Sack Wilder

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Why were they uncalled for?

It’s a forum for opinions, mine was that he shouldn’t have come back. I’m more than happy to admit I was wrong but let’s stop with the “I told you so” bollocks. And the clown emoji is uncalled for too.

He’s back, he’s done a far better job than I thought he would with relatively meagre resources and a backdrop of boardroom fuckwittery.

But the comments weren't just 'he's a poor manager' (which is acceptable in opinion) the hate on one of our ex successful managers who's a blade was pathetic.

 

[The Crab]

But the comments weren't just 'he's a poor manager' (which is acceptable in opinion) the hate on one of our ex successful managers who's a blade was pathetic.

Some of them did go too far to be honest yes.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Some of them did go too far to be honest yes.

I just think unfortunately as a club only certain type of managers seem to succeed here? We've tried different routes in the past and failed, Bassett, Warnock and Wilder seem to just be perfect fits for us.

I dont have a clue why other type of managers fail here but that's why I was happy with CW back and his good record of rebuilding.

 

[Blade45]

Wilder in.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Slight difference for me is that Coutts just looked a poor player then became a good one, we know Anel has the ability, he just lacked the application.

Agreed , but the post I quoted was referring to Souza not him although I suppose the same applies .

 

[LondonBlade89]

He's winning me round. Thankfully he's keeping his mouth shut and letting performances speak for themselves. I thought it was telling at the weekend when he answered a question about the boardroom with "that's not my area of concern. My concern is what happens on the pitch". It appears a leapord can change his spots!

Edit: Called you out on not admitting you were wrong but then couldn’t be arsed. People get shit wrong, who cares.

 

[Tom Bott]

That's why they put rubbers on the end of pencils, because people make mistakes in life.

Fleabag.

 

[1987]

He's winning me round. Thankfully he's keeping his mouth shut and letting performances speak for themselves. I thought it was telling at the weekend when he answered a question about the boardroom with "that's not my area of concern. My concern is what happens on the pitch". It appears a leapord can change his spots!

Fuck me that's high praise, from you.

You be ready to take your Danny Rohl poster down soon?

 

[Bergen Blade]

Slight difference for me is that Coutts just looked a poor player then became a good one, we know Anel has the ability, he just lacked the application.

I think Coutts had the ability, he just lacked the application.

 

[crazyblade1889]

But the comments weren't just 'he's a poor manager' (which is acceptable in opinion) the hate on one of our ex successful managers who's a blade was pathetic.

The comments were justified at the time. Wilder behaved like a spoilt little bitch and pissed off as soon as he felt better options were available to him, but not before taking several cheap shots at the owner and club and pocketing millions. He then came back with his tail between his legs as soon as those offers didn’t materialise. His ability to manage has never been questioned but quite rightly his character was, due to his behaviour during his previous tenure at the club. A clean slate has been given now and things largely put to bed. Doesn’t mean that fans were wrong to be pissed off at the time about what had happened.

 

[1987]

I think it's conveniently forgotten about, that around the time Wilder left there were PLENTY on here who wanted him gone. Not a majority, but plenty.

Many of the same ones who wanted him gone, have peddled the "backdoor" lines since, bizarrely.

 

[Booker4]

The comments were justified at the time. Wilder behaved like a spoilt little bitch and pissed off as soon as he felt better options were available to him, but not before taking several cheap shots at the owner and club and pocketing millions. He then came back with his tail between his legs as soon as those offers didn’t materialise. His ability to manage has never been questioned but quite rightly his character was, due to his behaviour during his previous tenure at the club. A clean slate has been given now and things largely put to bed. Doesn’t mean that fans were wrong to be pissed off at the time about what had happened.

I actually get some of what you're saying there in fairness. I think most were annoyed how it ended and the weeks leading to the departure of Wilder were embarrassing at times in terms of Wilders interviews. I didn't like how he became increasingly critical of the players including naming players at one point.

