Should we sack Selles? (Poll)

[Nick Jansky]

we could get a group of us to get us up to 8th in 4 weeks time, but thats by the by

We couldn’t, and even if we could you wouldn’t be one of them.

 

[Bladesince59]

No need. He'll walk next week

 

[54yrblade]

What basics are these that you are referring to, that they must have also forgot to do so far this season?

Player stats of this season on the way then to demonstrate your point?

Passing, not turning it over regularly, moving into space, standing like 9 pins on corners

Apparently too hard now

They're phoning it in and too many accept it

 

[Aston max]

I think his major error was trying to install a new system to quickly .
These lads got used to 4-2-3-1 last season, I think with his progressive attacking idea's IMO he'd have started better sticking with it and improving it .
There's a lot of chins on chests atm . Let's get the next 10 days of the window out of the way and see how they come out of the traps after the international break. When they've had two weeks together with hopefully new players on top of the ones we've already signed.
UTB

 

[54yrblade]

Totally agree and they don’t seem to be playing for Selles but it is his job to “make the weather”. It was the focus on just the manager that I was a little uncomfortable with.

Me too. He's an easy lightning rod for the fan base

Time the players got called out too. They and Wilder couldn't cope under pressure last season either

 

[reedy63]

You have to ask why Selles got the bullet at Hull after saving them from relegation. It's looking like he will be sacked again, hopefully Asap.
It is clear that some of our players don't want to play for him and don't like what he is trying to do. I am sure Blade supporters like me don't know what he is trying to do either.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Sheff Uniteds Staying down der der der der der der der der der
Ruben Selles is a clown der der der der der der der der der
Staying in championship 10 more years der der der der der der der der der
Shoreham boys are on the beers.

 

[UTB Blade]

I know what you mean, but on the other hand he's hardly going to come out and say I'm clueless, the team are inept, and I need firing is he?

You wouldn't think so, but some new footage of a previously unbroadcast segment of his post-match interview has just been released, and in it, he displays an extraordinary level of self-awareness.

Here it is:

 

[Keen Blade]

I am semi retired now, do a little part time job delivering prescription's for Sheffield Children's Hospital. Having worked 52 years full time, I have had , British, American, European management teams. They all have the same core value, will never, never, admit they got it wrong. To be fair the British were by far the worse, arrogant and incompetent. The Americans were just wired up different, after some time, they "revaluated the working business model", which meant reverting to the original English system which worked!!!!!! I think that will happen here, hopefully, sooner rather than later, as they watch the value of their asset plumet in value, god forbid , should relegation appear on the horizon.

Relegation is where we're at - bottom of the league with no points and no prospects of any in the near future.

 

[Dkc]

Relegation is where we're at - bottom of the league with no points and no prospects of any in the near future.

Wouldn't go that far, we have two games against the pigs coming up

 

[Keen Blade]

people wanted him sacked & rumours are if we had lost to oxford. history couldve been so much different. but i remember he changed tactics in 2nd half v oxford & things clicked

Comparing that to the Selles situation , was there an irretrievable breakdown between manager & players ?
Because that's what it looks like just now.

 

[SB_90]

Comparing that to the Selles situation , was there an irretrievable breakdown between manager & players ?
Because that's what it looks like just now.

we were as bad defensively v southend than anything i saw. & we have no idea about breakdowns we can only guess

 

[Weasel]

I have to say, whilst very unprofessional on their part, it does look like the players are confused, not happy as a group, and have started squabbling amongst themselves at times in the pitch. That comes from frustration and not knowing their roles and responsibilities. In short, I think they are confused. You have to remember that most football players have the IQ of a dropped ice cream, and you can't over complicate things for them. I thinks thats probably a major reason for the 'transitions' being all.overr the place and gaps right across the park which others play through with ease.

