Season Not over yet or is it ??

[stuie01]

With a not brilliant start to the season this has left us in a position of :

There are 25 league games left this season each carrying a max of 3 points

Which means there is a max of 75 points to play for until the end of the season

We are currently on 27 points up to now

Therefore the max we could get for the season is 102 points

Which we know surely can't happen or can it ??

To show the amount of points roughly we need, these are the points totals from the previous 3 seasons. I have shown 1st, 2nd and 6th places - (the last one been the final place in the play-offs)

2004/05

1st Sunderland 94
2nd Wigan 87
6th West Ham 73

2005/06

1st Reading 106
2nd The Blades 90
6th Crystal Palace 75

2006/07
1st Sunderland 88
2nd Birmingham City 86
6th Southampton 75

So looking at that totals from past seasons we need to be getting a total of around 80 points for a play-off place which means we need another 53 points which is 17 wins and 2 draws out of the final 25 league games. To get in the automatic place you would need to further that total by 10-15 points taking it to 90-95 points for the season which is getting a further 63-68 points for the season. Which is 21 wins/ 22 wins and 2 draws for the rest of the season. With the league being so tight this year it looks like it will be a lower total needed to win so at max we can afford to lose 6 games for the rest of the season if you want a higher total it is looking at best of losing 3 games for the rest of the season. Its not over by a long way but we need to start performing and picking up points before it is over.

Up the Blades !!!

 

[Robbie]

Well put to be honest, and to be honest it shows the poor predicament in which we find ourselves.

Saying we can lose games is all very well, but we have turn the draws in to wins, which is obviously not attainable to a high success rate as it currently stands.

 

[jodman]

Those figures make bleak reading, the poor position that we are in only comes to light when you take things like this into account. It may seem like there is a long way to go but in reality, a bad January could see the end of our season.

Lets hope we can get a win this weekend and push on from there.

 

[TonyAgana]

So what do people think our board's plan is?

If this season is a write-off, so be it?

Give Robson time to bed in and see how next season goes?

What position do we have to be in by Christmas NEXT year before a decision is made?

For everything that has been said, from what I can gather, Robbo's job is safe for this season regardless - but what if we're slipping towards the bottom 3 by the end of Jan? If we consider pulling the plug in that scenario, at what point can someone else come in and save us? February?

Thanks Stuie, you've f'ing ruined my already pretty shitty day!! :rant:

 

[Sensiblade]

Might b a 'so long as we finish above wednesday' this season then he'll be safe in his job.
If not back to the drawing board.

 

[keenzy]

how long does he need? warnocks bedding in already and hes been there in less games.

shouldnt take a manager about 6 months to bed in and still need time.

Time we face the facts, he dosent need more time, hes not good enough.

 

[Sensiblade]

how long does he need? warnocks bedding in already and hes been there in less games.

shouldnt take a manager about 6 months to bed in and still need time.

Time we face the facts, he dosent need more time, hes not good enough.

How long did it take Warnock to get us some success?
I know we have better players now, and that should make us a better team.
But the whole package needs to be right.
Warnock had the motivation side covered, Robson doesn't at the moment.
Hope he does soon or we're stuffed this season.

 

[keenzy]

thing with warnock is, we were struggling in this division with no money. robson has took over with plenty of money and just out of the prem and hes doing a balls of it.

 

[7UpJordan]

shouldnt take a manager about 6 months to bed in and still need time.

Not just 6 months mate, remember Robson saying it'll take him 3 years? Sorry Robbo, I don't think you'll ever be good enough, you're killing everything this club is about.

 

[shorehamview]

So to put it bluntly, we are buggered.

 

[Bladesman]

It is over and was over a while ago.

 

[stinkyblade]

It is over and was over a while ago.

God keep the faith, never known someone so pessimistic

 

[keenzy]

were up shit creek without a paddle.

Shame Robson can't have gone missing for a few years like that darwin bloke!

 

[Keith Curle's tenant]

So to put it bluntly, we are buggered.

You starting the buggery with blunt objects fetish again?

It can make for reading like that will happen, but whatever will be, will be!

 

[Come from away]

We still have a team with lots of talent, yes losing is depressing but we aren't done yet by a long shot.

 

[Robbie]

How long did it take Warnock to get us some success?

Depends on your definition of success.

What NW achieved with us in his first season I would deem as a huge success.

 

[Foxy]

how long does he need? warnocks bedding in already and hes been there in less games.

shouldnt take a manager about 6 months to bed in and still need time.

Whilst i'm not really sticking up for Robbo here, Warnock hasn't inherited a team who have just being relegated in the circumstances which we were.

Nor has he had a pre-season interupted by court cases or been given the task of changing the style that Palace play.

 

[Robbie]

It was a task Robbo took upon himself though with regards to change of style. Something that has so far not been achieved. Ah well

Keep smiling boys. We're gonna win the league.

 

[Foxy]

It was a task Robbo took upon himself though with regards to change of style. Something that has so far not been achieved. Ah well

Keep smiling boys. We're gonna win the league.

He's also been instructed by the board to create a team capable of playing a different style of football as I understand. It's not really been achieved as yet, but its not something that you just flip a switch and magically happens. Nor did he say it'd have happened by now.

 

[keenzy]

thing is, anyone with sense knew we wouldnt get anything from the protests about wet spam.

 

[Foxy]

thing is, anyone with sense knew we wouldnt get anything from the protests about wet spam.

That doesn't mean we should have just taken it lying down and not kicked up the fuss we did.

 

[keenzy]

not saying we shouldnt have fought for it. but could see the outcome a mile off.

most we would have got was compensation not being reinstated.

