Sheffield United Ltd Accounts

[Barney]

Come on Barney..... we don't need links to posts for that one. It's crept up numerous times over the years. Even you can't fail to have noticed

Oh, over the years yes. Personally I haven't and never will make that point as it is bonkers and McCabe will never be ill intentioned at least. But my apologies I thought you were referring to arguments made in this thread.

 

[raul]

Are we not lottery funded?

We are Devo.

 

[Bert]

A lot of Blades live around the country and can't get to matches here, but most of them have enough sense not to make negative comments on performances they haven't seen, like the first half against Swindon for example.

Who on earth would be that stupid?

 

[Woodwardfan]

It shouldn't have been used to pay running costs this is the point. It should have been reinvested in first team player additions which it famously wasn't.

You may not understand or believe this Barney but your half owner is planning a return to the Premier League. Such expense as the facilities at the ground, the pitch, the Academy, the training facilities, the management structure over the years including highly paid Chief Execs in the past, have all been expenses incurred in anticipation of a return to the Premier League.

When the first couple of stages of that strategy fail, including a £23.5m player wages bill in our first season down in the Championship, everything after that is an act of faith, several big annual cheques to subsidise losses and plenty of sleepless nights for KM and muself included.

To harp on about peripheral details is counter-productive, massochistic and plain mutinous. I've asked you before, why not give yourself a new lease of life and just shut up and enjoy whatever is in store. For sure, you are not helping anyone, in particular yourself.

This is a poor thread and you are not a helpful Blade, in fact you are a Blade who helps nobody.

 

[Grappler]

Anyone throw any light on who funds the ongoing losses? I've always thought it was the owners but apparently not. Anyone?

 

[I should coco]

It shouldn't have been used to pay running costs this is the point. It should have been reinvested in first team player additions which it famously wasn't.

FFS WHY "shouldn't it" have been?

Is there some new law I missed, whereby McCabe has to fund all running expense losses from his own pocket, but all player sales have to be put in a special 'treats jar', only to be spent on player purchases?

Are you really that stupid that you don't understand that wages are as much of a cash outflow as transfer fees?

On second thoughts, don't answer that.

 

[Barney]

FFS WHY "shouldn't it" have been?

Is there some new law I missed, whereby McCabe has to fund all running expense losses from his own pocket, but all player sales have to be put in a special 'treats jar', only to be spent on player purchases?

Are you really that stupid that you don't understand that wages are as much of a cash outflow as transfer fees?

On second thoughts, don't answer that.

Depends what the figures are of course. But anyway I'll leave it there as it's quite clear we ain't gonna agree.

 

[Harry's Game]

 

[pommpey]

PRAISE DE LAWD! It's like listening to born again Christians on here.

Unless I've missed it, nobody has suggested a good reason why Kevin McCabe would deliberately choose to sabotage the club's playing prospects by selling players who don't want to leave. What would he have to gain by doing so?

Hmmm. Let's have a look ...

Or is the argument that he is simply too stingy to fund a promotion challenge? If so, why did he become a director at all?

Not stingy. Inept, maybe. And he became a director out of ambition and goodwill for a team he supports.

If anyone thinks he is using United to increase his own personal wealth at the expense of the club's progress on the pitch, then please have the guts to say so.

No one, not even me, has suggested that. I don't think he is ripping the club off, and I don't think he ever will. I think he has presided over nearly ten years of decline largely (though not entirely) through his incompetence.

If you are just arguing that he is no good as a businessman, then apply to be on the next series of The Apprentice to discover how simple and what fun it is.

Is that what you gauge as 'being a good businessman'? Doing shit 'cobbled up' supposed project management tasks for the BBC?

From where I sit one of the keys to United's success so far this season, based on speed and accurate passing, is the lovely pitch that suits the skills of the players and doesn't turn into a mudbath like we saw when Fulham came to the Lane in the Cup. Better players play better football on better surfaces. Bad pitches are more likely to drag them down to the level of everyone else. Unless you actually attend matches at the Lane there's no way you can appreciate this fact.

No. I'd say this season is down to Wilder and certain signings he has brought in, coupled with a strengthening of the central back four. We don't ship goals as much as we used to. And if I look at the results and read match write ups, I don't need to live in Sheffield and attend matches to make judgement on this. The pitch is window dressing. With the right players and the right attitude, w can be a formidable side on any surface. We have won away this season on non-Desso pitches, so your argument fails right there.

