Sander Berge

[DronnieBlade]

He’s already proved that he is.

I’m sorry if you are disappointed at that, but its how it is. Generally recognised by most of us now.

Then one of us is wrong.

Let’s see if his career with us is even remotely successful.

To date, poor performances outway decent ones. FACT.

I am guessing you don’t see it like that.

Shocker .

Pure as the driven snow dem bad boys .

UTB

 

[Nick Jansky]

Then one of us is wrong.

Let’s see if his career with us is even remotely successful.

To date, poor performances outway decent ones. FACT.

I am guessing you don’t see it like that.

Shocker .

Pure as the driven snow dem bad boys .


UTB

sigh
No I don’t see it as you do, thankfully. I’ve won 4 league titles as a manager, but don’t profess to be anywhere near CWAK in terms of recognising a player, unlike you with your ridiculous

As Jimmy Armfield one said in a post match press room, show us your medals.

Clown.

 

[bromtom]

McB is not, and will never be, an EPL level player.

This will disappoint a few, but for those of you that plan to build a team around him, do yourselves a favour !!

UTB

As a striker, he is, he's not an elite EPL level player and probably never will be, but the majority of strikers who have made a career in the Premier League aren't either.

He's a 10 goal in a good season striker at the moment, and the Prem relies on those. There aren't 20 or 30 Aubamayangs and Kanes dispersed through the league.

 

[DronnieBlade]

As a striker, he is, he's not an elite EPL level player and probably never will be, but the majority of strikers who have made a career in the Premier League aren't either.

He's a 10 goal in a good season striker at the moment, and the Prem relies on those. There aren't 20 or 30 Aubamayangs and Kanes dispersed through the league.

As I say, let’s see how things pan out.

Shall we ???

UTB

 

[Nick Jansky]

sigh
No I don’t see it as you do, thankfully. I’ve won 4 league titles as a manager, but don’t profess to be anywhere near CWAK in terms of recognising a player, unlike you with your ridiculous

As Jimmy Armfield one said in a post match press room, show us your medals.

As I say, let’s see how things pan out.

Shall we ???

UTB

Yep, keep banging your lonely little drum for the amusement of the rest of us

 

[Silent Blade]

As I say, let’s see how things pan out.

Shall we ???

UTB

Thought this troll had disappeared!

 

[DronnieBlade]

I advise a lengthy course, until all symptoms cease .

UTB

 

[Nick Jansky]

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I advise a lengthy course, until all symptoms cease .

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Take some & off you trot, then

 

[bromtom]

As I say, let’s see how things pan out.

Shall we ???

UTB

Why so cryptic? He's obviously a Premier League quality striker because he's scored goals in the Premier League and has chances.

He's not an Elite Premier League striker, which is a fair comment and one that I agree with.

If he wasn't a EPL level striker at all though he wouldn't have any goals or wouldn't get in positions to score them.

The majority of strikers in the Premier League would have had a great season if they get 10 goals.

The players on last season's top scorers list with 10/11/12 goals, most of them would cost £70-£100m, Rashford, Firminho, Jesus, Lukaku etc

McBurnie cost £17m, your expectation level is the issue, and inability to see a place for players that just chip in.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Why so cryptic? He's obviously a Premier League quality striker because he's scored goals in the Premier League and has chances.

He's not an Elite Premier League striker, which is a fair comment and one that I agree with.

If he wasn't a EPL level striker at all though he wouldn't have any goals or wouldn't get in positions to score them.

The majority of strikers in the Premier League would have had a great season if they get 10 goals.

The players on last season's top scorers list with 10/11/12 goals, most of them would cost £70-£100m, Rashford, Firminho, Jesus, Lukaku etc

McBurnie cost £17m, your expectation level is the issue, and inability to see a place for players that just chip in.

Thanks for putting me straight.

I’ll try to do better going forwards .

UTB

 

[Nick Jansky]

Why so cryptic? He's obviously a Premier League quality striker because he's scored goals in the Premier League and has chances.

He's not an Elite Premier League striker, which is a fair comment and one that I agree with.

