Sander Berge

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Assuming there's no release clause, we will get a significant profit on Sander. The talk in the press about 35m this morning I think is perhaps high, but I can see us getting 30m plus shitloads of clauses and potentially player exchanges. He will bankroll next season and I suspect a new higher profile manager like SJ.

I've been screaming it on here for months (particularly in arguments with Rev), he's going to go on to be a big big player for a big big club. We should sell him (I don't think the Championship will add any value to him), but we will look back in years to come at what could have been.
 



Houso said:
Assuming there's no release clause, we will get a significant profit on Sander. The talk in the press about 35m this morning I think is perhaps high, but I can see us getting 30m plus shitloads of clauses and potentially player exchanges. He will bankroll next season and I suspect a new higher profile manager like SJ.

I've been screaming it on here for months (particularly in arguments with Rev), he's going to go on to be a big big player for a big big club. We should sell him (I don't think the Championship will add any value to him), but we will look back in years to come at what could have been.
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He’s a charlatan. In an easier League, or a superb side, he’ll look good, as would most internationals.

in a mid table or lower PL club, you’ll get what we’ve had, which is one good game and flashes of good stuff in other games.

Of course the big problem is that whatever it is he does, it doesn’t stop or create goals, and we were crying out for the latter in particular.

I hope he comes back, plays better, and we cash in.

I suppose I will concede he’s young and might, say, become braver, which he desperately needs.
 
Revolution said:
He’s a charlatan. In an easier League, or a superb side, he’ll look good, as would most internationals.

in a mid table or lower PL club, you’ll get what we’ve had, which is one good game and flashes of good stuff in other games.

Of course the big problem is that whatever it is he does, it doesn’t stop or create goals, and we were crying out for the latter in particular.

I hope he comes back, plays better, and we cash in.

I suppose I will concede he’s young and might, say, become braver, which he desperately needs.
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If he goes for more for more money, to a top end Premier League side; it will be fascinating to see how you can justify that you're better judge of a player than a highly paid scouting team or one of the best managers in the world.

I mean, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but I'm curious as to why a club would spend 25m+ on a player when apparently most internationals would look good. Surely you could spend a fraction of such a fee and save lots of money?

I agree that he wasn't suited to our team since he came in, but that means genuinely nothing at all. I would say all bar the top 0.1% of elite players would have looked mediocre in the same period. He's an athlete. Has played well in Europe. Is young. Has an excellent touch for a big lad and no little skill. He'll be a top tier player for many years to come (and it's not just because he'll be at an elite club).
 
Houso said:
If he goes for more for more money, to a top end Premier League side; it will be fascinating to see how you can justify that you're better judge of a player than a highly paid scouting team or one of the best managers in the world.

I mean, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but I'm curious as to why a club would spend 25m+ on a player when apparently most internationals would look good. Surely you could spend a fraction of such a fee and save lots of money?

I agree that he wasn't suited to our team since he came in, but that means genuinely nothing at all. I would say all bar the top 0.1% of elite players would have looked mediocre in the same period. He's an athlete. Has played well in Europe. Is young. Has an excellent touch for a big lad and no little skill. He'll be a top tier player for many years to come (and it's not just because he'll be at an elite club).
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We will see.

And as for athlete, he’s another one of what Deadbat calls the sludge runners. So slow.
 
Revolution said:
We will see.

And as for athlete, he’s another one of what Deadbat calls the sludge runners. So slow.
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He was the fastest player at both Vålerenga and Gent, and has a 40 meter pb at 4,67.

For distance covered with us he's usually been top. This season it's been a problem that our midfielders have been isolated and they've had too much space to cover, struggling to get close to opponents, let alone close enough to making challenges. Berge is almost 100 kg. When he gets tired he's not going to look tenacious. But calling him slow is simply not right.
 
Revolution said:
He's a charlatan.
Of course the big problem is that whatever it is he does, it doesn’t stop or create goals, and we were crying out for the latter in particular.
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Charlatan's a bit harsh. He's a lovely footballer being played out of position. If we needed creativity, which I agree we did, we should have signed a creative midfielder. Hardly Berge's fault.
 
