Shea Charles

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Blade56 said:
If we revisit a player that can’t get in a side worse than our PL relegation team then it just goes to show Wilder is sticking with his instincts and not the data analytics approach. All but a couple of our squad are not fit for PL (physically and in ability).
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I don’t get this. Cooper, Blaster (if he recovers fully), Peck, Hamer, that’s four at least, not just “a couple”.
 



Newbury Blade said:
I don’t get this. Cooper, Blaster (if he recovers fully), Peck, Hamer, that’s four at least, not just “a couple”.
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And 2 of those are Accadamy players. I’m referring to first team squad that are not part of or products of the Accadamy.

Hope that clarifies.
 
Newbury Blade said:
… although looking at Forest squad at the weekend, just two (Anderson and Yates) survive from playoff final winners, so maybe you have a point.
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Anderson they signed from Newcastle last summer, so it's just Yates.

That said, they had an absurd number of players who departed at the end of that season. Multiple loan players, plus numerous out of contract. Cooper had to do a huge round of recruitment that first summer back in the Prem just for them to be able to field a side. Since then they've obviously spent more as they've gotten established.

Not really fair to compare us and them. If Forest hadn't gone up when they did, they would probably have had another 3+ years of building a side to compete for promotion. We are in a much more stable position as regards player exits. Only a couple of expiring contracts, and some of our loanees are for the same position (Clarke & Gilchrist, JRS & BBD), so that means less of a strain on the squad if/when those players leave (assuming we don't take up options for the likes of BBD).

That doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't look at a thorough overhaul if we do secure promotion - only that it is less mandatory than it was for Forest.
 
Technically did Shea Charles goal mean that we have a stronger chance to send the pigs down?

If so, welcome aboard agent Charles 🫡
 
Newbury Blade said:
I don’t get this. Cooper, Blaster (if he recovers fully), Peck, Hamer, that’s four at least, not just “a couple”.
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You can add Cooper to the list of players not good enough He has big weaknesses in his game.
First half of last season he was good well protected by a defence shored up by a giant in Soutter.Our defence has been poor since then our defensive stats show this .
Not blaming Coops for all this but his weaknesses have shown since.
Distribution is poor ( not up to premiership standard)
Commanding his area his lack of height hinders him in this dept (not up to premiership standard)
Slow to go down for some shots his reading of situations shows hear a recent goal against boro where Seriki tried to block the shot
and failed should have been on his toes ready to go this is anticipation or reading the game.
Not got a downer on Coops just highlighting his short comings he's a good keeper ! why he is not premiership standard.
He cost 2 million ? So we got what we paid for.
 



Charles looks very classy each time I see him, but not £30M classy. Does that make Peck worth £18-22M then?
 
TopBoy said:
Charles looks very classy each time I see him, but not £30M classy. Does that make Peck worth £18-22M then?
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Depends, PL clubs end up paying a premium for players - because £.
 
I’m shocked Shirley
 
yes no way charles is in the 30m bracket but if he is peck has to be 20m minimum
 
ancientblade said:
yes no way charles is in the 30m bracket but if he is peck has to be 20m minimum
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Peck in that break through season was certainly a better player in a better side than Charles was during his time at Wednesday albeit playing different roles.

Charles is perhaps more of a natural Premier League type player, bigger and more physical which he needs to be for that CDM role. So perhaps they see his ceiling being higher to justify the £30m.

Peck though, has played a lot more and I think is developing well as a player. He had a tough season last year and was exposed by Selles tactics as he tried to put too much on Pecks shoulders, it affected him. Peck did have a better second half of the season.

Peck for me has a high ceiling and if he can play consistently with a midfield partner then he should also be able to have a decent season.

On the basis of Charles being sold for £30m you’d have to say that Peck is a £20m plus player, which is a little bit mental
 
Peck is nowhere near the level of a Charles

Charles is sander berge 2.0 and sander berge is Rodri 2.0

Peck is now a consistent champ performer but he is nowhere near a Hackney , Alex Scott , Shea Charles , wharton from previous years

He is probably at a level below that bunch
 
SwissBlade said:
Peck in that break through season was certainly a better player in a better side than Charles was during his time at Wednesday albeit playing different roles.

Charles is perhaps more of a natural Premier League type player, bigger and more physical which he needs to be for that CDM role. So perhaps they see his ceiling being higher to justify the £30m.

Peck though, has played a lot more and I think is developing well as a player. He had a tough season last year and was exposed by Selles tactics as he tried to put too much on Pecks shoulders, it affected him. Peck did have a better second half of the season.

Peck for me has a high ceiling and if he can play consistently with a midfield partner then he should also be able to have a decent season.

On the basis of Charles being sold for £30m you’d have to say that Peck is a £20m plus player, which is a little bit mental
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its simple really though charles is nowhere near a 30m player 20m max
 
BrianTheBlade said:
Peck is nowhere near the level of a Charles

Charles is sander berge 2.0 and sander berge is Rodri 2.0

Peck is now a consistent champ performer but he is nowhere near a Hackney , Alex Scott , Shea Charles , wharton from previous years
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That’s harsh….. I think Charles has potential to be a top half Prem player - but Peck is not that far behind him- but is a completely different type of player. Either way the £30 million Fulham are paying is ludicrous.? As someone else has said - based on that Peck is a £20 million player - but neither are truly worth that. Fair play yet again for Saints in getting that. They do seem to be far better than us in getting good money for their youngsters!
 



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