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[TJB.]

There is nothing so satisfying as seeing a bunch of adult men squabbling and bitching about pretty much fuck all. Seriously. I include myself in that.

I bloody love forums for this lark. I really do.

Sometimes you just have to put the civilised debate to one side and bring out the slingshot and the used nappies.

 

[northsomersetblade]

Word of the thread (and there have been many words )

I'll raise you to salubrious

 

[oldblade]

Um. Bankruptcy got Leicester the Premier League title last season and Scumpton in Europe.

I'm glad we have McCabe, like.

pommpey

I take your point that Leicester may well have actually benefited from going bankrupt especially with there no points deductions for doing that in those days, but to stretch it to actually being the reason they won the league title some 13 years later is a bit of a stretch too far. No one knows what would have happened had they not gone bankrupt.

As for us, I am proud of the club I support and would never ever want us to go bankrupt. In that respect, yes I am glad we have McCabe.

 

[Tyler Durden]

This is why there should be a Classic Threads section.

 

[pommpey]

I take your point that Leicester may well have actually benefited from going bankrupt especially with there no points deductions for doing that in those days, but to stretch it to actually being the reason they won the league title some 13 years later is a bit of a stretch too far. No one knows what would have happened had they not gone bankrupt.

As for us, I am proud of the club I support and would never ever want us to go bankrupt. In that respect, yes I am glad we have McCabe.

I'd take the PL Title and Europe. Call me picky, like.

One choice has us in div 3 for light years, the other is unimaginable, but desirable, nonetheless.

pommpey

 

[oldblade]

I'd take the PL Title and Europe. Call me picky, like.

One choice has us in div 3 for light years, the other is unimaginable, but desirable, nonetheless.

pommpey

Yes, but there is no way that you can say that their league title happened as a direct result of their bankruptcy 13 years ago.

We ended up in the 4th division 35 years ago. That 4th division season was a good season. Very enjoyable. But the fact we ever went that low is still a stain on our history that will never ever go away. As far as I am concerned, bankruptcy would be a similar indelible stain, and just because Leicester won the league title 13 years later it doesn't necessarily follow that we will.

 

[pommpey]

Yes, but there is no way that you can say that their league title happened as a direct result of their bankruptcy 13 years ago.

We ended up in the 4th division 35 years ago. That 4th division season was a good season. Very enjoyable. But the fact we ever went that low is still a stain on our history that will never ever go away. As far as I am concerned, bankruptcy would be a similar indelible stain, and just because Leicester won the league title 13 years later it doesn't necessarily follow that we will.

I'll take the PL Title over the stain.

ponmmpey

 

[oldblade]

I'll take the PL Title over the stain.

ponmmpey

So would most people, but you are saying that their bankruptcy 13 years ago "got" them the title last season. There were 13 years in between the two events where any number of variables occurred, so you cannot reasonably say the bankruptcy led directly to the title.

I don't know how many, but I am pretty sure a fair number of other clubs also went bankrupt during that 13 year period. None of them have won the title.

 

[metalblade]

Jesus Christ 20 pages now, fuck me we win a few games and once more McCabe is elevated to God like status, little wonder this club will never win owt in our lifetime with fans like this who will settle for any old shite. Wilder has a larger task than he could have ever imagined to turn this club round an instil a wining mentality. Sorry and all that but we live in one of the six largest cities in the UK yet we have to be happy to be high up in league fuckin one. One thing is for sure you won't see this over in S6, no only in S2, set of fuckin losers if you ask me.
20,000 attend every other week, more than most teams in the Championship and some in the Premiership yet no fucker wants to put a few quid into a club that should be up there with the likes of Liverpool and Everton both from a city of comparable size to Sheffield, you know as we were over 20 years ago. If McCabe can't take the club forward then it is time to step aside and let someone else have a go of getting the club out of this limbo

 

[Bert]

. One thing is for sure you won't see this over in S6, no only in S2, set of fuckin losers if you ask me.

True colours exposed during drunken rant.

 

[pommpey]

So would most people, but you are saying that their bankruptcy 13 years ago "got" them the title last season. There were 13 years in between the two events where any number of variables occurred, so you cannot reasonably say the bankruptcy led directly to the title.

I don't know how many, but I am pretty sure a fair number of other clubs also went bankrupt during that 13 year period. None of them have won the title.

You didn't mention them.