Bearlie said:
We will get 10 / 15 million .....if we get more fair enough im wrong .....to be honest if he had come through ranks was called Paul Smith from Rotherham and performed exactly like for us like sander has ..we would be looking at 500 k ...
He will never play for us again ....
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Bearlie said:
Can you elaborate please mate
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I’ll elaborate, if you’ve watched Sander Berge play and think he’s a 500k player then that’s an embarrassingly poor judgement.
 
Bergen Blade said:
He was the fastest player at both Vålerenga and Gent, and has a 40 meter pb at 4,67.

For distance covered with us he's usually been top. This season it's been a problem that our midfielders have been isolated and they've had too much space to cover, struggling to get close to opponents, let alone close enough to making challenges. Berge is almost 100 kg. When he gets tired he's not going to look tenacious. But calling him slow is simply not right.
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He is chronically slow moving with the ball.

His role in the West Ham goal at the Lane is a case in point. United get the ball and he has a clear run down the right. What does he do? Amble forward a yard, come to a dead stop, and pass back, which causes the ball to go to Ramsdale, one poor kick and it’s in our net 10 seconds later.

He’s got no drive in him at all. In some games he’s completely invisible.
 
Cheesebored said:
Charlatan's a bit harsh. He's a lovely footballer being played out of position. If we needed creativity, which I agree we did, we should have signed a creative midfielder. Hardly Berge's fault.
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Ok, he’s not creative. That’s on the club.

But what is it he’s supposed to have been doing when he’s played? He doesn’t do much of anything.
 
Revolution said:
Ok, he’s not creative. That’s on the club.

But what is it he’s supposed to have been doing when he’s played? He doesn’t do much of anything.
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When he was fit earlier in the season, he was literally (and almost every game) the best player in the midfield and in most games the entire team.

Granted, that is faintest of faint praise. But the point is that if no other cog is working, how could he be expected to be much different?
 



Revolution said:
Ok, he’s not creative. That’s on the club.

But what is it he’s supposed to have been doing when he’s played? He doesn’t do much of anything.
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I'm in agreement that he hasn't done enough, regularly, to say he's been a top player for us but his touch and ability to glide past players can't be in doubt. As Bergen points out I don't think he's as slow as some make out but can look ponderous when tracking back. I think he's suffered from not playing regularly in his preferred position and in an under performing team. He'll turn out to be a top player IMO sadly not with us.
 
Houso said:
When he was fit earlier in the season, he was literally (and almost every game) the best player in the midfield and in most games the entire team.

Granted, that is faintest of faint praise. But the point is that if no other cog is working, how could he be expected to be much different?
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That is hyperbole. Basham, McGoldrick, Egan and Baldock all outperformed him on a regular basis.

Midfield? Yep, tallest dwarf at best, but Spurs aside we didn’t see anything when they were on song last season.
 
Revolution said:
He is chronically slow moving with the ball.

His role in the West Ham goal at the Lane is a case in point. United get the ball and he has a clear run down the right. What does he do? Amble forward a yard, come to a dead stop, and pass back, which causes the ball to go to Ramsdale, one poor kick and it’s in our net 10 seconds later.

He’s got no drive in him at all. In some games he’s completely invisible.
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WH goal: We press high up, but they find a way out and start a break, switching play to their left. Berge is high up but starts tracking back:

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A few seconds later and Berge catches up with their left back and collectively we manage to stop their attack. Then Berge gets on the ball and carries it from the position below...



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... to this. Personally I wish we'd be better at these situations, it's a decent chance for us to hit them on the break. But there has to be real movement (and preferably pace) in front of him. McGoldrick and McBurnie are not making whole hearted runs, and I'm not sure either would be pacey enough to try running through, as WH do have defenders back still. Berge looks wide right for support, then decides to keep possession.

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We then play four or five more passes in our own half, before Ramsdale plays it long, leading to them getting possession and running through us and scoring.


It may have looked a good chance, as he ran into space, but the options were limited, and after running almost the diagonal length of the pitch backtracking, challenging, then running back to the half way line on the ball, it is asking a little much of him to take on the WH defence by himself. If he'd found McGoldrick I suspect he would also have tried holding the ball up, rather than directly continuing with the break.
 
