CONFIRMED Rubén Sellés - Three year deal

[CaptainMorgans]

Absolutely spot on … but I do also worry about Selles naivety defensively. With the attacking talents that we have, it would be difficult not to look good at times going forwards. There seemed to be a complete disregard for the basics of keeping a solid shape when defending, picking up opposition players and getting pressure on the ball…. plus a total lack of on-field leadership. I’m fine with his desire to be expansive but it has to be balanced by a well drilled approach to defending. Fingers crossed he rapidly gets some experienced defenders in to help him achieve it.

Perhaps.

But as I said in Shoutbox, if you drop Choudhury, Souttar, Ahmedhodzic and Souza into yesterday's XI - we lose nothing going forwards and definitely don't get picked apart on the break.

Options available to Wilder, but not to Selles.
He needs the personnel before we can judge his tactics.

 

[Bladesince59]

We looked great going forward in the first half and scored ONCE

 

[ekke287]

We need defenders, it’s clear to see. Without that then any manager is going to be exposed playing an attacking line.

It’s a poor start but let’s not overlook the facts in favour of the score line. Despite the openness at the back we actually weren’t under the cosh in any respect, and 4 goals flatters Bristol City here.

1 set piece, 1 counter, 1 close range quick fire air shot, 1 heavy deflection. They all count obviously but I’d argue only their second was to do with our lack of shape. Even their third comes from our mistake.

Alongside this we peppered their goal first half, and another day we comfortably win.

Hamer being stupid to give away their first doesn’t help, and he didn’t offer much overall. O’Hare much more active and MOM for me. Binden needs time, Brooks, Seriki, Peck, One, all still kids.

It’s a bad start but we as fans need patience and hope that there is a plan from board level. If there isn’t then feel free to panic, but we won’t know until the window closes as to where we are.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

We looked great going forward in the first half and scored ONCE

True. Scored a nice goal but again never really convinced that we carried enough devil up front.
Hard to believe there isn't someone in the youth ranks, maybe Marsh, who doesn't offer more than Cannon who looks like he needs another club for his own and our sake.

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

2.5 XG, 20+ shots, 14 corners, 75% possession.
Stats rarely (if ever) seen under Wilder.
Against decent opposition too.

I'd seen enough in the first half to obtain a level of confidence in Selles.
He's very quickly implemented some fast attacking patterns.

At worst, the tactics were naive. If it was knockout football, then I'd agree - suicidal.
But it's his first game into a long rebuild, trying to change the culture of the club.

Drop 3/4 quality players into that starting XI, particularly in defence... and I don't think we get exposed on the counter as we did.
In fact, we probably win comfortably.

The owners have put Selles to work without the tools for the job. This is on them.
We'll see what happens over the next few weeks, there's time for it to be turned around but the murmurs about their willingness to invest and confusion on how to invest are concerning.
Their PR has been terrible and I can't fathom why they haven't brought in some "soccer" advisors. What do a bunch of millionaires from Ohio know about the EFL? Who's calling the shots?

They gave Wilder a 3 year deal then sacked him when he fell at the final hurdle.
What does that say about them and their objectives?
Why bring in Selles, a complete change of direction, if you're not going to provide the investment to allow him to implement his ideas...?

We'll find out over the next few weeks whether this is "bedwetting," as so many enjoy labeling it.. or if the concerns have been valid.

Unless Bristol at home on the first game means everything, then zero blame on Selles for me.
I'm fully behind what he's trying to do...
I actually want to be entertained watching United.

Agreed. Some terrible individual defending but I think 4/5 times we win or at worst draw that game.

To me it was a bit like that scunthorpe game when Forte ran us ragged, or the 3-0 loss against Southend early in Wilders reign.

Clearly not a good start, but those that see the bigger picture must have seen some areas in that performance to build on.

 

[BladeInIreland]

How do you know it's the right change though?

Selles hardly has a managerial career that screams at you that you that he can take a club to the next level.

I don't, wouldn't have been my first choice either but he's here now and it was always going to take time never mind one game with a broken squad.

 

[Striker]

Its reassuring that he's admitted we were too open in transition, and needed more structure in the middle of the pitch and took responsibility for that. Some managers would just double down.

There were some good attacking moves during that game and we were unlucky to only score one.