A lot of Blades live around the country and can't get to matches here, but most of them have enough sense not to make negative comments on performances they haven't seen, like the first half against Swindon for example. Has it not occurred to the begrudgers that one of the reasons we are seeing such exciting football at the moment is that we have a pitch which enhances, rather than negates, the advantage of having more skilful players than the opposition?

So, with your measure, and the pitch and the players, why were we not 3-0 up against Swindon at half time? Why did we ship a worryingly soft goal against Shrewsbury and why did we labour to win against Bury, and fail against Walsall? All on the beloved Desso pitch.

Don't bother answering. I am used to people not giving straight responses on here and retorting to ad hominem.

pommpey

 

[I should coco]

So, with your measure, and the pitch and the players, why were we not 3-0 up against Swindon at half time? Why did we ship a worryingly soft goal against Shrewsbury and why did we labour to win against Bury, and fail against Walsall? All on the beloved Desso pitch.

It's obvious.

McCabe doesn't want us to go up as FFP would insist the door on trap 3 of the Kop lower bogs be fixed. The whole squad are on backhanders to keep slipping up but until you came along, only those pesky kids had spotted it..

In the unlikely event we make the top 2 by the last home game, there will be a whole platoon of snipers on that grassy knoll.

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

 

[Rodley]

PRAISE DE LAWD! It's like listening to born again Christians on here.



Hmmm. Let's have a look ...



Not stingy. Inept, maybe. And he became a director out of ambition and goodwill for a team he supports.



No one, not even me, has suggested that. I don't think he is ripping the club off, and I don't think he ever will. I think he has presided over nearly ten years of decline largely (though not entirely) through his incompetence.



Is that what you gauge as 'being a good businessman'? Doing shit 'cobbled up' supposed project management tasks for the BBC?



No. I'd say this season is down to Wilder and certain signings he has brought in, coupled with a strengthening of the central back four. We don't ship goals as much as we used to. And if I look at the results and read match write ups, I don't need to live in Sheffield and attend matches to make judgement on this. The pitch is window dressing. With the right players and the right attitude, w can be a formidable side on any surface. We have won away this season on non-Desso pitches, so your argument fails right there.



So, with your measure, and the pitch and the players, why were we not 3-0 up against Swindon at half time? Why did we ship a worryingly soft goal against Shrewsbury and why did we labour to win against Bury, and fail against Walsall? All on the beloved Desso pitch.

Don't bother answering. I am used to people not giving straight responses on here and retorting to ad hominem.

pommpey

"Did someone mention Desso?"

 

[pommpey]

It's obvious.

McCabe doesn't want us to go up as FFP would insist the door on trap 3 of the Kop lower bogs be fixed. The whole squad are on backhanders to keep slipping up but until you came along, only those pesky kids had spotted it..

In the unlikely event we make the top 2 by the last home game, there will be a whole platoon of snipers on that grassy knoll.

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

Feller, I think we are used to this measure of optimism now, dismay on 31 Jan and disappointment come May.

If McCabe doesn't sell some or all of our key asssets this season and even buys an addition where it is needed (to replace the exiting EEL, for example) then I will be confident. Can you see him doing that, or are you just clapping for the sake of it?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

"Did someone mention Desso?"

Is that you, Rodly?

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

Feller, I think we are used to this measure of optimism now, dismay on 31 Jan and disappointment come May.

If McCabe doesn't sell some or all of our key asssets this season and even buys an addition where it is needed (to replace the exiting EEL, for example) then I will be confident. Can you see him doing that, or are you just clapping for the sake of it?

pommpey

Everything about that post shows a man or woman who is almost wishing failure on us.

 

[Bartyblade]

PRAISE DE LAWD! It's like listening to born again Christians on here.



Hmmm. Let's have a look ...
here's a straight answer - you might think you know a lot about the game of football, but you don't seem to know anything about running a pro football club.
All the things you constantly moan about are being done in boardrooms and managers offices up and down the country.
In some cases it works, in others it doesn't.
No one really knows in advance whether they will succeed or not, but all start with high hopes that THIS TIME they'll crack it.
It's what makes football a joy or a misery.
If you can take that on board you might be able to support the Blades again.



