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That may or may not be a good point but I admit that I haven't checked the whole thread because I don't give a fuck.
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Bert thought very differently than you did at half time, but then he did have a better view.
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This is the longest thread ever of people slagging each other off I think:
http://www.flyfishing.co.uk/salmon-fishing/343075-wye-discussion-2016-a.html
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It's nice and green and it looks great.
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Eh? It probably makes sense in a sort of quantum universe or if I read the entire thread carefully. Can I just disagree or maybe agree a little bit just to keep in touch but not make a judgment I can be criticised for. In fact just ignore me. Sorry Pomps going now. see ya.
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The first half was very enjoyable.
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Fuck me PPC, that's some crazy ass shit you be readin'
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Indeed it was, anyone who watched our labours over any point in the previous 3 years would describe it as anything but bobbah.
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Pommpey's glad. Pommpey's glad you enjoyed watching us fire ball after ball at the goal and fail to do owt.
Pommpey's observation was that since the Shrews game (and oddly, they got a goal back with nine men) we were not showing the capability we had previously. Indeed, we got beat by Walsall, didn't we? At home. After dominating the game.
Happy to help, once again.
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To be fair IYB that thread is legendary
I can imagine. My familiarity with the interweb and it's literary blazin' saddles is negligible. It's why I find comfort in your mesmeric awareness of what's worth reading.
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as a recently semi retired business analyst I now have enough time on my hands to prove to my wife I really am as sad a git as she thinks
although interesting published annual accounts (especially of subsidiaries), are a snapshot, backward looking and give you virtually no insight to the true state of a business or the reasons why seemingly stupid operating decisions are made
what you really need are the management accounts, business plan, operating budget and even then some further background to help understand the physicals behind the numbers / decisions
now, if anybody has the strictly confidential documents listed above, outside of the SUFC management, I would be surprised and also worried for the jobs of anybody who has leaked them
as an outsider you can only guess the real situation but it is also possible to create a 'business synthetic' by applying known industry norms and averages
as i had a couple of 'sad git' hours free this evening i thought i would create a synthetic SUFC budget
so for better or worse here is my analysis and a few thoughts from an oxfordshire exile - caveat is that synthetics are always wrong but with luck they turn a guess into a slightly more educated one
a key issue for the business owners will be where the club stands against the fair play wage cap (which is 60% of revenue)
- the reason for this is that it materially changes the cash injection needed to fund new players or indeed keep existing ones (my guess is that the murphy decision, if it was financial, was more likely to have been more driven by the wage cap than the capital investment in the pitch)
my summary below (i will share my detail spreadsheet if another sad git wants it) suggests that SUFC are operating at around the 60% cap level this season - which compared to previous years is a really good business position
however, as a rule of thumb this means that if SUFC want to strengthen the squad in the JTW, the amount of cash the owners will have to inject is roughly double the wages paid to new players
this is made up of wages + fringe costs (about17% for NI & pension) + revenue scale up for fair play limit (66%)
as an example for another £500,000 in wages the owners will have to inject the £500k wages + fringe of £86k + scale up of £389k = £975k
sadly as a fan, if i was advising as a consultant, i would recommend extreme caution of significantly increasing the wage bill with new player additions unless it guaranteed promotion - which in previous years it hasn't
i would also have concerns of permanent signings impacting future years i.e. Hammond (remember players are not just for Christmas)
also wrong attitudes can destroy team spirit (which is currently seems better than i can remember) and this also cautions against lots of new faces
so as a business analyst i expect the owners to make some money available (in principle for loanees) but as a good business practice set strict spending limits for the management team
although interesting published annual accounts (especially of subsidiaries), are a snapshot, backward looking and give you virtually no insight to the true state of a business or the reasons why seemingly stupid operating decisions are made
what you really need are the management accounts, business plan, operating budget and even then some further background to help understand the physicals behind the numbers / decisions
now, if anybody has the strictly confidential documents listed above, outside of the SUFC management, I would be surprised and also worried for the jobs of anybody who has leaked them
as an outsider you can only guess the real situation but it is also possible to create a 'business synthetic' by applying known industry norms and averages
as i had a couple of 'sad git' hours free this evening i thought i would create a synthetic SUFC budget
so for better or worse here is my analysis and a few thoughts from an oxfordshire exile - caveat is that synthetics are always wrong but with luck they turn a guess into a slightly more educated one
a key issue for the business owners will be where the club stands against the fair play wage cap (which is 60% of revenue)
- the reason for this is that it materially changes the cash injection needed to fund new players or indeed keep existing ones (my guess is that the murphy decision, if it was financial, was more likely to have been more driven by the wage cap than the capital investment in the pitch)
my summary below (i will share my detail spreadsheet if another sad git wants it) suggests that SUFC are operating at around the 60% cap level this season - which compared to previous years is a really good business position
however, as a rule of thumb this means that if SUFC want to strengthen the squad in the JTW, the amount of cash the owners will have to inject is roughly double the wages paid to new players
this is made up of wages + fringe costs (about17% for NI & pension) + revenue scale up for fair play limit (66%)
as an example for another £500,000 in wages the owners will have to inject the £500k wages + fringe of £86k + scale up of £389k = £975k
sadly as a fan, if i was advising as a consultant, i would recommend extreme caution of significantly increasing the wage bill with new player additions unless it guaranteed promotion - which in previous years it hasn't
i would also have concerns of permanent signings impacting future years i.e. Hammond (remember players are not just for Christmas)
also wrong attitudes can destroy team spirit (which is currently seems better than i can remember) and this also cautions against lots of new faces
so as a business analyst i expect the owners to make some money available (in principle for loanees) but as a good business practice set strict spending limits for the management team
Key sentence there Pommpers, usually not used in conjunction with "bobbah" when describing a football team's performance.
