Welcome to the discussion Foxy. I'm not calling Baki out at all. I am calling out his defenders, despite their lack of evidence to support their argument. My questions are pointed (and have been in the past) and have regarded the vague aspect of his role and what people see in that. yes I allude that from this low-angle, everything seems a bit puzzling, especially as the outcomes aren't exactly clear. But that's not a crime, is it? Neither is asking the perfectly fair question of if he were not doing this role, would we still be where we are? So, forgive for asking what exactly he does, an not being satisfied with the response.
But if you weren't calling him out, why would he have "defenders" ?
In your very first post in this thread you mention "under achieving shit", "too many managers" and "jobs for the boys".
Before moving on to asking what the "tangible benefit of employing this bloke" is.
A lot of the issue is in the method of questioning, rather than the actual questioning.
You are right - he doesn't have to justify his role to any of us, let alone me. Maybe he has done untold wonders for Sheffield United, maybe not. I'd like to see some evidence of this that ties in with his job title, that's all.
One of my main points being, then why not ask the question respectfully rather than coming across to many as mudslinging and requesting that someone justifies that a man is in a role.
I think if you read back through your comments and their wording, it strays away from the clarity you say you seek into less respectful territory.
Otherwise I might ask for a job there myself, and as I say, I will campaign for you and Lindz if you want. Someone is funding his time and effort. I am asking for x to be connected to y to result in z. It is difficult to ascertain why people choose to corral the wagons when faced with such a simplistic argument. It seems like the only countering quality people can offer is that he goes on Twitter and has some sort of hoolie background. I am shrugging my shoulders about that.
Feel free to do so, you might find that they have a role perfect for you and would love to take you on, just be ready for people calling you out on the internet if the results aren't going our way, as that seems to be the way it goes
That's not really a direct comparison though is it? as Mr Baki is a board member and has confirmed himself that he isn't paid by SUFC.
The person funding his time and effort, is the person he has to justify his role to. As a fan of the Football Club then I absolutely agree with asking respectful questions and seeking clarity on areas you don't think are clear, but as fans and paying supporters, despite what people like to think, we aren't employers of off-the-field staff, never mind board members.
Not sure what you mean by campaigning for us?
And I won't retract my comments on McCabe. My frustrations with his running of my beloved football club have run for years and the common denominator is plain to see.
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I've not asked you to retract comments on anyone, though if I'm reading back and seeing anything libellous or in the realms of personal abuse then I will be dealing with those. It's perfectly possible to have and express frustrations without resorting to that.
As I see it, EVERY fan has the right to ask what anyone in the Club does, and what they contribute.
I agree with that and actively support that to a certain line, whereby supporters stray into wanting to call the shots on the employment of individuals and disrespectfully demand justification for someone having a role or job.
I'm not directly comparing this, but you wouldn't march into Tesco and demand to know what the fishmongery marketing executive was doing to justify their wage and make accusations about them.