Not stingy. Inept, maybe. And he became a director out of ambition and goodwill for a team he supports.



No one, not even me, has suggested that. I don't think he is ripping the club off, and I don't think he ever will. I think he has presided over nearly ten years of decline largely (though not entirely) through his incompetence.



Is that what you gauge as 'being a good businessman'? Doing shit 'cobbled up' supposed project management tasks for the BBC?



No. I'd say this season is down to Wilder and certain signings he has brought in, coupled with a strengthening of the central back four. We don't ship goals as much as we used to. And if I look at the results and read match write ups, I don't need to live in Sheffield and attend matches to make judgement on this. The pitch is window dressing. With the right players and the right attitude, w can be a formidable side on any surface. We have won away this season on non-Desso pitches, so your argument fails right there.



So, with your measure, and the pitch and the players, why were we not 3-0 up against Swindon at half time? Why did we ship a worryingly soft goal against Shrewsbury and why did we labour to win against Bury, and fail against Walsall? All on the beloved Desso pitch.

Don't bother answering. I am used to people not giving straight responses on here and retorting to ad hominem.

pommpey

 

[I should coco]

If McCabe doesn't sell some or all of our key asssets this season and even buys an addition where it is needed (to replace the exiting EEL, for example) then I will be confident. Can you see him doing that, or are you just clapping for the sake of it?

I'd like to think that KM has learnt his lesson and will go for the shit or bust option.

Fair to say tough, that we will probably have lost another £1-£2m in the first half of the season though, so he will be tempted if an offer comes along.

Quite why people think he should continue funding losses indefinitely, I struggle to understand.

He might be a multi millionaire but he'd be a lot better off if him and the family trusts hadn't spunked circa £60m on the Blades.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Depends what the figures are of course. But anyway I'll leave it there as it's quite clear we ain't gonna agree.

You don't have a clue do you. Or do you just not wish to believe?

Maybe a "let's buy players tin" in the pantry.

 

[alcoblade]

I'd like to think that KM has learnt his lesson and will go for the shit or bust option.

Fair to say tough, that we will probably have lost another £1-£2m in the first half of the season though, so he will be tempted if an offer comes along.

Quite why people think he should continue funding losses indefinitely, I struggle to understand.

He might be a multi millionaire but he'd be a lot better off if him and the family trusts hadn't spunked circa £60m on the Blades.

Because many of these people don't really believe that he is funding losses, rather pocketing cash.

Only when faced with indisputable numbers that clearly show that not to be the case, do they use the last gasp retort of "that's his job".

Try asking how much these people are prepared to put in themselves for an even bigger reaction.

 

[pommpey]

Everything about that post shows a man or woman who is almost wishing failure on us.

Hold on. That's a bit disingenuous, even for you.

It's not as though w just dropped out of the CL a season ago and have retained at least the spine of a team which has been reinforced to make an immediate, credible return. Since we came down we have had promises after promises, managers after managers and sale of key players upon the same. Much of this has come out of fucking nowhere and has absolutely impacted upon our ambitions to succeed and be promoted. Why should this season be any different? We were top of the league at Xmas in 2012. That's a long time ago. Look what has happened since that happy moment.

Stop clapping and brace yourself. If the miraculous happens (as said in spite of McCabe, not because of) then great.

Then we have to strengthen to remain up there. Optimistic?

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

Hold on. That's a bit disingenuous, even for you.

It's not as though w just dropped out of the CL a season ago and have retained at least the spine of a team which has been reinforced to make an immediate, credible return. Since we came down we have had promises after promises, managers after managers and sale of key players upon the same. Much of this has come out of fucking nowhere and has absolutely impacted upon our ambitions to succeed and be promoted. Why should this season be any different? We were top of the league at Xmas in 2012. That's a long time ago. Look what has happened since that happy moment.

Stop clapping and brace yourself. If the miraculous happens (as said in spite of McCabe, not because of) then great.

Then we have to strengthen to remain up there. Optimistic?

pommpey

Pommpey, I'm not "clapping" you, I'm looking at you right between your ears. I see nothing but negativity. People like you stifle good debate and drive Blades from the Forum. It's like an "all our yesterdays" tape stuck on the same repetitious mantra churned out again and again and again.