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Strangely enough, you are the last person Bert would seek advice from regarding how Sheffield United are playing.
as a recently semi retired business analyst I now have enough time on my hands to prove to my wife I really am as sad a git as she thinks
although interesting published annual accounts (especially of subsidiaries), are a snapshot, backward looking and give you virtually no insight to the true state of a business or the reasons why seemingly stupid operating decisions are made
what you really need are the management accounts, business plan, operating budget and even then some further background to help understand the physicals behind the numbers / decisions
now, if anybody has the strictly confidential documents listed above, outside of the SUFC management, I would be surprised and also worried for the jobs of anybody who has leaked them
as an outsider you can only guess the real situation but it is also possible to create a 'business synthetic' by applying known industry norms and averages
as i had a couple of 'sad git' hours free this evening i thought i would create a synthetic SUFC budget
so for better or worse here is my analysis and a few thoughts from an oxfordshire exile - caveat is that synthetics are always wrong but with luck they turn a guess into a slightly more educated one
a key issue for the business owners will be where the club stands against the fair play wage cap (which is 60% of revenue)
- the reason for this is that it materially changes the cash injection needed to fund new players or indeed keep existing ones (my guess is that the murphy decision, if it was financial, was more likely to have been more driven by the wage cap than the capital investment in the pitch)
my summary below (i will share my detail spreadsheet if another sad git wants it) suggests that SUFC are operating at around the 60% cap level this season - which compared to previous years is a really good business position
however, as a rule of thumb this means that if SUFC want to strengthen the squad in the JTW, the amount of cash the owners will have to inject is roughly double the wages paid to new players
this is made up of wages + fringe costs (about17% for NI & pension) + revenue scale up for fair play limit (66%)
as an example for another £500,000 in wages the owners will have to inject the £500k wages + fringe of £86k + scale up of £389k = £975k
sadly as a fan, if i was advising as a consultant, i would recommend extreme caution of significantly increasing the wage bill with new player additions unless it guaranteed promotion - which in previous years it hasn't
i would also have concerns of permanent signings impacting future years i.e. Hammond (remember players are not just for Christmas)
also wrong attitudes can destroy team spirit (which is currently seems better than i can remember) and this also cautions against lots of new faces
so as a business analyst i expect the owners to make some money available (in principle for loanees) but as a good business practice set strict spending limits for the management team
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Here you go snide
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Well here's the full quote below about Murphys contract complete with "Just a thought" and "maybe". and "I don't know" Changes the context somewhat. Not even a good try really is it. So that's one of your lies proven.
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Oddly enough being under contract for that length of time got United a better price. Just a thought.
Maybe that was McCabes plan all along, get him on a decent deal and cash in. I don't know. And you certainly don't.
Joined up thinking can be a Godsend at times, much better than made up mumbo fucking jumbo. "
I don't know"" is the clincher, yet you reckon yu kept asking me after I'd said that? Why would anyone do that?
No, the loop bit was clearly about the "overseas man" comment. As you know because you invented some accounts note and showed surprise that someone, although we never found out who, had "gone" without anyone on here noticing. More fantasy.
Desso funding dealt with a couple of posts ago. Have you ignored it? But here's an idea, put your head over the parapet and tell us who did pay for it, go on, commit for once.
Someone else posted the timeline facts about the Desso now though
"Note. It's only a suggestion"
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Edited for you Berrt.
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101 pages?? That's quite a thread, I'll check that one out
Not long for fishing threads, trust me...
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It's on!
No. Just pointing out his snideyness in misrepresenting posts and then only posting part of it when he tries to prove he's not a liar. Not that anyone will care but me.
And then he wonders why people have apparently threatened him in the past ( no doubt he'll interpret this as a further threat) a la Lee Strafford.
After all he put on his medals and went for the sympathy vote with his summary of his days work at Her Majesty's behest. Last refuge of a scoundrel or something? Or possibly because some people are disagreeing with him. Who knows? Why the fuck do I care?
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Pommpey gives zero fucks regarding Bert's requirements. Suffice to say, Pommpey would rather give the steam off his shit to a more worthy recipient (like ST, for example), than Bert.
Pommpey remains not bothered about Bert, who he regards as possibly borderline Altzheimers.
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No. You alluded you knew stuff. You have backpeddalled to fuck to extricate yourself from that mess, and still can't provide answers.
Nope. different situation, thankfully resolved.
Nope again (we're doing well here, aren't we laddo?) I illustrated that I hadn't 'just got back from work' (and indeed have carried on into this evening (in between brief bouts of shitting in your own cup of embarrassing woe, of course) I illustrated my workplace because, as you know, some people have important roles in life which take up work time and spare time, and some people, like you, possibly haven't.
Its made you quite mad now, hasn't it?
Loving this.
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If you enter these sorts arrangements in business its the norm pal
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