If he wasn't a EPL level striker at all though he wouldn't have any goals or wouldn't get in positions to score them.

The majority of strikers in the Premier League would have had a great season if they get 10 goals.

The players on last season's top scorers list with 10/11/12 goals, most of them would cost £70-£100m, Rashford, Firminho, Jesus, Lukaku etc

McBurnie cost £17m, your expectation level is the issue, and inability to see a place for players that just chip in.

Here’s a clue, Bromtom.
He knows nothing about football.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Thanks for putting me straight.

I’ll try to do better going forwards .

UTB

But do you think you are up to it?

 

[BigBed]

Don't you understand how it works? The trickery of McGoldrick made infinitely more sense than putting more pace on upfront.
I repeat, Mousset's pace would've made absolutely no difference in this game as we were already pinning them to their own 18 yard box

Absolutely no difference, which is exactly the effect Didzy had on the game.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Absolutely no difference, which is exactly the effect Didzy had on the game.

Except setting a sitter up for McB.

 

[The Vicar]

At the risk of sticking my oar in, not one of the high profile [expensive] strikers brought in by PL clubs in summer 2019 have been really effective in scoring goals [Haller, Joleinton, Maupay, Wesley, McBurnie, Perez, Pepe, Kean], no one has scored 10 goals, [Maupay 8 & Perez 7 are the best]. Joleinton cost 40m & has scored 1!!!!.

The top scorers in the PL have all been with their clubs over 1 season, & most of them over 3 seasons. So all of the above will be seen as investments that will hopefully mature, & probably some will but others will not. But 17-20m for McBurnie is not a large outlay even on this seasons showing, & if he improves in the following seasons he will be seen as a good buy, but if not he goes or is a squad player. The above are facts & not hypothesis - too many experts on this forum!

UTB

MTLBWY

 

[itsinyerblood]

Well said I agree with all that you have put.Some have very short memories it was not more than seven months ago that we were praying to finish forth from bottom,how can anyone knock Wilders decisions ?We have the best manager in Britain who else could have done a better job?He sees things in a player others don't .Think of some of the players who before he came were not worth a lite .I remember Couttes (spelling could be wrong)he was shocking Wilder arrives and he was magical until his leg break and we all wonder how we would manage without him.Now we have a player who attracted attention from some big clubs he has only been here five minutes and some are having a pop at him.Give him time he is just a young lad in a strange country playing in a unfamiliar league.He admits it is much quicker than anything he has had to contend with before.If Wilder and Liverpool plus other top clubs think he is class that's alright by me.Give him a chance.Wilder has not had time yet to work his magic on him.Remember we have a gem in Wilder ,3 years ago we were in the old third division and we could not get out we had found our level now look at us being disappointed having only drawn with Brighton and Man united should tell us how far Wilder has took us.I think no one else could have done it so don't knock him he deserves our full backing no matter what decisions you might not agree with,he has shown he knows better than all us armchair managers.

As a huge admirer of Paul Coutts, how else could I not agree with your summary Charlie? Coutts was, as you've said, someone who was always a great technical player, but he lacked the ability to take a game by the scruff of the neck, that is until Wilder gave him an ultimatum. From that moment on we saw a transformation that, to my mind, made Coutts our most vital player. That's not to undermine other players, but the newly transformed Coutts was central to what was a superb midfield with Fleck and Duffy outstanding too.

Coutts became a joy to watch, he maintained a standard of play that was a class above others, and this continued as we gained promotion to the Championship. He looked every part a player of quality, and this promised that should we manage to get promoted to the Premier Division, that Coutts would compete at the highest level. It was a tragedy that Sordell's atrocious tackle ended Coutts' career with United. We looked a very different team without Coutts, that is until Wilder managed to sign Norwood, and although a different type of player, in Norwood we discovered a player with the type of experience who could exert a positive influence over the team...and ever since we've shown incredible form, so good in fact that we've deserved to be 7th in the Premier Division!

Well said Charlie, from one Coutts' fan to another, congratulations on such an accurate appraisal of our club.

 

[I should coco]

McB is not, and will never be, an EPL level player.