Bergen Blade said:
WH goal: We press high up, but they find a way out and start a break, switching play to their left. Berge is high up but starts tracking back:

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A few seconds later and Berge catches up with their left back and collectively we manage to stop their attack. Then Berge gets on the ball and carries it from the position below...



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... to this. Personally I wish we'd be better at these situations, it's a decent chance for us to hit them on the break. But there has to be real movement (and preferably pace) in front of him. McGoldrick and McBurnie are not making whole hearted runs, and I'm not sure either would be pacey enough to try running through, as WH do have defenders back still. Berge looks wide right for support, then decides to keep possession.

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We then play four or five more passes in our own half, before Ramsdale plays it long, leading to them getting possession and running through us and scoring.


It may have looked a good chance, as he ran into space, but the options were limited, and after running almost the diagonal length of the pitch backtracking, challenging, then running back to the half way line on the ball, it is asking a little much of him to take on the WH defence by himself. If he'd found McGoldrick I suspect he would also have tried holding the ball up, rather than directly continuing with the break.
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We are so poor upfront for pace and movement. One of the puzzling things about the way we've been playing is that we literally don't have the players to hit any team on the break but yet we're ceding possession.
 
Bergen Blade said:
WH goal: We press high up, but they find a way out and start a break, switching play to their left. Berge is high up but starts tracking back:

View attachment 109301


A few seconds later and Berge catches up with their left back and collectively we manage to stop their attack. Then Berge gets on the ball and carries it from the position below...



View attachment 109302



... to this. Personally I wish we'd be better at these situations, it's a decent chance for us to hit them on the break. But there has to be real movement (and preferably pace) in front of him. McGoldrick and McBurnie are not making whole hearted runs, and I'm not sure either would be pacey enough to try running through, as WH do have defenders back still. Berge looks wide right for support, then decides to keep possession.

View attachment 109303

We then play four or five more passes in our own half, before Ramsdale plays it long, leading to them getting possession and running through us and scoring.


It may have looked a good chance, as he ran into space, but the options were limited, and after running almost the diagonal length of the pitch backtracking, challenging, then running back to the half way line on the ball, it is asking a little much of him to take on the WH defence by himself. If he'd found McGoldrick I suspect he would also have tried holding the ball up, rather than directly continuing with the break.
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Funny, but that’s the way it works almost every time. Get ball, stop, go back.

If that’s what Klopp is looking for, Lundstram also does that and he’s going to leave for free.
 
He reminds me of 1970's Chelsea. All blue would suit him. £30,000,000 would be a snip for them.
 
Revolution said:
Funny, but that’s the way it works almost every time. Get ball, stop, go back.

If that’s what Klopp is looking for, Lundstram also does that and he’s going to leave for free.
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It may help having the likes of Mane, Firminho and Salah in front of him, but again Berge is no Fernandes.
 
It would not be unusual for a relegation release clause in a players contract to be considerably less than the fee paid for them.

That's the risk a club takes to keep hold of better players.
 
Houso said:
When he was fit earlier in the season, he was literally (and almost every game) the best player in the midfield and in most games the entire team.

Granted, that is faintest of faint praise. But the point is that if no other cog is working, how could he be expected to be much different?
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I cai
Swinton Blade said:
Thankfully Bearlie is not employed at our club to buy/sell players.
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Thank god wilder is not employed to buy them anymore
 
Why was he called up by national team?

He's not even on bench today, clearly not fit.
 
Houso said:
When he was fit earlier in the season, he was literally (and almost every game) the best player in the midfield and in most games the entire team.

Granted, that is faintest of faint praise. But the point is that if no other cog is working, how could he be expected to be much different?
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1-0-0%.

Sander will have a long career at the top of the game. I have no doubts. In years to come, it will be laughable to suggest that he wasn't good enough for Sheffield United.
 



Revolution said:
Funny, but that’s the way it works almost every time. Get ball, stop, go back.

If that’s what Klopp is looking for, Lundstram also does that and he’s going to leave for free.
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Lundstram does not do that and that's why the entire fan base wants him out the team
 
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