However he must have been under incredible pressure then and it was just becoming untenable. As I said at the time, we as fans have little idea of all the factors behind the scenes.

I was also very disappointed with the Prince though because in my view he should have done everything he could to keep Wilder. Maybe he did, but I'm skeptical of that and Wilder talking about the plan and insinuating things were changing not as Wilder wanted indicated that the Prince was not doing his best to keep Wilder.

Your point from last season though, with respect, seemed to suggest he wasn't the best man for the job, or even close. That's the bit I disagreed with because I've always felt he was the best man for the job, certainly within realistic parameters of who we could get but even that withstanding I just think Wilder with United is always a great match. He needed us, we needed him.

 

[Demblayards]

The comments were justified at the time. Wilder behaved like a spoilt little bitch and pissed off as soon as he felt better options were available to him, but not before taking several cheap shots at the owner and club and pocketing millions. He then came back with his tail between his legs as soon as those offers didn’t materialise. His ability to manage has never been questioned but quite rightly his character was, due to his behaviour during his previous tenure at the club. A clean slate has been given now and things largely put to bed. Doesn’t mean that fans were wrong to be pissed off at the time about what had happened.

Agreed

 

[UddersBlade]

I still think that the impact of Covid had a big effect on Wilders mental strength and behaviour at that time. I think he really missed the interaction with the players, fans etc and it affected him badly. It affected a few friends I have more than others - very much depended upon the job they were doing. 2020 & 2021 were just weird times looking back now & Wilder looks more like the guy we had in 2019 at the moment.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

All he has to do is get us back to the prem and finish in the top 10 again and all will be forgiven

 

[Houston_Blade]

I think Coutts had the ability, he just lacked the application.

He’d not shown the ability in a Blades shirt though at that point, we’ve seen Anel being very good.

 

[Badger Blade]

He needed us, we needed him.

Key point right there.

Last chance saloon for him to prove that he still has what it takes and that the success we had the first time round wasn't a Phil Brown fluke. The other option is sitting with Prutton talking shite while the rest of us go for half time wees and teas.

So far Wilder has his mojo back but it also goes to prove that the circumstances have to be right for him to succeed

Wilder v1 - we finished in our lowest position for god knows how long. Sweeping changes needed to be made, he made them and carried it further than anyone thought possible. Just the ending that was pretty sour and a lack of ability to consolidate ourselves at the top level. We weren't broken at that point so maybe there was a difficulty in knowing what to do to go again. Spent big on Brewster and Ramsdale and it didn't work.

Wilder v2 - one of the worst teams in Premier League history, inheriting a hotch-potch team of utter rubbish that was doomed right before a ball was kicked. Saw the problem (conceding goals) and has rectified it through shrewd loans and signing players who can make the step up (see Enda Stevens). Best performing team in the league so far if we strip out the points deduction.

Maintaining the status quo is the part that Wilder seems to struggle with. If he can put his own stamp on something straight away and build it from the ground up, he seems to succeed. If he's picking up someone like Watford or Middlesbrough who are in a bit of a slump but aren't fully damaged goods, there seems to be an issue with what to do and to what extent it needs tweaking.

 

[Stanthemanfan]

It's a bit early for this after less than a quarter of a season plus obviously when things are going great obviously wilder and sousa are both happy but both have shown under pressure they play the blame game
Let's see where this latest bladeacoaster takes us eh?

 

[cahill]

I’m absolutely guilty of not wanting Wilder back for several reasons. I’m eating shit now, but feeling great about the Blades.

 

[biggiesablade]

I’m absolutely guilty of not wanting Wilder back for several reasons. I’m eating shit now, but feeling great about the Blades.

I clearly remember saying "this fuckin fat tramp looks like he's sweating pure Peroni warra backwards club ffs man"
But here we are and I couldn't be more behind him, until we lose.