This will disappoint a few, but for those of you that plan to build a team around him, do yourselves a favour !!

UTB

WUM post hijacking a thread about another player.

I see you sensibly kept your head down after his great performances against Bournemouth and Brighton, but you just can't help yourself.

Given that the thread is about Sander, I note most sensible Blades are saying it is very early days. The same is obviously true for McB, unless of course you happen to have a particular agenda.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Given that the thread is about Sander, I note most sensible Blades are saying it is very early days. The same is obviously true for McB, unless of course you happen to have a particular agenda.

Yes, early days and it's easy to forget he's only just 22. Where were the rest of our players at 22?


Henderson (March 2019) On loan with us, on the way to promotion from the Championship

Baldock (April 2015) On loan at Oxford, League Two, from MK Dons.

Basham (Jul 2010) 2 starts and 8 sub apperances for Premiership Bolton the previous season. Left to join Blackpool, also in the Prem.

Egan (Oct 2014) Newish signing at Gillingham League One. Played for Southend (L2) the previous season.

O'Connell (Mar 2016) Made 9 starts for Brentford in the Championship that season.

Stevens (Jul 2012) Had been on loan at Shamrock Rovers from Villa the previous season.

Norwood (Apr 2013) Regular for Huddersfield (19th) in the Championship

Fleck (Aug 2013) Regular for Coventry (15th) in League One

Sharp (Feb 2008) Back at United in the Championship, having scored loads for R&D and Scunthorpe. Only two goals by Feb.

McBurnie (Jun 2018) Finished the previous season at Barnsley (Relegated) in the Championship. Before that played a bit (no goals) in the Prem for Swansea)

 

[ForgeBlade]

He'll come good. Wouldn't be surprised to see him dominate Norwich with 2 weeks of intense training in our system under his belt. Watched him for Genk in the CL and he is a frighteningly good player when he's on top of his game. Once he's truly used to how we play he'll look every inch a £22m player.

 

[Upton_Blade]

At the risk of sticking my oar in, not one of the high profile [expensive] strikers brought in by PL clubs in summer 2019 have been really effective in scoring goals [Haller, Joleinton, Maupay, Wesley, McBurnie, Perez, Pepe, Kean], no one has scored 10 goals, [Maupay 8 & Perez 7 are the best]. Joleinton cost 40m & has scored 1!!!!.

The top scorers in the PL have all been with their clubs over 1 season, & most of them over 3 seasons. So all of the above will be seen as investments that will hopefully mature, & probably some will but others will not. But 17-20m for McBurnie is not a large outlay even on this seasons showing, & if he improves in the following seasons he will be seen as a good buy, but if not he goes or is a squad player. The above are facts & not hypothesis - too many experts on this forum!

UTB

MTLBWY

Great Post

 

[Upton_Blade]

McB is not, and will never be, an EPL level player.

This will disappoint a few, but for those of you that plan to build a team around him, do yourselves a favour !!

UTB

I say this with the greatest respect but are you taking the piss?

Not every single player can adapt to The Prem as well as most of them have done straight away. Some will take longer and some just never will.

History is littered with players that have seemingly been too good for The Championship but just haven't cut it in The Prem for whatever reason. Jason Koumas being an absolute prime example and potentially Callum Robinson will fall into that category.

McBurnie has been superb since Christmas and looks like he is finally justifying his price tag. He has absolutely run himself the ground the last few games and to say he doesn't look like an EPL standard player is, quite frankly, embarrassing on your part.

 

[DronnieBlade]

WUM post hijacking a thread about another player.

I see you sensibly kept your head down after his great performances against Bournemouth and Brighton, but you just can't help yourself.

Given that the thread is about Sander, I note most sensible Blades are saying it is very early days. The same is obviously true for McB, unless of course you happen to have a particular agenda.

Been away pal.

You missed me ?

x

UTB

 

[BigBed]

Except setting a sitter up for McB.

Who scored in spectacular fashion............Oh, hang on.

 

[I should coco]

Yes, early days and it's easy to forget he's only just 22. Where were the rest of our players at 22?