The players are also culpable to this piss poor start to the season, but you can either sit tight and just prey things and ideas will finally drop and we click, or you actively get rid of some of the problem. You can either move on a load of players who dont understand and who aren't capable of playing in a set system, or you tell the manager to change things quickly or he will be the one out of the door. When you consider you can bring in a new manager at any time and not just in a transfer window, then you see why clubs just sack the manager (rightly or wrongly) rather than moving on a load of players. Its the easy 'solution' for them.

 

[Booker4]

I think his major error was trying to install a new system to quickly .
These lads got used to 4-2-3-1 last season, I think with his progressive attacking idea's IMO he'd have started better sticking with it and improving it .
There's a lot of chins on chests atm . Let's get the next 10 days of the window out of the way and see how they come out of the traps after the international break. When they've had two weeks together with hopefully new players on top of the ones we've already signed.
UTB

This is my view but with a more negative stance. Let's sign some decent players this week as that has to be the focus. Then give Selles up to and including the Charlton game to get some results. If I'm honest I don't see this improving much even with new signings but if it does then he deserves more time.

I'd rather Selles do really badly than just mid table because we should be aiming for top six regardless and if he can't achieve that then he should be sacked. He's made good players look poor thus far. I wasn't convinced when he was appointed but I was prepared to give him a go, but even the most pessimistic of Blades fans wouldn't have predicted this.

I suspect it will be sign some better players then bring in a manager who is proven.

 

[moody1889]

The fact that 52% of all fans on here think he should be sacked after 4 games is damning of how poor Selles is.

The reason so many are calling for his head is because it is blatantly obvious he is out of his depth.

 

[Dkc]

The fact that 52% of all fans on here think he should be sacked after 4 games is damning of how poor Selles is.

...or how impatient our society has become

 

[Railway Blade]

I have to say, whilst very unprofessional on their part, it does look like the players are confused, not happy as a group, and have started squabbling amongst themselves at times in the pitch. That comes from frustration and not knowing their roles and responsibilities. In short, I think they are confused. You have to remember that most football players have the IQ of a dropped ice cream, and you can't over complicate things for them. I thinks thats probably a major reason for the 'transitions' being all.overr the place and gaps right across the park which others play through with ease.

While not very nice and a bit of a generalisation this had me laughing out loud.

I do apologise.

 

[Aston max]

The fact that 52% of all fans on here think he should be sacked after 4 games is damning of how poor Selles is.

The reason so many are calling for his head is because it is blatantly obvious he is out of his depth.

I think he's suffering from expectation from utd fans , I don't want any of us to come over as entitled ( but sadly there's a lot of them) We've just had 8/10 years of relative success with forays into the EPL , I was actually hoping ( he wasn't the target I wanted us to go for ) that he'd succeed (maybe he will) because I just wanted to get away from turgid inflexible football and the I'm in charge ( god ) and you have no right to criticise me attitude.
I think a lot of fans expected us to recruit someone of peps ilk and not a hull/reading reject .

 

[Hartley Hare]

I woke up this morning and my skin is getting so thick I reckon my shirt wont fit next week, unless we win.

I agree with a few other comments his record does not instil confidence.

If we are still bottom at the end of September he will get the bullet.

HH

 

[54yrblade]

IF Wilder was to return, which hopefully he won't, I do wonder what the outpouring on here would be if he lost his first 4 or 5 games.

I'd actually really be interested to watch that play out.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I have to say, whilst very unprofessional on their part, it does look like the players are confused, not happy as a group, and have started squabbling amongst themselves at times in the pitch. That comes from frustration and not knowing their roles and responsibilities. In short, I think they are confused. You have to remember that most football players have the IQ of a dropped ice cream, and you can't over complicate things for them. I thinks thats probably a major reason for the 'transitions' being all.overr the place and gaps right across the park which others play through with ease.

The players are also culpable to this piss poor start to the season, but you can either sit tight and just prey things and ideas will finally drop and we click, or you actively get rid of some of the problem. You can either move on a load of players who dont understand and who aren't capable of playing in a set system, or you tell the manager to change things quickly or he will be the one out of the door. When you consider you can bring in a new manager at any time and not just in a transfer window, then you see why clubs just sack the manager (rightly or wrongly) rather than moving on a load of players. Its the easy 'solution' for them.