Leicester, regardless of timescale, went bankrupt and their stain means jack shit these days when they are dicking Man City 4-1 and in the Champions League

Scumpton - big stadium, international players, Europe.

I understand what you are saying regarding 'not going bankrupt' but tying McCabe in as some kind of magnanimous savior of our club is frankly bollocks. McCabe didn't want to see his investment slip round the u-bend and sold our players. Well done like, but that means disgruntled fans and a div three hiatus. Whilst I am sure he can live with this, I am not so easily pleased.

Best he's prepared to fulfil his pledge that if we are promoted (which I fully expect and demand, given the breath of life Wilder has puffed into our lungs) he damned well stumps up real cash to make us Championship-proof. Although we look a potent force now, we will have snags against a newly dropped Middlesborough, Sunderland, or Swansea or one or two contenders in the Championship.

pommpey

 

[metalblade]

True colours exposed during drunken rant.

Back to your Cuban care home, way past your bedtime don't forget your Tena pads.

 

[oldblade]

You didn't mention them.

Leicester, regardless of timescale, went bankrupt and their stain means jack shit these days when they are dicking Man City 4-1 and in the Champions League

Scumpton - big stadium, international players, Europe.

I understand what you are saying regarding 'not going bankrupt' but tying McCabe in as some kind of magnanimous savior of our club is frankly bollocks. McCabe didn't want to see his investment slip round the u-bend and sold our players. Well done like, but that means disgruntled fans and a div three hiatus. Whilst I am sure he can live with this, I am not so easily pleased.

Best he's prepared to fulfil his pledge that if we are promoted (which I fully expect and demand, given the breath of life Wilder has puffed into our lungs) he damned well stumps up real cash to make us Championship-proof. Although we look a potent force now, we will have snags against a newly dropped Middlesborough, Sunderland, or Swansea or one or two contenders in the Championship.

pommpey

When Leicester went bankrupt there was no points deduction. So really they suffered no penalty at all for going into administration. I don't know for sure, but suspect that it was because of what clubs like Leicester did at that time that points deductions were subsequently introduced. The fact they beat Manchester City 4-2 (not 4-1!!) 13 years later is neither here nor there. That could have happened anyway for all we know, or maybe they would have been taken over by a different set of richer people and won 10-2.

I don't think you will be able to find any post of mine anywhere that ties "McCabe in as some kind of magnanimous saviour of our club". But for the record I do acknowledge that he has put a substantial amount of money into this club over the years, and I do think we could have done far, far worse than have him as our owner. Which is not to say that others could not have done better (or worse).

As I understand it, McCabe has already fulfilled his pledge and written off millions of pounds worth of debt. I thought it was down to the Prince to finance us once (if!) we got promoted. Maybe I have misunderstood the arrangement.

 

[spongebobblade]

Yep. Nearly there. ...
Home straight...
Light at the end of the tunnel...
Closing arguments next for a couple of days or so ...
And then the jury retires to consider its verdict.

Until the next set of accounts are in

 

[Woodwardfan]

Looks like McCabes expected to invest atvthe next level Woody but the money he's put in over the last few years doesn't count. Presumably the Princes input doesn't either? Oh, and the Desso isn't anninvestment either.

"Woody", err, much too pally for me thanks Sean. especially on a thread like this.

 

[Bladesway]

This is why there should be a Classic Threads section.

Can it be put into a special area that is locked down and no one can ever read. Like all those special Next seasons kit, or how do I iron off the logo on the shirt. Because like Christmas you know it's coming round again.

 

[TBW57]

Um. Bankruptcy got Leicester the Premier League title last season and Scumpton in Europe.

I'm glad we have McCabe, like.

pommpey

Aye. It did great things for your hometown club Portsmouth as well, Pommpey.

The fact that you refer to Southampton as Scumpton suggests to me that you feel some loyalty to their local rivals PFC. Have you thought of going onto Portsmouth's forum and complaining about how badly they are run? It would be much more valid than the stuff you have posted about Sheffield United.

Football is only a game, you know. There's no rule that says you have to follow Sheffield United if you don't want to. If it makes you so unhappy then I'm sure there are other things you can do that you would enjoy a lot more. Probably not in Portsmouth, mind.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Can it be put into a special area that is locked down and no one can ever read. Like all those special Next seasons kit, or how do I iron off the logo on the shirt. Because like Christmas you know it's coming round again.

