Second Halves and why he has to go.

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Yesterday hurts. Woke up after the shock of it and the happiness of taking my lad to Wembley for the first time has worn off and I'm angry at how we threw that away. But in reality it's nothing new, we have been absolutely awful in the second half of about 90 per cent of our matches this season and the stats back that up.

This is down to a number of reasons and I'd put them all at the door of the manager.

Failure to get the second goal when on top - we just seem to not be quite good enough to get that second goal, though some of our bizarre non shooting tactics don't help. The fact we are on top and yet we don't seem to create 'spells' of sustained pressure or shots has been a season long issue.

The bizarre and unforgivable lack of fitness of our better players. Hamer is fucked after 70 minutes, Campbell is brilliant but can only do 60 minutes ala Mousett and we just look really leggy. That's something we saw from Wilder's teams last time (Fleck, Mousett etc) so I'd question the conditioning he has in place.

The tactical decisions. Whether the points above are the driver for this I don't know but the way we say after about 60 minutes we will make subs, sit back, keep shape and hold onto what we have is criminal, obvious and plays into the opposition's hands because they know it is coming. This worked against the poorer sides and when we had Soutter who was a class above but as soon as Robbo came back in and against the best sides it hasn't worked. Yet again, in the biggest game of the season and probably the past 8 years or so, we did it again.

Recruitment. Not much needs to be said on this as we can all agree, when we were crying out for a really good, imposing leader at centre half in January we spunked 10 million pounds on an absolutely awful striker who seems to not have many actual qualities other than a purple patch of goals at one club and a really hard shot (sound familiar Rhiann?). We cannot give him money to recruit again, we just can't.

Rewind all the way back to QPR at home, first home game of the season and a time where the manager had decided starting Robbo ahead of bloody Souttar was the right call. This second half capitulation set the blue print for the season with this team and we've not tried to address it at any point. The fact it's come to bite us once again at the end is no surprise.

It's on the manager. All of these second half issues sit firmly at his door and we need to change it before we are changing manager in November and then scrambling for more fucking play off heartache ala Coventry.
 
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Spot on, it's embarrassing in particular the none shooting, how many times do we turn and pass back when we are advancing Moore been the main culprit of this and oh how this cost us yesterday. We needed to get the second. I had texts off leeds fans at half time who couldn't believe how shit Sunderland were that's when we needed to turn the screw.

I haven't forgot Wilders meltdown a few weeks ago as well.


He needs to go
 
Spot on, it's embarrassing in particular the none shooting, how many times do we turn and pass back when we are advancing Moore been the main culprit of this and oh how this cost us yesterday. We needed to get the second. I had texts off leeds fans at half time who couldn't believe how shit Sunderland were that's when we needed to turn the screw.

I haven't forgot Wilders meltdown a few weeks ago as well.


He needs to go
Unless they recruit wisely Sunderland's joy will turn to a nightmare in the premier league next season
 
Yesterday hurts. Woke up after the shock of it and the happiness of taking my lad to Wembley for the first time has worn off and I'm angry at how we threw that away. But in reality it's nothing new, we have been absolutely awful in the second half of about 90 per cent of our matches this season and the stats back that up.

This is down to a number of reasons and I'd put them all at the door of the manager.

Failure to get the second goal when on top - we just seem to not be quite good enough to get that second goal, though some of our bizarre non shooting tactics don't help. The fact we are on top and yet we don't seem to create 'spells' of sustained pressure or shots has been a season long issue.

The bizarre and unforgivable lack of fitness of our better players. Hamer is fucked after 70 minutes, Campbell is brilliant but can only do 60 minutes ala Mousett and we just look really leggy. That's something we saw from Wilder's teams last time (Fleck, Mousett etc) so I'd question the conditioning he has in place.

The tactical decisions. Whether the points above are the driver for this I don't know but the way we say after about 60 minutes we will make subs, sit back, keep shape and hold onto what we have is criminal, obvious and plays into the opposition's hands because they know it is coming. This worked against the poorer sides and when we had Soutter who was a class above but as soon as Robbo came back in and against the best sides it hasn't worked. Yet again, in the biggest game of the season and probably the past 8 years or so, we did it again.

Recruitment. Not much needs to be said on this as we can all agree, when we were crying out for a really good, imposing leader at centre half in January we spunked 10 million pounds on an absolutely awful striker who seems to not have many actual qualities other than a purple patch of goals at one club and a really hard shot (sound familiar Rhiann?). We cannot give him money to recruit again, we just can't.

Rewind all the way back to QPR at home, first home game of the season and a time where the manager had decided starting Robbo ahead of bloody Souttar was the right call. This second half capitulation set the blue print for the season with this team and we've not tried to address it at any point. The fact it's come to bite us once again at the end is no surprise.