I’m expecting a new manager in by October. I also think that, no matter who comes in next, a number of players have big question marks against them for the future. There are some weak minds amongst them, they demonstrated that at the end of last season and it has become unquestionable now. I’m glad we’re in a period of transition and most of them will be gone over the next couple of years, there are very few we would want for the long haul.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

The fact that 52% of all fans on here think he should be sacked after 4 games is damning of how poor Selles is.

The reason so many are calling for his head is because it is blatantly obvious he is out of his depth.

For this forum, 52% at this stage is really quite remarkable

 

[WSMBlade]

While not very nice and a bit of a generalisation this had me laughing out loud.

I do apologise.

Me too….. the PMSL bit

I voted not yet, not because I think we will turn it around, but because firing RS this quickly will not improve our chances of attracting a quality replacement…

Several of the better names on the bookies lists publicly expressed surprise/disappointment that Wilder was sacked after Wembley… after the 92 points etc etc (I wasn’t against a change in direction personally)

If we sack his replacement this quickly, any credible next manager would likely not want to touch us with a barge pole…

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

It's been grim of course, but I think it's worth remembering that in 2016 Wilder's record by the same date was:

6th August - Bolton 1-0 Sheffield United
9th August - Sheffield United 1-2 Crewe (EFL Cup)
13th August - Sheffield United 1-1 Rochdale
16th August - Sheffield United 0-3 Southend
20th August - Millwall (ironically) 2-1 Sheffield United

Yes, I know that we're unlikely to win 11 out of the next 14 and get to 100 points to repeat history - but to me personally it seems like we should be judging this more by November/December time.

Also...if we sack him now, what happens if the new manager loses his first 3 or 4 games as well? Do we sack them as well?

I'm sure if someone could be bothered, I would expect the same people who are demanding we bomb selles out were saying the EXACT same thing about wilder after 4 games.

For me the 2nd half against Millwall was much better - much like Wilders loss against them.

Everyone has some blame in how the first 4 matches have gone.
1. Owners/CEO spent too long changing the manager meaning we missed out on key free transfer targets.
2. Recruitment has been a shambles (once again) meaning we are massively under strength throughout August.
3. The players need to take responsibility for individual performances, effort and mentality.
4. Selles needs to take responsibility for some of the tactical decisions like Cannon on the right wing, or keeping Peck on his own in the middle. I don't think his style of play is "too difficult" for players to understand at all. It seems pretty basic philosophy to be honest.
5. Fans - for some of these fans to jeer off RND in his first game sums some of us up. He's a player who has always put in 100% effort, came through a really bad injury, and was one of many who struggled against Bristol but certainly not the only one. Things like this breed a toxic atmosphere and an "us and them" attitude.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I'm sure if someone could be bothered, I would expect the same people who are demanding we bomb selles out were saying the EXACT same thing about wilder after 4 games.

For me the 2nd half against Millwall was much better - much like Wilders loss against them.

Everyone has some blame in how the first 4 matches have gone.
1. Owners/CEO spent too long changing the manager meaning we missed out on key free transfer targets.
2. Recruitment has been a shambles (once again) meaning we are massively under strength throughout August.
3. The players need to take responsibility for individual performances, effort and mentality.
4. Selles needs to take responsibility for some of the tactical decisions like Cannon on the right wing, or keeping Peck on his own in the middle. I don't think his style of play is "too difficult" for players to understand at all. It seems pretty basic philosophy to be honest.
5. Fans - for some of these fans to jeer off RND in his first game sums some of us up. He's a player who has always put in 100% effort, came through a really bad injury, and was one of many who struggled against Bristol but certainly not the only one. Things like this breed a toxic atmosphere and an "us and them" attitude.

Most sensible post I’ve seen this weekend. I think everyone from owners down need to take a look at themselves and that includes the fans.