Please tell me anything positive you have posted recently, anything at all. It's as though you wish failure upon us all.

What makes you get up in a morning and come on here to spread disunity long into the night? What spurs you on?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Depends what the figures are of course. But anyway I'll leave it there as it's quite clear we ain't gonna agree.

"Let's buy a player tin" in the pantry and just ignore the rent, the gas meter, food, bus fares, school uniforms, and tobacco. FFS.

 

[pommpey]

Pommpey, I'm not "clapping" you, I'm looking at you right between your ears. I see nothing but negativity. People like you stifle good debate and drive Blades from the Forum. It's like an "all our yesterdays" tape stuck on the same repetitious mantra churned out again and again and again.

Please tell me anything positive you have posted recently, anything at all. It's as though you wish failure upon us all.

What makes you get up in a morning and come on here to spread disunity long into the night? What spurs you on?

What crap. We are second in the league, playing some good football and I expect to see us dick Coventry tomorrow. This thread had a certain poster dig up an old argument just to look clever and it set fire to the curtains. We are still in div 3 and still a long way from the finish line, but listening to you, we are already promoted. If you don't learn from the lessons in history, you don't learn fuck all and our recent history isn't rose tinted in the manner you sing and dance about. It's almost like you like us being in this fucking division and will forgive chimps like McCabe for anything, CGI, false dawns, player sales, acquisition of inept manager like Weir and the constant rinse cycle of mediocrity the past years have been served.

If we go up, great. If we go up, I expect McCabe to further invest like he says he will. If we go up I expect us to stay up.

Do you?

pommpey

 

[west_yorks_blade]

I'm quietly confident that we will achieve resolution to this discussion very soon now.

Both sides seem open to counter arguments and seem ready to compromise.

Yep. Nearly there. ...
Home straight...
Light at the end of the tunnel...
Closing arguments next for a couple of days or so ...
And then the jury retires to consider its verdict.

 

[Barney]

"Let's buy a player tin" in the pantry and just ignore the rent, the gas meter, food, bus fares, school uniforms, and tobacco. FFS.

Go to bed mate.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yep. Nearly there. ...
Home straight...
Light at the end of the tunnel...
Closing arguments next for a couple of days or so ...
And then the jury retires to consider its verdict.

I'd just like to point out that the OP wasn't the resurrection of an old argument but about the proof* that showed people who said the rent had gone up to over a million were wrong. Then someone mentioned Murphy, started editing posts generally being mendacious and shouting "I've won" for five or six pages.


* like "facts" a dirty word for a handful on here.

 

[Sean Thornton]

"Let's buy a player tin" in the pantry and just ignore the rent, the gas meter, food, bus fares, school uniforms, and tobacco. FFS.

Looks like McCabes expected to invest atvthe next level Woody but the money he's put in over the last few years doesn't count. Presumably the Princes input doesn't either? Oh, and the Desso isn't anninvestment either.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Go to bed mate.

Before you do, have you commented on this yet?


You didn't say it ended up in someone's back pocket, but in post 278 you did say this (and I quote exactly what you wrote):

"Fuck me, it comes right back down to this:

We unnecessarily installed a Desso pitch, and then sold Murphy to pay for it."




You know, after you said you'd never said it. Just asking like

 

[FriethBlade]

Can't be arsed reading all the comments but the facts are we are 6 years into one of the more dire periods in my history of supporting this club under the mismanagement of one man. I don't think it's far from the truth to say in a 6 year period the like of Leicester and Southampton went from top division to third division back to the top via a bankruptcy apiece but we should be grateful we never went bankrupt whilst remaining in this predicament !

 

[pommpey]

Can't be arsed reading all the comments but the facts are we are 6 years into one of the more dire periods in my history of supporting this club under the mismanagement of one man. I don't think it's far from the truth to say in a 6 year period the like of Leicester and Southampton went from top division to third division back to the top via a bankruptcy apiece but we should be grateful we never went bankrupt whilst remaining in this predicament !

Um. Bankruptcy got Leicester the Premier League title last season and Scumpton in Europe.

I'm glad we have McCabe, like.

pommpey

 

[stringjunior]

mendacious

Word of the thread (and there have been many words )