 

[Half Bond Jls]

All these 'i told you so' captain retrospects... don't forget where wilder was when he re-joined

Failed at Middlesborough and Watford with 2x distinctly average championship runnings, people were suggesting he was the next Phil Brown and he'd be best dropping down to L1/L2 to claw back some respect from the footballing world

If we're talking about comebacks... the biggest has been Chris Wilder's! i can't say i predicted it, but i'm buzzing and here for it

Don't forget where United were when he came first time. But I'm with you for buzzing for what he's doing now

 

[SUFCinks]

I didn’t wan’t wilder back. He’s doing a really good job though so fair play to him. He is winning me round slowly. If he can get us playing better football and scoring more goals then i’ll be converted. Points wise 9/10, football wise 6 or 7/10. Lets be honest we’ve had some very basic performances so far, which Wilder himself acknowledges.

 

[sheff_blade90]

I don't recall us booing Coutts on to the pitch as a sub though

no but as incredibly as it to believe now he's was booed off the pitch as a sub v scunthorpe. which often forgot because as we saw v derby is well loved & because hammond & woolford were hated more

 

[sheff_blade90]

at the time i knew heckys time was up after Bournemouth not all his fault. so many contributing factors to that. but being proved so embarrassingly wrong about southgate & heckys appointments.

i think i mentioned hassenhutl but i reserved judgement & just hoped he could recapture the magic. will say i thought the football under wilder was far better than hecky

 

[Gimli]

All these 'i told you so' captain retrospects... don't forget where wilder was when he re-joined

Failed at Middlesborough and Watford with 2x distinctly average championship runnings, people were suggesting he was the next Phil Brown and he'd be best dropping down to L1/L2 to claw back some respect from the footballing world

If we're talking about comebacks... the biggest has been Chris Wilder's! i can't say i predicted it, but i'm buzzing and here for it

Did he really ‘fail at Watford and Middlesbrough?’

Even the great Michael Carrick hasn’t taken the galactico Middlesbrough team to the premier league and Watford is one of the most chaotically run clubs in the EFL. I think too many are too quick to write off Wilder’s stints at both clubs as ‘failure’

 

[AWetFlannel]

Paul Coutts ?

I remember someone screaming at Coutts calling him a cunt at an away game, he was about 5 yards away and heard.

I didn't like him and thought he was a waste of space, but that was uncalled for. Winds me up every time I recall it.

 

[72 years a blade]

What gets me about Wilder is that we don't hear a sound from him when we sell our best players ; there's nothing at all but silence.

 

[Booker4]

Key point right there.

Last chance saloon for him to prove that he still has what it takes and that the success we had the first time round wasn't a Phil Brown fluke. The other option is sitting with Prutton talking shite while the rest of us go for half time wees and teas.

So far Wilder has his mojo back but it also goes to prove that the circumstances have to be right for him to succeed

Wilder v1 - we finished in our lowest position for god knows how long. Sweeping changes needed to be made, he made them and carried it further than anyone thought possible. Just the ending that was pretty sour and a lack of ability to consolidate ourselves at the top level. We weren't broken at that point so maybe there was a difficulty in knowing what to do to go again. Spent big on Brewster and Ramsdale and it didn't work.

Wilder v2 - one of the worst teams in Premier League history, inheriting a hotch-potch team of utter rubbish that was doomed right before a ball was kicked. Saw the problem (conceding goals) and has rectified it through shrewd loans and signing players who can make the step up (see Enda Stevens). Best performing team in the league so far if we strip out the points deduction.

Maintaining the status quo is the part that Wilder seems to struggle with. If he can put his own stamp on something straight away and build it from the ground up, he seems to succeed. If he's picking up someone like Watford or Middlesbrough who are in a bit of a slump but aren't fully damaged goods, there seems to be an issue with what to do and to what extent it needs tweaking.

Ramadale was sold on for a profit so overall that transfer worked. Brewster hadn't but he's also had a lot of injuries which obviously no one could forecast.

Overall though a decent post though and I agree with you.

Before united first time round though he'd had some decent success which is worth mentioning. He took over a mess at Northampton and succeeded for example.