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[Carlton Blade]

It’s how you see it I guess, if PA came out and said we spent £67m everyone would point out we also sold £31m of talent, and rightly so
Everyone would agree that any monies incoming should be reinvested, as that reduces headcount so a true reflection of how good a manager performs is how much it’s “cost”

If we sell £50m of players and bring in £25m, will we be happy that the club have spent £25m, or angry PA trousered £25m?
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Also, that £66m figure is absolute nonsense

 

[Rodley]

Rosenior has done a fantastic job, not only for almost getting them into the playoffs but also getting good players to move to Hull because let’s be honest, who wants to live in that shithole, it’s an achievement in itself.

It does have an airport though TBF

 

[Carlton Blade]

Also, that £66m figure is absolute nonsense

It includes 21m for Archer which is, at most £4m. Souza didn't cost £12m, more like £6/7m and Slimane was <£1m

 

[Carlton Blade]

It does have an airport though TBF

It only does outbound flights though

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

Is AN Other Moyes ?

 

[Rodley]

It only does outbound flights though

In all seriousness, most Hull players will live West Hull villages, York or Leeds.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Failed at big spending Dull. Next

The other that gets talked up on here spent 300 million and failed with a wage bill four or five x ours playing turgid, tactically inept football after fluking the play offs. Strange suggestion

A realistic suggestion would be somebody that had done a similar job to Wilder in his first spell in charge. Good luck with that one.

Aye
Or identical ?
Some fella called Wilder (& Knill)

 

[Latters]

Do you have their 23/24 accounts?

He’s got the 24/25 ones

 

[Grizzly blade]

They plays some good football but ultimately he failed to get them up to the play offs.

And it’s one thing suggesting their wage budget and transfer fees were low, but for that to be taken seriously it has to be for this season, not last.

It was obvious with some of the players they brought in this season that they had upped the budget from last season when early on they looked prime relegation candidates.

Tough gig given the competition he had this season, Ipswich a surprise maybe but some big spending teams near the top.

 

[Bladezz]

Did terrible at Derby
Didn’t do great at Hull

A lot of the Hull fans are happy with the decision.

 

[Balham]

Also, that £66m figure is absolute nonsense

It's not a million miles off as it's in Euros but it's over by about €10m. I think I've done this elsewhere but our expenditure was around £50m: £18m for Archer, £11m for Hamer (final value up to £15m), £6m for Souza (up to £10m), £5m for Trusty, £2.5m (up to £4m) for Traoré, £1.7m for Grbic, £1m (rising to £2m) for Slimane plus loan fees for Thomas, Larouci, McAtee and Brereton-Diaz: call it £50m which is about €58m.

What is total nonsense is the €31m income. The Athletic got it right in their otherwise damning review of our season: £20m for Ndiaye, £15m for Berge: that's about €41m.

Net spend is effectively going to be refunded when Archer goes back. We'll break even on transfers in a post-promotion Premier League season. That's exactly why we're bottom with less than 0.5 points per game.

 

[Carlton Blade]

It's not a million miles off as it's in Euros but it's over by about €10m. I think I've done this elsewhere but our expenditure was around £50m: £18m for Archer, £11m for Hamer (final value up to £15m), £6m for Souza (up to £10m), £5m for Trusty, £2.5m (up to £4m) for Traoré, £1.7m for Grbic, £1m (rising to £2m) for Slimane plus loan fees for Thomas, Larouci, McAtee and Brereton-Diaz: call it £50m which is about €58m.

What is total nonsense is the €31m income. The Athletic got it right in their otherwise damning review of our season: £20m for Ndiaye, £15m for Berge: that's about €41m.

Net spend is effectively going to be refunded when Archer goes back. We'll break even on transfers in a post-promotion Premier League season. That's exactly why we're bottom with less than 0.5 points per game.