Actually Bladesway you have served your time on message churn from the years 2012 to 2015 that I know of. I'm sure you were an expert on "copy and paste" too. Nobody has repetitively slagged off McCabe more than you I guess, but then we all got our Xmas present early when Wilder was appointed and results improved and it stopped coming round again and it's somewhere in a special area I guess, maybe just on hold.

 

[Bladesway]

Actually Bladesway you have served your time on message churn from the years 2012 to 2015 that I know of. I'm sure you were an expert on "copy and paste" too. Nobody has repetitively slagged off McCabe more than you I guess, but then we all got our Xmas present early when Wilder was appointed and results improved and it stopped coming round again and it's somewhere in a special area I guess, maybe just on hold.

If you bothered to read my previous post in this thread it was very much a "things are going well that the hell are we scrapping in a heap over". I also said McCabe has done many things wrong which we have rightly chucked rocks at him for however, now things are going right he has to take equal praise. I am vociferous in my condemnation of the past and what happened so its a lesson we never repeat, but I am equally respectful of the fact that things are going well now, so we should all push in one direction and praise what has been achieved.

You preach leadership. I believe credibility and authenticity are a big part of that. I am being credible and authentic in not being critical or making points for the sake of making points. However, if things go off the rails be sure you will hear my point of view.

P.S you didn't join the forum until 2013 so surely you haven't been so sad as to hunt down my posts from 2012?

 

[pommpey]

Aye. It did great things for your hometown club Portsmouth as well, Pommpey.

The fact that you refer to Southampton as Scumpton suggests to me that you feel some loyalty to their local rivals PFC. Have you thought of going onto Portsmouth's forum and complaining about how badly they are run? It would be much more valid than the stuff you have posted about Sheffield United.

Football is only a game, you know. There's no rule that says you have to follow Sheffield United if you don't want to. If it makes you so unhappy then I'm sure there are other things you can do that you would enjoy a lot more. Probably not in Portsmouth, mind.

What a cock. Sorry feller, but you epitomise the 'me a bigger Blade' mentality and it sucks. I support Sheffield United because I was born in Sheffield and grew up as a Unitedite. I have retained by allegience with my club since I left Sheffield in 1979 (when we were in serious shit street) and have seen the club go through the gamut of highs and low since. Why should I support Pompey? I look out for them and am glad when they win, and look out for my local team Gosport Borough. But I am not a supporter of theirs.

And I am not unhappy being a Blade. I am unhappy at their continued lack of success, despite all efforts (like a high attendance rate every other Saturday and the plethora of decent players seen through our books) to bring us into the footballing region where I belong.

If your expectations of Sheffield United are set so low, then it is your problem. Maybe you are the problem being in the stadium week after week and being conditioned to accept dogshit and the inevitable flogging of players to buy nice playing surfaces.

Edit> BTW. Pompey's bankruptcy and demise was entirely different in circumstance to our situation and the main touchpapers, Milandric and later Gaydemac, had the decency to fuck off when their game was up. They also bought players for a price and wage way above what was coming in in revenue, based upon future income predictions on expansion. In the case of Milandric, his plans to expand the club and build on their PL status was stubbed by Portsmouth City Council, who are, to a man, a whole trayful of cunts, arseholes and more cunts.

pommpey

 

[Bladeloyal]

What a cock. Sorry feller, but you epitomise the 'me a bigger Blade' mentality and it sucks. I support Sheffield United because I was born in Sheffield and grew up as a Unitedite. I have retained by allegience with my club since I left Sheffield in 1979 (when we were in serious shit street) and have seen the club go through the gamut of highs and low since. Why should I support Pompey? I look out for them and am glad when they win, and look out for my local team Gosport Borough. But I am not a supporter of theirs.

And I am not unhappy being a Blade. I am unhappy at their continued lack of success, despite all efforts (like a high attendance rate every other Saturday and the plethora of decent players seen through our books) to bring us into the footballing region where I belong.

If your expectations of Sheffield United are set so low, then it is your problem. Maybe you are the problem being in the stadium week after week and being conditioned to accept dogshit and the inevitable flogging of players to buy nice playing surfaces.

pommpey

Pommpey keep your dogs and their dogshit of murphys desso ,thank you very much

 

[MobileBlade]

Can it be put into a special area that is locked down and no one can ever read. Like all those special Next seasons kit, or how do I iron off the logo on the shirt. Because like Christmas you know it's coming round again.

