Say goodbye to Brooks

[snootyfenooty]

They got around £10million or so for Walcott eventually. They should have got £12mil but Arsenal managed to worm out of paying them more.

Bare in mind that deal was done in 2006 and was not based on Arsenal selling him. Southampton could still have a sell on clause in place, should Arsenal sell him.

You're somewhat misinformed about what you say. His initial fee was £5m rising to £12m depending upon appearances. Southampton were skint at the time and accepted a further offer from Arsenal of £2-3m to settle the deal once and for all. Southampton accepted and Arsenal did not worm out of anything. The total fee for Walcott was between £7-9m depending upon which article you believe.

 

[Maidenhead]

But he's very likely to be. And sooner than you think. You underestimate him.

Coutts is a different type of player. Probably the most influential to our play, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's the 'best'.

Did you notice that Brooks was behind just about all our best attacking moments? Have you noticed how much more likely he looks to make things happen than anyone else in our squad?

So when he is we pay him accordingly. I have no issue with that.

As an aside how can our "most influential" player not be our best?

 

[Maidenhead]

I didn't say he should be. I'm saying that if that's what was needed in order to keep him, then it would make sense to do so. Not ideal but it's better than throwing away millions of pounds.

He will be our best player, I have no doubt about that. If we waited for him to become our undoubted best player and key man and he was playing at a consistently high level, 20k wouldn't be enough would it?

He might be under contract but I don't think it's more than 2 years is it? And that's basically 18 months if we get to January. And that's not long at all. You should always look to make sure your main assets have more than 2 years left. So we'll need to be talking to O'Connell and Fleck soon as well.

What did you think of the Diego lad before him?

 

[The Crab]

That's "Brace yourself Sharon"......

Utter bollocks.

All the Sharon's live in Oughtibridge

 

[sheffielder]

Not sure if anyone has brought this up before and can't be arsed to go through 13 odd pages etc; but has anyone thought if Brook would want to go? He was let go by the Man City academy for not being good enough so has rebuilt his career with us. He might not want to go to sit in someone elses reserves when he knows he will get a chance here and also a new contract. If he has confidence in himself, he will know his time will still come.

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[Kevincarterversion2.0]

That may be but the board cannot sell a player to any club nor can they be loaned out to any club if the player doesn't want to go there the player can refuse the contract even when a bid has been accepted and then the talks break down
Brooks said he wants to stay here for the same thing he's getting now in the match day 18 trying to get into the first team he'll stay with us

The board do not have to sell a player who is under contract, regardless of whether he wants to leave. So the board ultimately get the final say on who goes, or stays (providing the player is under contract).

Yes, a player can state that he doesnt want to be sold, but if the board want him to go (to make money), the player mostly goes (Stephen Quinn was one fairly recent example of this). Money is the primary driver in football, at the end of the day. Wilder knows this, hence his plea to the board after the game last night ("Dont Sell!")

As I mentioned, I want Brooks to be playing for us after the window closes - as any Blade does - and flourish here. It is good he has stated he wants to say.

 

[Bladesman]

You're somewhat misinformed about what you say. His initial fee was £5m rising to £12m depending upon appearances. Southampton were skint at the time and accepted a further offer from Arsenal of £2-3m to settle the deal once and for all. Southampton accepted and Arsenal did not worm out of anything. The total fee for Walcott was between £7-9m depending upon which article you believe.

He made the appearances anyway and Soton could have waited out for the full £12mil if they wanted to. They have since made good money from selling the youngsters since Walcott.

 

[larkymasher]

Utterly predictable and increasingly tiresome.

Let's hope he's rubbish in future, eh?

In fact, at the risk of deflating the ever increasing mania, he did one or two clever things; he's a talent, but he wasn't great tonight.

I could not agree more.
He was okay last night with a few nice touches.

If he plays in the first team like he did for the u23s last season a few on here would not know what to do with themselves.

He has a long long way to go. Why do some continue to over hype a young player and stack a bit more pressure on the kid.

To say he was outstanding last night is totally false. He is a real prospect and played well but no more than that.

give the lad a chance FFS

 

[shrubbery]

You don't know what the reality is. Let's wait and see rather than posturing, shall we?

Best shut the forum down then.

 

[gavtheblade]

Can we afford to keep 'bitting and batting ' with him this season?
That's the question, is he good enough for us now?
I reckon he is,so let's not do a Diego with this lad and don't wrap him in cotton wool like we did with him.

 

[Barney]

To say he was outstanding last night is totally false. He is a real prospect and played well but no more than that.