The cloak and dagger stuff is so tiresome. The whole summer was an exercise in misinformation. It's a mid tier, provincial football club ffs

Complete speculation but I do believe there's a better than zero chance that some of the PL money has refunded some/all of the 'directors' loans (£28m). I don't think it's a coincidence that the "Ndiaye fucked United over" story is being rehashed now either.

 

[Balham]

The cloak and dagger stuff is so tiresome. The whole summer was an exercise in misinformation. It's a mid tier, provincial football club ffs

Complete speculation but I do believe there's a better than zero chance that some of the PL money has refunded some/all of the 'directors' loans (£28m). I don't think it's a coincidence that the "Ndiaye fucked United over" story is being rehashed now either.

The biggest insight into our finances will be the statement of cashflow. How much did the vampire banks take, how far into the future are we factored and how much did the directors recover?

 

[JohnDenver]

Hull City have the 2nd highest net speed in the Championship this season, behind Stoke.

I never knew that. What a pathetic return their league position has shown.

Presume they’ll now need to sell to stay inside spending rules within the three year cycle.

 

[Carlton Blade]

The biggest insight into our finances will be the statement of cashflow. How much did the vampire banks take, how far into the future are we factored and how much did the directors recover?

If it's continuing at around £8m a year finance repayment costs then the club is 2 non promotion seasons away (assuming no sale) from needing to raise money from somewhere to have a Rotherham sized 1st team wage bill.

 

[Balham]

If it's continuing at around £8m a year finance repayment costs then the club is 2 non promotion seasons away (assuming no sale) from needing to raise money from somewhere to have a Rotherham sized 1st team wage bill.

Finance costs will naturally reduce as the income against which the loans are secured drops. We're not liquid at all so we have to borrow against future income to pay the day to day football expenses and even that is a stretch at times.

On the bright side we'll not have any transfer fee instalments due to be paid in 2025/26 as it stands so we'll be less likely to get into arrears.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Finance costs will naturally reduce as the income against which the loans are secured drops. We're not liquid at all so we have to borrow against future income to pay the day to day football expenses and even that is a stretch at times.

On the bright side we'll not have any transfer fee instalments due to be paid in 2025/26 as it stands so we'll be less likely to get into arrears.

Looking like it's going to be a rough summer

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Rosenior has done a fantastic job, not only for almost getting them into the playoffs but also getting good players to move to Hull because let’s be honest, who wants to live in that shithole, it’s an achievement in itself.

They probably all live in Leeds and commute

 

[wizadry]

They probably all live in Leeds and commute

All jokes apart, it was only a little joke having seen one or two areas around Hull over the years, I’m sure there’s some lovely parts.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

What's really going to drag us out of this mess is Wilder picking a 'point of view' and reiterating the same point, just worded slightly differently in 2-3 ways. From a physical point of view, fitness point of view, conditioning point of view. Really pads those interviews out, from a duration point of view, word count point of view, length of time point of view.

 

[wavy-blade]

The man’s a fucking idiot , had Sharp never played him , no wonder they missed the playoffs, no thanks

 

[Champagneblade]

It includes 21m for Archer which is, at most £4m. Souza didn't cost £12m, more like £6/7m and Slimane was <£1m

No team gets promoted and buys nobody and spends nothing.

But we did the closest to spending nothing as you can get when all the subtractions are made.

Transfermarkt has us optimistically spending about 31m.

As we all know, you can knock that investment down to 17m almost immediately with the Archer deal. They have Souza at 10.75m but if that’s 4m less then you’re down to 13m. Slimane takes it closer to 11.5m. I’d also be amazed if 4m was the figure for Traore meaning the net is closer to 10m.

That considers Berge as 12m and Iliman 14.6m when you convert to pounds. It also considers Hamer as 15m so if the sales seem modest and we’re told Hamer was closer to 12.5m then you’re really arriving at pocket change.

 

[Bladezz]

No team gets promoted and buys nobody and spends nothing.

But we did the closest to spending nothing as you can get when all the subtractions are made.

Transfermarkt has us optimistically spending about 31m.