Henderson (March 2019) On loan with us, on the way to promotion from the Championship

Baldock (April 2015) On loan at Oxford, League Two, from MK Dons.

Basham (Jul 2010) 2 starts and 8 sub apperances for Premiership Bolton the previous season. Left to join Blackpool, also in the Prem.

Egan (Oct 2014) Newish signing at Gillingham League One. Played for Southend (L2) the previous season.

O'Connell (Mar 2016) Made 9 starts for Brentford in the Championship that season.

Stevens (Jul 2012) Had been on loan at Shamrock Rovers from Villa the previous season.

Norwood (Apr 2013) Regular for Huddersfield (19th) in the Championship

Fleck (Aug 2013) Regular for Coventry (15th) in League One

Sharp (Feb 2008) Back at United in the Championship, having scored loads for R&D and Scunthorpe. Only two goals by Feb.

McBurnie (Jun 2018) Finished the previous season at Barnsley (Relegated) in the Championship. Before that played a bit (no goals) in the Prem for Swansea)

Wow, posted less than an hour after mine.
That took some research and a great post to boot.

The pressure is on @silentblade to deliver some decent stuff now.

 

[I should coco]

Been away pal.

You missed me ?

x

UTB

No.

Your anti-Hanson stuff made for some interesting exchanges.

Your anti-Leon stuff got a bit predictable, especially when you couldn't even credit him for the 4 against Ull.

Your anti-McB stuff is beyond tiresome and seems agenda driven WUM like.
I stopped responding to Pinchy's WUM shite and see no reason to deviate from a similar policy.

 

[GrayBlade]

At the risk of sticking my oar in, not one of the high profile [expensive] strikers brought in by PL clubs in summer 2019 have been really effective in scoring goals [Haller, Joleinton, Maupay, Wesley, McBurnie, Perez, Pepe, Kean], no one has scored 10 goals, [Maupay 8 & Perez 7 are the best]. Joleinton cost 40m & has scored 1!!!!.

The top scorers in the PL have all been with their clubs over 1 season, & most of them over 3 seasons. So all of the above will be seen as investments that will hopefully mature, & probably some will but others will not. But 17-20m for McBurnie is not a large outlay even on this seasons showing, & if he improves in the following seasons he will be seen as a good buy, but if not he goes or is a squad player. The above are facts & not hypothesis - too many experts on this forum!

UTB

MTLBWY

But on FIFA and Football Manager on Xbox and Playstation, the players that you mention settled immediately and have fantastic stats. Maybe there’s a clue in that? Who needs time to settle In these days eh?

 

[I should coco]

But on FIFA and Football Manager on Xbox and Playstation, the players that you mention settled immediately and have fantastic stats. Maybe there’s a clue in that? Who needs time to settle In these days eh?

I'm sure plenty of the old dinosaur pundits will still be telling us that Villa will stay up because they spent so much, so Wesley must be a great buy.

Alan Brazil, Steve Nicol, Stan Womanbeater, Garth Crooks..
Come on down!

 

[CoatesyBlade]

What's going on with a couple on this thread?? I understand emotions run high on a Saturday and sometimes we vent. I myself gobbed off at a Brighton fan on here! But it's Thursday now and some people aren't big enough to admit they were a tad hasty with their judgement. I honestly can't believe a) the stick McBurnie is getting. You must be blind if you can't see how much he's improved since he's been with us. I'm proud of the lad as I am with all of them.. And b) that one in particular is second guessing CWAK!! The guys taken us from tears to fucking glory! And said individual thinks he knows best! ... It's fucking ridiculous! UTB

 

[GrayBlade]

Looking at some posts on this thread, I wonder how much of the alleged issue is down to fans getting way above themselves rather than a serious problem with players. Suddenly we’re going for Europe rather than fighting to stay in the division like nearly everybody thought we’d be and for some it seems, expectations have now gone right through the roof. Let‘s keep it real guys and just back the lads like we have done the past 3 seasons.

 

[Akinbiyi]

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I advise a lengthy course, until all symptoms cease .

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Take the whole box and see what happens