If we sort out the defensive side of things with improved structure and personel then we might be alright.

If!!! "We might be alright"
Oh that's alright then.

 

[Silky Sabella]

Well no, but doesn’t change that some are and will do so

Need 2 forums Foxy
One for pro manager, pro club , positive attitude.
One for negative, moaning, whining wingers.

 

[HarryHaslam]

Need 2 forums Foxy
One for pro manager, pro club , positive attitude.
One for negative, moaning, whining wingers.

Some brass neck on you ya clown, after all the negativity, moaning, whining, constant hatred of our manager last season you now want people to not be like you

 

[Snake]

2.5 XG, 20+ shots, 14 corners, 75% possession.
Stats rarely (if ever) seen under Wilder.
Against decent opposition too.

I'd seen enough in the first half to obtain a level of confidence in Selles.
He's very quickly implemented some fast attacking patterns.

At worst, the tactics were naive. If it was knockout football, then I'd agree - suicidal.
But it's his first game into a long rebuild, trying to change the culture of the club.

Drop 3/4 quality players into that starting XI, particularly in defence... and I don't think we get exposed on the counter as we did.
In fact, we probably win comfortably.

The owners have put Selles to work without the tools for the job. This is on them.
We'll see what happens over the next few weeks, there's time for it to be turned around but the murmurs about their willingness to invest and confusion on how to invest are concerning.
Their PR has been terrible and I can't fathom why they haven't brought in some "soccer" advisors. What do a bunch of millionaires from Ohio know about the EFL? Who's calling the shots?

They gave Wilder a 3 year deal then sacked him when he fell at the final hurdle.
What does that say about them and their objectives?
Why bring in Selles, a complete change of direction, if you're not going to provide the investment to allow him to implement his ideas...?

We'll find out over the next few weeks whether this is "bedwetting," as so many enjoy labeling it.. or if the concerns have been valid.

Unless Bristol at home on the first game means everything, then zero blame on Selles for me.
I'm fully behind what he's trying to do...
I actually want to be entertained watching United.

Good analytical post mate. I was absolutely gutted yesterday, but then thinking about it now and having a read of the stats etc, we should not over react too much. Everybody could see our defence was seriously weak - it just turned out to be one of those games where our every weakness was highlighted and exploited and non of our strengths could make up for that. It was one of those one-off games, where everything your opponents do turns to gold, and everything you do turns to shit. It does happen once or twice a season (Hull last year for example).

The problem is unless Selles is backed by the board and given the opportunity to recruit properly then these type of games become the norm and you go into a downward spiral. Selles should be properly backed before he is judged. Over to you Owners!

Oh.................. I want to be entertained too. But 80% of my feeling of entertainment is going for my post match beer with 3 points in the bag. I'm a 'in off somebodies arse in the 98th minute for the winner' type of bloke. Owt else really is a bonus ;-)

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Good analytical post mate. I was absolutely gutted yesterday, but then thinking about it now and having a read of the stats etc, we should not over react too much. Everybody could see our defence was seriously weak - it just turned out to be one of those games where our every weakness was highlighted and exploited and non of our strengths could make up for that. It was one of those one-off games, where everything your opponents do turns to gold, and everything you do turns to shit. It does happen once or twice a season (Hull last year for example).

The problem is unless Selles is backed by the board and given the opportunity to recruit properly then these type of games become the norm and you go into a downward spiral. Selles should be properly backed before he is judged. Over to you Owners!

Oh.................. I want to be entertained too. But 80% of my feeling of entertainment is going for my post match beer with 3 points in the bag. I'm a 'in off somebodies arse in the 98th minute for the winner' type of bloke. Owt else really is a bonus ;-)

If he isn't backed then getting rid of Wilder (who they'd given a 3 year deal) and bringing in Selles will have been a waste of time and resources.

If that turns out to be the case, I'm sure Selles will adapt accordingly and won't play so gung-ho.
But for now he's right to try to implement his style of play whilst awaiting the cavalry. Even if that involves some short-term pain (a la yesterday).

 

[Snake]

If he isn't backed then getting rid of Wilder (who they'd given a 3 year deal) and bringing in Selles will have been a waste of time and resources.