As we all know, you can knock that investment down to 17m almost immediately with the Archer deal. They have Souza at 10.75m but if that’s 4m less then you’re down to 13m. Slimane takes it closer to 11.5m. I’d also be amazed if 4m was the figure for Traore meaning the net is closer to 10m.

That considers Berge as 12m and Iliman 14.6m when you convert to pounds. It also considers Hamer as 15m so if the sales seem modest and we’re told Hamer was closer to 12.5m then you’re really arriving at pocket change.

And we need to sell in the summer to balance the books?

If you ask questions on here they won’t like it.

 

[Le Cynique]

Did terrible at Derby
Didn’t do great at Hull

A lot of the Hull fans are happy with the decision.

Once again you’re presenting your inane opinions as fact.

He didn’t do “terrible at Derby” at all. He and Rooney nearly kept them up against a backdrop of behind-the-scenes carnage that makes us look like a well-run club. If it wasn’t for the points deductions they’d have finished 17th on 55 points.

 

[SUFCinks]

I think hes a manager on the up. He has lots to learn still though. He’s helped assemble a very good team at hull but has spent a fair bit in doing so. Definately an eye for a good player and they play some ‘pretty’ football. Perhaps lacking a bit of purpose in their play though. A poor mans kompany although maybe a harsh statament.

I like the squad they have and i think it’s fair to say they should’ve done better with the players they have. I’d try and sign a couple of them if we could.

I don’t rate Wilder very highly ATM so i’m firmly on the fence. I would love us to play a better style of football which i believe LR woild do, i’d also trust him more with transfers. I do believe that Wilder would get better results though (despite this seasons horrors).

It’s a very tough call for me though and i’m on the fence maybe with a slight preference to LR, just for the fact he’s different, I believe he would be better in the transfer market and plays a style if football that would attract better players and more enjoyable to watch.

 

[Bladezz]

Once again you’re presenting your inane opinions as fact.

He didn’t do “terrible at Derby” at all. He and Rooney nearly kept them up against a backdrop of behind-the-scenes carnage that makes us look like a well-run club. If it wasn’t for the points deductions they’d have finished 17th on 55 points.

It’s a message board everything is an opinion. No one said FACT. Your struggling with the concept of opinions.

The Derby fans at the time didn’t want him to stay. They employed Paul Warne instead of keeping him on. That would be a FACT.

He has been sacked at Hull FACT.

He has had 2 jobs and not been kept on at either. FACT. We all know he is the media’s darling (opinion) but he’s just not very good right now. I will put it down to inexperience and he will come again but will be a few years away until he’s ready for a big job like the Blades.

 

[derbysufc]

Not rated at derby and proof in the pudding .
Lampard , Rooney, rosenior, all failed.
Took a little old Paul Warne on no money to get them back up.

 

[Carlton Blade]

No team gets promoted and buys nobody and spends nothing.

But we did the closest to spending nothing as you can get when all the subtractions are made.

Transfermarkt has us optimistically spending about 31m.

As we all know, you can knock that investment down to 17m almost immediately with the Archer deal. They have Souza at 10.75m but if that’s 4m less then you’re down to 13m. Slimane takes it closer to 11.5m. I’d also be amazed if 4m was the figure for Traore meaning the net is closer to 10m.

That considers Berge as 12m and Iliman 14.6m when you convert to pounds. It also considers Hamer as 15m so if the sales seem modest and we’re told Hamer was closer to 12.5m then you’re really arriving at pocket change.

Transfermarkt has spend at 67m but with just over 21m of that being for Archer.

It's underpaying fees United received and overplaying what they paid. The opposite of what clubs usually do with transfers

 

[Bladezz]

Not rated at derby and proof in the pudding .
Lampard , Rooney, rosenior, all failed.
Took a little old Paul Warne on no money to get them back up.

Le Cynique …

 

[Stanthemanfan]

I would have sacked hecky after Newcastle match and got mark Robbins