It's on the manager. All of these second half issues sit firmly at his door and we need to change it before we are changing manager in November and then scrambling for more fucking play off heartache ala Coventry.
Bladepicker that is a brilliant post. It captures the sheer frustration following a team led by a manager who has to a certain extent ridden his luck this season. Losing a league game ruins your weekend or mid week. Losing a playoff final ruins your summer. If Sunderland had turned up and played really well then I'd say fair play. We gifted them that game because of his stubborn tactics.

Yes, VAR didn't help but who's to say that we wouldn't have let that lead slip in the second half like as you rightly say we did against QPR at Bramall Lane.

Do you know what hurts the most? I'd convinced myself that this was the year of firsts and long term rectifications. Newcastle winning the league cup (approx. 50 years since their last major trophy) Crystal Palace winning the FA cup (first ever major trophy). Spurs winning the Europa league (17 years since their last trophy). All those clubs defeating the usual winners of finals in the recent past. I stupidly thought this is our year to win our first playoff final and game at Wembley since 1925. But oh no, enter the spoiler in chief, Chris Wilder and true to form he fucks it up and leaves us with a summer of bad feeling and goodness knows what impact on the finances of the club.

Rob Holding has won the FA cup twice at Wembley and he is left on the bench. Hang on, I hear you all say, we got 90/92 points. That counts for nothing now. When we lose our better players let's see where we are next season.

My greatest fear is losing Cooper to Leeds because their keeper is pants. It goes one of 2 ways when you lose a play off final. You can do a Leeds or a Huddersfield. I know which one my money is on.

On reflection bladepicker is right this failure is simply too great to ignore.
 
Yesterday hurts. Woke up after the shock of it and the happiness of taking my lad to Wembley for the first time has worn off and I'm angry at how we threw that away. But in reality it's nothing new, we have been absolutely awful in the second half of about 90 per cent of our matches this season and the stats back that up.

This is down to a number of reasons and I'd put them all at the door of the manager.

Failure to get the second goal when on top - we just seem to not be quite good enough to get that second goal, though some of our bizarre non shooting tactics don't help. The fact we are on top and yet we don't seem to create 'spells' of sustained pressure or shots has been a season long issue.

The bizarre and unforgivable lack of fitness of our better players. Hamer is fucked after 70 minutes, Campbell is brilliant but can only do 60 minutes ala Mousett and we just look really leggy. That's something we saw from Wilder's teams last time (Fleck, Mousett etc) so I'd question the conditioning he has in place.

The tactical decisions. Whether the points above are the driver for this I don't know but the way we say after about 60 minutes we will make subs, sit back, keep shape and hold onto what we have is criminal, obvious and plays into the opposition's hands because they know it is coming. This worked against the poorer sides and when we had Soutter who was a class above but as soon as Robbo came back in and against the best sides it hasn't worked. Yet again, in the biggest game of the season and probably the past 8 years or so, we did it again.

Recruitment. Not much needs to be said on this as we can all agree, when we were crying out for a really good, imposing leader at centre half in January we spunked 10 million pounds on an absolutely awful striker who seems to not have many actual qualities other than a purple patch of goals at one club and a really hard shot (sound familiar Rhiann?). We cannot give him money to recruit again, we just can't.

Rewind all the way back to QPR at home, first home game of the season and a time where the manager had decided starting Robbo ahead of bloody Souttar was the right call. This second half capitulation set the blue print for the season with this team and we've not tried to address it at any point. The fact it's come to bite us once again at the end is no surprise.

It's on the manager. All of these second half issues sit firmly at his door and we need to change it before we are changing manager in November and then scrambling for more fucking play off heartache ala Coventry.
Bang on the money.

Fitness has been an issue all season. Whilst I partly blame the coaches ability to get the players fitter, we’ve seemingly signed players who aren’t naturally fit, so either take longer, or aren’t ever able to last 90 mins. Hamer as an example. I don’t think he lives a life of a top level athlete.

Recruitment has been an issue for years with wilder in charge. The reluctance to sign from abroad has hamstrung us to the hilt. Paying over the odds (Brewster/Cannon) for young players with room to grow. For the price of Brewster, we’d have been able to buy two maybe three players of a similar ilk abroad.

Insisting on playing Robinson. Love the guy, gives his all.. but if we were serious about promotion, he’d be warming the bench. Having a proven winner in holding sat on the bench is sackable in itself.
 
Lost all the big games this season. Tactically doesn’t know what he’s doing, never changes anything. One style of play and if it doesn’t work then we either draw or lose
 
A good mate, Sunderland fan, watching it on telly and texted me after game as to how unfit and knackered we looked back end of the second half. So it’s not just us who see it.

I’ll be at work Tuesday and there’s a good mix of teams being supported in the office and I can guarantee they will all say you played well first half but ran out of steam.
 
A good mate, Sunderland fan, watching it on telly and texted me after game as to how unfit and knackered we looked back end of the second half. So it’s not just us who see it.

I’ll be at work Tuesday and there’s a good mix of teams being supported in the office and I can guarantee they will all say you played well first half but ran out of steam.
Same as against Leeds and Burnley , our stamina is poor.
 

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