If that turns out to be the case, I'm sure Selles will adapt accordingly and won't play so gung-ho.
But for now he's right to try to implement his style of play whilst awaiting the cavalry. Even if that involves some short-term pain (a la yesterday).

I'll reserve judgement on Selles until I see the results of how we are doing if backed by the board. If he's not backed then, as you say, what's the point. The problem with short-term pain though is, well quite often it's not short-term..... it becomes the norm and expectation levels are adjusted accordingly..... it's a downward spiral. But far too early to be calling that..... let's see what the squad looks like in 3 weeks time, then we can start to judge. Not ideal, I know. Of course everybody wants transfer business to be done as early as possible, but for whatever reasons, that can't always be the case.

 

[I should coco]

Need 2 forums Foxy
One for pro manager, pro club , positive attitude.
One for negative, moaning, whining wingers.

We could rename it NKT and make sure everyone tows your party line.

 

[Thrice]

When you hire a systems manager like Selles some growing pains are to be expected. Look how long it took Arteta to make Arsenal a title contender. That didn't happen over night.

Problem is though, the club can't really afford to have a bad season.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

2.5 XG, 20+ shots, 14 corners, 75% possession.
Stats rarely (if ever) seen under Wilder.
Against decent opposition too.

I'd seen enough in the first half to obtain a level of confidence in Selles.
He's very quickly implemented some fast attacking patterns.

At worst, the tactics were naive. If it was knockout football, then I'd agree - suicidal.
But it's his first game into a long rebuild, trying to change the culture of the club.

Drop 3/4 quality players into that starting XI, particularly in defence... and I don't think we get exposed on the counter as we did.
In fact, we probably win comfortably.

The owners have put Selles to work without the tools for the job. This is on them.
We'll see what happens over the next few weeks, there's time for it to be turned around but the murmurs about their willingness to invest and confusion on how to invest are concerning.
Their PR has been terrible and I can't fathom why they haven't brought in some "soccer" advisors. What do a bunch of millionaires from Ohio know about the EFL? Who's calling the shots?

They gave Wilder a 3 year deal then sacked him when he fell at the final hurdle.
What does that say about them and their objectives?
Why bring in Selles, a complete change of direction, if you're not going to provide the investment to allow him to implement his ideas...?

We'll find out over the next few weeks whether this is "bedwetting," as so many enjoy labeling it.. or if the concerns have been valid.

Unless Bristol at home on the first game means everything, then zero blame on Selles for me.
I'm fully behind what he's trying to do...
I actually want to be entertained watching United.

Best post this weekend

 

[Shadota]

Absolutely spot on … but I do also worry about Selles naivety defensively. With the attacking talents that we have, it would be difficult not to look good at times going forwards. There seemed to be a complete disregard for the basics of keeping a solid shape when defending, picking up opposition players and getting pressure on the ball…. plus a total lack of on-field leadership. I’m fine with his desire to be expansive but it has to be balanced by a well drilled approach to defending. Fingers crossed he rapidly gets some experienced defenders in to help him achieve it.

Under Selles last season, Hull had a top 5 defensive record. If memory serves, they had the 3rd fewest goals conceded once RS went in there - only the top 2 conceded fewer.

Selles needs support in the transfer market, to get defenders in who are capable at Championship level. Unfortunately yesterday, his options were a man who is arguably Championship quality at best (Robinson), one who definitely isn't of that standard (RND), and a third who has never played at this level.

Not letting RS off the hook entirely, as he did make a few odd decisions. But I think some of that does go away if/when he has more/better options available.

Losing 4-1 is never nice, but Rome wasn't built in a day (as the saying goes)

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Who’s our James Wilson this year?

 

[Dkc]

Under Selles last season, Hull had a top 5 defensive record. If memory serves, they had the 3rd fewest goals conceded once RS went in there - only the top 2 conceded fewer.

Under Selles last season Hull won nine times in 28 games. Then they sacked him.

 

[Shadota]

Under Selles last season Hull won nine times in 28 games. Then they sacked him

Considering what happened to our manager after last season, this isn't the gotcha you seem to think it is.

 

[I should coco]

When you hire a systems manager like Selles some growing pains are to be expected. Look how long it took Arteta to make Arsenal a title contender. That didn't happen over night.