 

[metalblade]

This is my view but with a more negative stance. Let's sign some decent players this week as that has to be the focus. Then give Selles up to and including the Charlton game to get some results. If I'm honest I don't see this improving much even with new signings but if it does then he deserves more time.

I'd rather Selles do really badly than just mid table because we should be aiming for top six regardless and if he can't achieve that then he should be sacked. He's made good players look poor thus far. I wasn't convinced when he was appointed but I was prepared to give him a go, but even the most pessimistic of Blades fans wouldn't have predicted this.

I suspect it will be sign some better players then bring in a manager who is proven.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Champagneblade]

I was all for Selles, but picking Cannon at right wing and resorting back to the same formation that was woeful v Brizzle did it for me. No excuses, I think anyone who saw that teamsheet and Peck on his own in midfield must have felt the same. Millwall are tough, but not a great footballing team. They had us on the rack for the full first half. Where was Soumare? Had the Selles gang not studied Millwall ? This shows a complete lack of understanding imo. You could see that the rest of the team would not pass to Cannon, except Mee, knowing the attack would end there. It was like having their right arm cut off. So we had an even worse scenatio than Brzzle, 4 games ago. He has learnt nothing. If Millwall could finish, the result would have been the same if not worse. Selles has to go in my opinion, and immediately or this crisis will deepen. It may be too late already for this transfer window. If we lose Hamer and Campbell we are knackered, and I'm sure their agents are shouting get out now!

I liked the idea of free flowing attacking football. So what if we let in 3 as long as we score 5. But we haven't got that. We have a nervous, shell shocked and now unmotivated team who are questioning the manager and his tactics.

Im not one for bed wetting or begging Chris to come back. I just think we have a serious problem here that needs resolving before it gets worse. Im sure many are like me in not quite understanding Selles in his interviews. He is drab, uninspiring, unclear and pretty depressing to listen to. I rarely get to the end of an interview before I turn it off. Think how you would feel if he was your boss?

So, to COH, you've tried the American tech bro method at SUFC. Its not working. This is a blood and guts football club. The original home of football, not an AI inspired video game. Wipe the slate clean, and quickly, or your investments will fail miserably.

Sack Selles immediately, bring in an immediate caretaker manager to steady the ship. Think long and hard before your next appointment.
Personally id go for Michael Carrick as caretaker with a view to a longer term contract if he does well. Why do we give long contracts all the time?
I think he could be a good fit for us and possibly premier league standard given the tools. Boro always pulled the rug on him imo.

It was strange to acknowledge Peck couldn’t do it on his own and bring in Soumaré against Swansea only to then revert back to what he knew didn’t work in the last home game.

 

[Nick Jansky]

It was strange to acknowledge Peck couldn’t do it on his own and bring in Soumaré against Swansea only to then revert back to what he knew didn’t work in the last home game.

Maybe that was down to available personnel. Soumare had a knock.

 

[FMBlade1]

For this forum, 52% at this stage is really quite remarkable

The only comparison I can recall would be the reaction after this:

BBC Sport - Football - Sheff Utd 0-3 QPR

news.bbc.co.uk

We've just gone over the 1000 votes mark for this poll, all of whom are members on the most respected SUFC forum/message board.

It really is quite remarkable indeed that more than half want him gone, just shows the strength of feeling.

Just 1 in 5 are adamant that we shouldn't be looking at sacking him.

 

[prescotblade]

Isn’t it strange that football is an avenue to let out all your frustrations. Which seems go for all football clubs. We need to have something to moan about.
I agree with the previous post the whole club needs to look at this present situation.
Think Selles could be the sacrificial lamb, which is wrong.
Don’t expect the board to acknowledge they were wrong. More worrying surely there are football people at the club who should have been advising the owners.
I can’t believe when we are know for being straight talkers that nothing has been said, probably not listened to.
No club has the right to be in any league and they all have their up and downs. Maybe it’s our turn, and need to be strong.