 

[7UpJordan]

Bryan Robson will not win us promotion as long as I have a hole in my arse.

 

[Keith Curle's tenant]

Bryan Robson will not win us promotion as long as I have a hole in my arse.

There's a simple solution to this, I have enough cotton and plenty of needles that can sort you out.

 

[happyhippy]

Time we face the facts, he dosent need more time, hes not good enough.

Most of us faced that fact when he was appointed.

How long did it take Warnock to get us some success?

Kept us up from a seemingly hopeless position in his first half a season. Steady progress with bugger all money, then the Triple Assault. Bit of a hangover, but consistantly in the top half of the table, promotion, and the narrowest of relegations.

I can think of managers with worse records with bugger all to spend.

So to put it bluntly, we are buggered.

I reckon so for this year, unless we get a run of wins together and actually get to the top 6. At present though, I think there's more chance of me eating my house than that happening.

Whilst i'm not really sticking up for Robbo here, Warnock hasn't inherited a team who have just being relegated in the circumstances which we were.

Nor has he had a pre-season interupted by court cases or been given the task of changing the style that Palace play.

I agree with the first bit, but he's been in charge long enough to have got them past that. The more I think about it, the more I think the court case shouldn't have affected our preparation one tiny little bit. Everyone and the office cat knew we wouldn't get re-instated (though I still think we should have been).

As for changing the style, that's his prerogative, and as such, he carries the can. I know you're playing Devil's Advocate a bit, but it doesn't hold water in my opinion. As for the Board 'instructing' him to change the style, who's the manager? Not the Board, that much I do know.

 

[Foxy]

I agree with the first bit, but he's been in charge long enough to have got them past that. The more I think about it, the more I think the court case shouldn't have affected our preparation one tiny little bit. Everyone and the office cat knew we wouldn't get re-instated (though I still think we should have been).

Do you think any potential premiership targets would have been happy to make the move not actually knowing what division we'd be in? We all know we were unlikely to win, but it was a possibility that many believe should have happened. Any contract negociations would have been very very difficult... we couldn't realistically draw up contracts for each of the situations as no player in the right mind would be happy to take on the fall back option should the inevitable happen. Whilst it shouldn't have had much of an effect on pre-season, there are loads of contributing factors which made things more difficult than they would usually be.

As for changing the style, that's his prerogative, and as such, he carries the can. I know you're playing Devil's Advocate a bit, but it doesn't hold water in my opinion. As for the Board 'instructing' him to change the style, who's the manager? Not the Board, that much I do know.

Who employs the manager and lays out the goalposts for achievement/happens with the club?

Ultimately, Bryan Robson is employed to do as the board wish. No matter who the manager is, if the board want the style changing, the manager must attempt to change the style.

I'm far from sticking up for him, just suggesting its not as clear cut as people make out.

 

[happyhippy]

Do you think any potential premiership targets would have been happy to make the move not actually knowing what division we'd be in? We all know we were unlikely to win, but it was a possibility that many believe should have happened. Any contract negociations would have been very very difficult... we couldn't realistically draw up contracts for each of the situations as no player in the right mind would be happy to take on the fall back option should the inevitable happen. Whilst it shouldn't have had much of an effect on pre-season, there are loads of contributing factors which made things more difficult than they would usually be.

Granted, but whichever way you look at it, we were at the bottom of the mountain looking up. There's no doubt we should have gone for it; we were in the right after all. I still think we can't blame a truncated pre-season on anything. You can't spend a pay rise until it's agreed and in the bank.

Who employs the manager and lays out the goalposts for achievement/happens with the club?

Ultimately, Bryan Robson is employed to do as the board wish. No matter who the manager is, if the board want the style changing, the manager must attempt to change the style.

I'm far from sticking up for him, just suggesting its not as clear cut as people make out.

In which case I'd have told the Board to whistle. He's the manager, and he dictates the style.

I know you're not sticking up for him, mate, but what you're saying with that, is that he's as impotent as our general performance ........

Hmmmmm, where's Pele

 

[Come from away]

If we'd been in the Championship last year (as usual) and missed promotion again (as usual), we would have been quite comfortable with where we are now. It's all about OUR expectations, we're the ones who are not being realistic. After a dozen years in this division how can you forget so quickly just how hard it is to get out?

 

[matth]

If we'd been in the Championship last year (as usual) and missed promotion again (as usual), we would have been quite comfortable with where we are now. It's all about OUR expectations, we're the ones who are not being realistic. After a dozen years in this division how can you forget so quickly just how hard it is to get out?

I was going to argue against that, but if you think that the ambitions of a team which narrowly got relegated from the Prem last season after finishing a comfortable second in the Championship the season before lie in mid-table mediocrity, then there's clearly no point.

Apologies for having the audacity to think that a club considered one of the most financially sound and progressive should have ambitions of the playoffs at the very least. Clearly that's unrealistic.

 

[Foxy]

You can't spend a pay rise until it's agreed and in the bank.

Exactly my point, so how could we aim for the sorts of players we would be wanting to attract? Are the targets the same no matter what division we are in? and equally as realistic?

In which case I'd have told the Board to whistle. He's the manager, and he dictates the style.

I know you're not sticking up for him, mate, but what you're saying with that, is that he's as impotent as our general performance ........

Whether or not he does dictate the style, it is aimed that we change it (board or Robbo's decision), hence the reason i've mentioned it as an issue!

Put yourself in the picture... after a few years away from a job you'd love to do, you get yourself back into such position... Your employers ask you to make certain changes in order to get the effect they are wanting and employing you to do. What would you do? tell them to stuff it and quit?
Who is in charge of our club? the football team manager or the board/chairman?