It's a bit more impressive though due to the fact that it wasn't our full strength side and, to a large extent the players around him had very unconvincing games which makes things 10x harder for an individual to impact the game. So considering that I thought he did extremely well. Also, the opposition were of a higher class than many we will face this season, towards the end we were totally outclassed. In a full strength United side against slightly weaker teams he will shine.

 

[snootyfenooty]

He made the appearances anyway and Soton could have waited out for the full £12mil if they wanted to.

But they didn't and committed an error of judgement McCabe would have been proud of. Don't forget Southampton were in shit street at the time, a place where we seem to have permanent residence.

 

[JJBlade]

I disagree, we should keep him to his contract and force him to play for us. Players always do their best when they're at a club they don't want to play for.

I disagree also:
We should give him a proper contract for five years with a promise that it will be reviewed with our progress and his progress every year.

Leaving him on the football equivalent of YTS money is a sure fire way of making him angle for a move

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I disagree also:
We should give him a proper contract for five years with a promise that it will be reviewed with our progress and his progress every year.

Leaving him on the football equivalent of YTS money is a sure fire way of making him angle for a move

I agree,i think we should pay him 25k a week,i am certain this would not cause any problems

 

[JJBlade]

Doubt he'll sulk, doesn't seem to be that type, also it's not in his interest.

We could let his contract run down and then I assume we'd get compensation at a tribunal as he's so young and come through our Academy.

We don't owe it to him to let him join a good club.

The club will do what's right for the club and will only let him go for a fee so big that will benefit the club. If he's potentially worth multiple millions then doubt he'd sign a contract unless we make him the best paid player at the club and I really doubt we'd offer him anything in the £20K a week bracket.

It's a big problem in football, the financial gap between the PL and Championship is too big meaning unless a Championship club has a rich benefactor willing to gamble paying out massive wages then PL can cherry pick all the best players. All a Championship club can do is demand a massive transfer but then that means the player demands a massive salary.

Yes it's a massive problem
But it depends on what Brooks wants

If he is given a contract on a par with our better players it would be easier to keep hold of him for a while

He might think £8000 - £10,000 per week and playing regularly is better at this stage of his career than £20,000 per week and the risk that he might disappear off the face of the earth

 

[Sean Thornton]

I disagree also:
We should give him a proper contract for five years with a promise that it will be reviewed with our progress and his progress every year.

Leaving him on the football equivalent of YTS money is a sure fire way of making him angle for a move

He won't need to angle for a move. Clubs will be coming in for him. And what we are paying him won't make a jot of difference to the fee we are offered.

And let's be honest, with how he looks now, whatever we offer him won't be enough unless you expect us to be in the Champions League in a couple of years.

In short, more negative senseless bollocks just for the sake of it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes it's a massive problem
But it depends on what Brooks wants

If he is given a contract on a par with our better players it would be easier to keep hold of him for a while

He might think £8000 - £10,000 per week and playing regularly is better at this stage of his career than £20,000 per week and the risk that he might disappear off the face of the earth

Or he may look at DCL playing PL football?

 

[Bladesman]

But they didn't and committed an error of judgement McCabe would have been proud of. Don't forget Southampton were in shit street at the time, a place where we seem to have permanent residence.

Well as cock ups go its still more money than we usually get for a player.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Or he may look at DCL playing PL football?

On a reported 40k a week if rumours are to be believed,i think we should offer him 35k a week,and fix him up with a young lady similar to the one who is walking out with young Dominic,

 

[Sean Thornton]

On a reported 40k a week if rumours are to be believed,i think we should offer him 35k a week,and fix him up with a young lady similar to the one who is walking out with young Dominic,

Whatever, it's just the build up to the "McCabes sold him too cheap" hysteria.

 

[grafikhaus]

I'll give you Jordan Slew and raise you a Kyle Walker and a Harry Maguire. 2 players we have received just under 12m for but we're sold for combined fees upwards of 70m. Potential is worth a hell of a lot more these days. If and when the time is right we should start making the cash rich clubs pay the going rate now

 

[Ricky]

So when he is we pay him accordingly. I have no issue with that.

As an aside how can our "most influential" player not be our best?

As I've said though, by that point 20k probably wouldn't be enough. For all I know it might not even be enough now.

I said 'most influential to our play'. A player can be the most influential due to having most touches of the ball. Another player might be better but see less of the ball due to the position/role he plays. You could argue that the top goalscorer is the most influential player. In that case Sharp would be our most influential, but I don't think most of us would class him as our 'best' player.

What did you think of the Diego lad before him?

I didn't see as much of him. But I saw he had unique flair and ability that warranted first team opportunities. Who knows what he would've done had he not got that knee injury.
The main difference between him and Brooks is in the head. Diego had a questionable mentality, whereas Brooks' mentality has impressed me as much as his ability.

