would have cakewalked the league" - not a fact
"poundland prince sacked the manager ... because he wasn't given what he was promised" - you know what he was promised for a fact, do you?
"Wilder left because the Prince told him..." - there was no money left to spend - why do think that was?

Yes, Wilder was a terrific manager, but not for his last 12 months with us.

These are all statements that have been said by CW & Princey


Prince said in the blades youtube pod that any manager was told only loans and sales

CW said this wasnt the agreed plan so he left

 

[Bayingblade]

Boro have dropped away. The expectation was high. That’s what l meant by fail.

Outstanding as Jack was, you can’t put the relegation season down to one missing player.

A run of the mill 352? We clearly were sussed then. Plus people realised the actual quality of most of our players weren’t up to it? Including the expensive signings? You don’t seem to believe any of this was down to CW. Which clearly isn’t the case. What exactly did he try to do when he realised the points you made about the squad might be the issue?

I'm not saying you're wrong, Sean but in my view, JOC was a huge miss that affected the whole team. Defensively a rock and useful at set pieces up front but the major effect was we lost pretty much all of our attacking intent down the left side. Consequently, the opposition only really had to stop us on the right and we were done. Having both options made space for players on both sides and once this was cut off, individual performances suffered because they had less space to play in. We lost so many games by the odd goal that in the previous season with JOC, we were winning or drawing. The margins were that fine. I'm not saying we would have stayed up, but with JOC as an ever present, I think we'd have had a chance.

 

[Balham]

The common sense thing to do would be to back the manager who 6 months prior you offered a share of united world

Its proven now that the wrong thing to do was not to back CW the proof of that is us more than likely not going up this season

The illogical thing to do was to appoint a manager who had polar opposite ideas on football to CW meaning the entire playing squad wasn't suited

How exactly did the ownership fail to back Wilder? He was allowed to spend a net £114m (and counting) on transfer fees in two seasons. That's more than pretty much any other side in England and therefor more than almost every other side in Europe. He also left us with a really unbalanced squad despite spending all that money.

Wilder did an unbelievable job for three and a half years. He then did an unbelievably bad job for the last 9 months.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

When analogies don’t really work…….

SJ actually talks a lot of sense too to be fair. He also regularly explains where he went wrong during his ownership of Palace.

I don't care for this 'you have no right to discuss football' rubbish. I'd rather listen to him making a fair argument (even if you don't agree with it) than some of the waffle you hear from actual footballers like Agbonlahor & Jamie O'hara.

 

[Dan Emery]

With Boro's improvement and our improvement under Hecky (Wilder ball) it's a hard argument to make that we wouldn't be challenging the autos under Wilder. The shit pre season and crap fitness of the players wouldn't be a factor for starters. Nor would we have blown the Jan budget on sacking cheque book Slav.

Given Wilder seemingly lost the dressing room before sneaking out the back door I'm reasonably confident we'd be nowhere near the top 6 if he'd stayed in charge.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

How exactly did the ownership fail to back Wilder? He was allowed to spend a net £114m (and counting) on transfer fees in two seasons. That's more than pretty much any other side in England and therefor more than almost every other side in Europe. He also left us with a really unbalanced squad despite spending all that money.

Wilder did an unbelievable job for three and a half years. He then did an unbelievably bad job for the last 9 months.

Wilder had a bad 6 months and an amazing 4 years

Success is not linear look at burnley

Put it this way if we would have kept wilder would we be in a better position than we are now , the answer is 10000% yes

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Given Wilder seemingly lost the dressing room before sneaking out the back door I'm reasonably confident we'd be nowhere near the top 6 if he'd stayed in charge.

He didn't sneak out of the back door

He said i want to stay but you have to give me some assurances

The prince didn't which made his job untenable

It isn't a hard concept to grasp