And fax machine jokes come January
And GCB for the Nokia
And whether Michael Palin is a Blade or a Pig (Pole to Pole is currently being re-run on the Travel Channel and he definitely says on one of the episodes "my team Sheffield Wednesday"
Etc.

 

[metalblade]

I have a Blades cover for a Nokia 3210 if that helps

 

[TJB.]

fuck me we win a few games and once more McCabe is elevated to God like status

Just because he's not being slated to fuck doesn't mean he's achieved 'God like status'.

Find me a post that says 'I love McCabe' or words of that ilk. Rarer than a dog with a driving licence.

 

[Woodwardfan]

If you bothered to read my previous post in this thread it was very much a "things are going well that the hell are we scrapping in a heap over". I also said McCabe has done many things wrong which we have rightly chucked rocks at him for however, now things are going right he has to take equal praise. I am vociferous in my condemnation of the past and what happened so its a lesson we never repeat, but I am equally respectful of the fact that things are going well now, so we should all push in one direction and praise what has been achieved.

You preach leadership. I believe credibility and authenticity are a big part of that. I am being credible and authentic in not being critical or making points for the sake of making points. However, if things go off the rails be sure you will hear my point of view.

P.S you didn't join the forum until 2013 so surely you haven't been so sad as to hunt down my posts from 2012?

I wrote the post because I got the impression you were trying to tell posters what to do and say !!

True irony after you'd lectured me the day before!! Particularly when it's stuff you have done so much yourself. Funny old life.

As for 2012 I felt for sure we'd covered Weir and Clough's appointment and the prince's arrival in 2012, we certainly have since!!

 

[Barney]

As for 2012 I felt for sure we'd covered Weir and Clough's appointment and the prince's arrival in 2012

Err, bit tricky considering you joined in April 2013.

Have you taken your meds today WWF?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Err, bit tricky considering you joined in April 2013.

Have you taken your meds today WWF?

You're in with sloppy seconds on that one Barney. Keep up.

 

[I should coco]

I take your point that Leicester may well have actually benefited from going bankrupt especially with there no points deductions for doing that in those days, but to stretch it to actually being the reason they won the league title some 13 years later is a bit of a stretch too far. No one knows what would have happened had they not gone bankrupt.

As for us, I am proud of the club I support and would never ever want us to go bankrupt. In that respect, yes I am glad we have McCabe.

Leicester got a free stadium by not paying their builders and no points deduction. Does anyone actually understand what we would achieve by doing similar?

We'd 'gain' a few hundred thousand pounds by not paying the programme printers, coach firm and St Johns ambulance. We'd still have to pay out all the player's contracts and any transfer fee balances owing, per EFL rules. Hardly a massive bonanza is it?

BTW, individuals 'go bankrupt'. Football clubs are limited companies and so go into adminstration initially and then are wound up in liquidation.
Pedant's corner I know, but at least try to make to make it look like you know what you are talking about (not aimed at Oldblade in particular, just a general point).

 

[I should coco]

If McCabe can't take the club forward then it is time to step aside and let someone else have a go of getting the club out of this limbo

Don't you think he's tried that?

The queue of prospective investors with long pockets and honest intentions, wasn't that long.....

Would you be happy if he'd handed us over to someone like Wendy's Azerbedjan suitor? You know, the one with the big talk and no cash.

 

[BushBlade]

Leicester got a free stadium by not paying their builders and no points deduction. Does anyone actually understand what we would achieve by doing similar?

We'd 'gain' a few hundred thousand pounds by not paying the programme printers, coach firm and St Johns ambulance. We'd still have to pay out all the player's contracts and any transfer fee balances owing, per EFL rules. Hardly a massive bonanza is it?

BTW, individuals 'go bankrupt'. Football clubs are limited companies and so go into adminstration initially and then are wound up in liquidation.
Pedant's corner I know, but at least try to make to make it look like you know what you are talking about (not aimed at Oldblade in particular, just a general point).

I doubt they got a free stadium as the builders would have been on staged payments. I imagine 'they' got a stadium for less than the agreed price.

And 'they' being the owners of the club, would have got nothing because once you enter into administration, you are no longer an owner. The club is taken over by the administrators who look to sell it to cover some of the outstanding debts.

Where clubs can benefit from administration is that a new owner can pick the club up at much less than its potential worth and usually do so with the intention of investing in the club. If they do that wisely, then the club is likely to perform better than it did, as was the case with Leicester, eventually.
The downside is that one reckless owner can be replaced with another and the cycle just continues, as was the case with Portsmouth.