 

[Valleyblade]

I think (hope) he'll stay for now.

Wilder wouldn't play someone who isn't totally committed to the team.

But if and when the big dogs come......

 

[spongebobblade]

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The graphs don't lie but they don't take into account the loss of premier league money, wasted cash by numerous managers and cutting our cloth accordingly and balancing the books after relegation to league one. We are now on the up and have no need to sell and our Kevs excuses won't wash as much. If we do sell, let's get silly money and back the best manager we've had in over a decade

 

[Kev Gee]

The graphs don't lie but they don't take into account the loss of premier league money, wasted cash by numerous managers and cutting our cloth accordingly and balancing the books after relegation to league one. We are now on the up and have no need to sell and our Kevs excuses won't wash as much. If we do sell, let's get silly money and back the best manager we've had in over a decade

What's silly money though when the better championship players are commanding fees upwards of 5 million?

20 - 30 million?

If we sold him for 5 million we wouldn't see much benefit in terms of reinvestment in the team. We should keep him here and see hownhe develops. If hes getting regular game time then its unlikely any move would be instigated from the player.

 

[spongebobblade]

What's silly money though when the better championship players are commanding fees upwards of 5 million?

20 - 30 million?

If we sold him for 5 million we wouldn't see much benefit in terms of reinvestment in the team. We should keep him here and see hownhe develops. If hes getting regular game time then its unlikely any move would be instigated from the player.

If the likes of Andre Lookman can fetch 7m+ a year ago then surely we could aim for more than that. I know, it sounds ridiculous but just when we thought transfer fees couldn't get any more laughable we've all been left scratching our heads in disbelief. Like you though I think he's inclined to stay here, learn his trade and have belief his ability will take him to higher places as and when the time is right

 

[highgreenintokyo]

"She doth protest too much, me thinks". New member from high green, backing up Pig scum? I smell yet more Pig shit. Last night sure flushed the fuckers out en mass! Having said that, they've not had a chance to infiltrate properly since CW came in, have they?

I've no wish to get into an argument. It's literally pointless. I was trying to say that just because you disagree with someone, or because someone expresses a slightly daft opinion, the "he's clearly a pig" argument is not OK. It's childish, and it adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. This is a "discussion board". As I said in my post, there are plenty of Facebook "banter" pages where people seem to enjoy that.

As for being from High Green: yes, I grew up in High Green. Quite a few of us on this board are from High Green.

As for being "new", I've been on this board slightly longer than you. I guess the "new member" is connected to the number of posts you make.

The fact is even stevie wonder can see the talent. It is god given, not taught. It doesn't matter if he's played one game or ten games, like walker/maguire. You only needed 1/2 a brain cell & a half decent eyesight to know that they were top drawer. Brooks, due to his position, and being left footed, is way above these two. If he's going, start at £20m, or headhunt soton's transfer negotiators, cos they'll get us a minimum of £30m.

Thank you for finally contributing an opinion. I agree with you that Brooks has the potential to be better than Walker or Maguire, I guess, but for me he hasn't shown it yet. I hope he gets many more chances to show it with us over the next few months, and I don't think he should be sold, and I don't think he will be sold anytime soon. Think Wilder's been handling him perfectly to be honest, and there's currently no better place for him.

 

[grafikhaus]

What's silly money though when the better championship players are commanding fees upwards of 5 million?

20 - 30 million?

If we sold him for 5 million we wouldn't see much benefit in terms of reinvestment in the team. We should keep him here and see hownhe develops. If hes getting regular game time then its unlikely any move would be instigated from the player.

This is what £15m gets you (Chris Wood, Leeds to Burnley)



A fabulous scoring record (including internationals) and not too shabby at Leicester and various loan spells. Sorry, but all this talk about £10m + for DB is, frankly, ludicrous.

 

[S5Blade]

All the comparisons to Lookman and how they got 7m for him. He played 39 games for Charltons 1st team, with a further 14 sub appearances, and scored 12 goals.

Brooks has, err, made 3 sub appearances in the league and started 2 league cup games, and people expect 10m for him?

I genuinely want whatever most of the forum appears to be smoking.

 

[ShorehamRevolution]

I was about to post something similar. He's a step above most of what we currently have, I just hope with the sell-on money we've had from the Walker & Maguire moves that we can afford to keep him rather than taking a bargain-basement offer. He could become a cult hero for us if we can keep & build around him

I agree with you completely in principle but some players are just destined to move on to bigger and better things and brooks is certainly moving in that direction, the premier league looks nailed on for the lad and even if we keep hold for the next 2 seasons it's only a matter of time before he wants premiership football and potentially an England call up. Like I said nothing's written in stone for him yet but he's certainly heading in this direction.