Problem is though, the club can't really afford to have a bad season.

I struggled with your first sentence, as I thought it was a bit; 'look you peasants, this is the future and it's good for you."

Apologies, as your second sentence is clarity in itself.

We can let RS do his stuff, but if it's not happening by Thanksgiving*, he's gone, and probably, we're fucked.

*Yer' shit Sheffuld poster would have said Christmas, but as a metrosexual citizen of the world, I can chuck in cultural references with the best of them.

 

[Cappy]

 

[TJ blade]

Gone by October so he will, maybe Rohl will pick up the phone.

Explain why Rohl please...

 

[Old Programme seller]

Tbh I think he’ll not last the season I think I’ve stated this before I expect Hecky will get the push at Preston and we may end up with him back here

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I was a bit baffled when he brought Cannon on for Brooks, in a position he'd not played before, especially in pre-season where he'd played left or central. I was expecting a straight swap for Ukaki and maybe Cannon for Barry instead of One, but I guess the game was lost by then and Selles needed to see if One is up to Championship standard.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I've noticed in recent years a modern Internet football speak that's more focused on the process than actual results which is what the end goal should be based on.

We are seemingly getting rid of Wilder for a process that we have no idea will work or not. It's a huge gamble and the board have put their neck on the line with regards to it.

Lets hope it pays off as if it doesn't it'll be a far more toxic fall out than any blade would want. A poor start and he won't be given a chance.

Yeah this has gone toxic quicker than I expected.

 

[William Large]

My experience of being employed as a championship manager is very limited however I would imagine that some conversations between Selles and the board would have included how much he would have to spend on incoming players, how they would be scouted and what say he would have on who comes in.
So to say that he has had the rug pulled so early on seems a little unlikely (but not completely).

To come into a club which has just sacked a very popular manager who has just taken us to within 20 mins of promotion should have said in itself what was expected of him - not least by the fans.

Of course it is early stages but the signs so far are worrying to say the least. Pre season was a shambles in terms of having a first team prepared for the first game. Nearly a week later and still no signs of any players incoming who are ready and able to go straight into the team.

Two really poor performances (20 mins aside v Bristol) and fan base already seemingly divided.

So many were salivating at his appointment when in reality what has he actually done to show he is the man to take us to the next stage? Had he not been in charge for hull when they beat us at the lane (a result which many had seen coming) would they have been so feverish in their excitement? I doubt if.

Time will tell in terms of whether the board are prepared to back the manager. In the mean time, he may need to be a little more pragmatic in terms of what he expects from players who aren’t really up to what he demands or he may find himself out the door within a few more weeks.

Not bedwetting, merely observations. I really hope that in May we can look back on this period having had a successful season of free flowing football.

 

[Silky Sabella]

The other option was Gary O'Neil

 

[Bladesince59]

I was a bit baffled when he brought Cannon on for Brooks, in a position he'd not played before, especially in pre-season where he'd played left or central. I was expecting a straight swap for Ukaki and maybe Cannon for Barry instead of One, but I guess the game was lost by then and Selles needed to see if One is up to Championship standard.

Which he (One) isn't

 

[Davalon]

Yeah this has gone toxic quicker than I expected.

You think? It's been bubbling all summer.

Too many baying for any opportunity to go in on the owners and/or Selles.

Put aside all the usual negative Nellie's, and it's grown with increasingly impatient entitled types, those who can't cope with change and foreign influence, and those upset at Wilder going.

To make matters worse after today's presser, you've now got some claiming they've known the score all along when they've known fuck all, and seemingly taken some pleasure in that.

I'm not just talking about this place btw.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

You think? It's been bubbling all summer.

Too many baying for any opportunity to go in on the owners and/or Selles.

Put aside all the usual negative Nellie's, and it's grown with increasingly impatient entitled types, those who can't cope with change and foreign influence, and those upset at Wilder going.

To make matters worse after today's presser, you've now got some claiming they've known the score all along when they've known fuck all, and seemingly taken some pleasure in that.

I'm not just talking about this place btw.

Honestly I didn't expect it to be full on after two games. I am hoping once the window shuts we are stronger and some of the more heads gone types roll back but unfortunately just like the people who refused to have Wilder back and never warmed up to him once people are set in their ways it takes a lot to change it.