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sheffielder said:
Out of interest, what was Karl Robinson doing before mk dons gave him his chance. Lets get behind him ffs. We're blades and I have no problem with him getting the job
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These "What about..." comparisons are getting very tired. Apparently because some managers were relatively unheard of before becoming successful, any unheard-of, untested applicant should be given the job. I mean fuck it, we can make comparisons like "Ian Wright worked as a builder before becoming one of the best strikers in modern times. Let's go scouting at building sites, get a couple of brickies on the books." until the cows are blue in the face but it won't give us a couple of 30-goal strikers next season.
 
I read a couple of things on a Vale board crediting Page with improving the team's playing style when he became first team coach last year.
 
TarquinDelouche said:
These "What about..." comparisons are getting very tired. Apparently because some managers were relatively unheard of before becoming successful, any unheard-of, untested applicant should be given the job. I mean fuck it, we can make comparisons like "Ian Wright worked as a builder before becoming one of the best strikers in modern times. Let's go scouting at building sites, get a couple of brickies on the books." until the cows are blue in the face but it won't give us a couple of 30-goal strikers next season.
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I don't give a fuck how tired you are of anything. We are skint and we need a fresh approach, someone the younger players will respond to. This is a year too late for me but I am backing this. It's not like we have much choice
 
cooperblade said:
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My sources tell me Robert Page is a strong contender for the Sheff Utd job. Thought to be between him and possibly one other....cont

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Sounds like Chris Morgan is no longer in the running. Hear Page interviewed very well. Final decision expected in next 48hrs
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We're clearly working our way through the 2002/03 Triple Assault team. Macca was the first choice, Page the 2nd - I can only assume that Pesch or the Chief are the other candidate still in with a chance.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
We're clearly working our way through the 2002/03 Triple Assault team. Macca was the first choice, Page the 2nd - I can only assume that Pesch or the Chief are the other candidate still in with a chance.
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Been thinking this myself.

The perfect fit is Mark Rankine - he'll sell anything that moves
 
Am I right in understanding Mr Page is currently the youth coach at Port Vale under Mickey Adams who we employed then sacked after 6 months, someone we discarded, his underling is now our big hope

Its like we employed the captain of the titanic and are looking to employ his lookout.
"whats that big white floaty thing" ?
 
LSF said:
He was certainly a leader on the pitch, just not as famous a name as those you quote. However, a leader is a leader, regardless of fame.
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Thing is, I actually thought Morgan was the better leader of the two - and as we have seen that doesn't necessarily result in a successful manager. Page has a slightly more distinguished career of the two due to playing at international level, but as a Wales fan I'd say that had Morgan been Welsh he'd have probably had a few caps too. If Page is appointed, I will give him my support but I can't help but feel totally uninspired that he's being considered. If Micky Adams couldn't cope with answering the phone, what chance does someone part of an Adams coaching team have? Would anyone like Andy Melville to be the next manager? Remove the United connection and that's in essence the sort of candidate we have.
 
LSF said:
He was certainly a leader on the pitch, just not as famous a name as those you quote. However, a leader is a leader, regardless of fame.
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I think Page was captain at every club he played for but I stand to be corrected?
 
Always remember his last game for us, Preston away, there was a massive turn out for the last game of the season and he applauded the fans as usual. He started to run back towards the tunnel and then suddenly turned back for another look and you could see it meant a lot to him. Top bloke and always talks sense when you hear him.

Not saying this will make him a great manager mind :rolleyes:
 
Don't think we should use the fact that Page has worked with Adams as a stick to beat him with. It's not like we're employing someone like Alan Cork who has worked with him many times. Page would have been desperate to find a route into coaching so is unlikely to say 'sorry Micky, your football is a bit alehouse for my liking - i'll just hang on for another opportunity which may or may not come'. Working for someone, particularly in your first job, doesn't mean you share the same philosophy.

If Page had 5 years experience and a promotion or two on his CV, he wouldn't be interested in our job.

We have the choice of managers who've tried and failed or managers who haven't tried yet. I'd prefer one from the 2nd camp, at the very least we can have a bit of hope initially that way.
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
Always remember his last game for us, Preston away, there was a massive turn out for the last game of the season and he applauded the fans as usual. He started to run back towards the tunnel and then suddenly turned back for another look and you could see it meant a lot to him. Top bloke and always talks sense when you hear him.

Not saying this will make him a great manager mind :rolleyes:
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I remember that game well. I'm sure Peter Ndlovu was in tears as he left the pitch after saying goodbye to the fans, although I'm not sure the fans knew he was leaving at the time.
 



cooperblade said:
Don't think we should use the fact that Page has worked with Adams as a stick to beat him with. It's not like we're employing someone like Alan Cork who has worked with him many times. Page would have been desperate to find a route into coaching so is unlikely to say 'sorry Micky, your football is a bit alehouse for my liking - i'll just hang on for another opportunity which may or may not come'. Working for someone, particularly in your first job, doesn't mean you share the same philosophy.

If Page had 5 years experience and a promotion or two on his CV, he wouldn't be interested in our job.

We have the choice of managers who've tried and failed or managers who haven't tried yet. I'd prefer one from the 2nd camp, at the very least we can have a bit of hope initially that way.
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Agree with that, and don't forget he played behind arguably the best midfield / attacking football we've played in recent times in '03.
 
If we do get Page as manager, may I suggest that we revive the Bladettes, with rather more mature ladies and call them "Page Three Girls".

Full house every week....
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
Always remember his last game for us, Preston away, there was a massive turn out for the last game of the season and he applauded the fans as usual. He started to run back towards the tunnel and then suddenly turned back for another look and you could see it meant a lot to him. Top bloke and always talks sense when you hear him.

Not saying this will make him a great manager mind :rolleyes:
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So you have made the 9.47 mile journey once then ??;)
 
LoughboroBlade said:
Thing is, I actually thought Morgan was the better leader of the two - and as we have seen that doesn't necessarily result in a successful manager. Page has a slightly more distinguished career of the two due to playing at international level, but as a Wales fan I'd say that had Morgan been Welsh he'd have probably had a few caps too. If Page is appointed, I will give him my support but I can't help but feel totally uninspired that he's being considered. If Micky Adams couldn't cope with answering the phone, what chance does someone part of an Adams coaching team have? Would anyone like Andy Melville to be the next manager? Remove the United connection and that's in essence the sort of candidate we have.
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Agree with your sentiments Loughboro, other than the highlighted bit. Can't see why people continue to make a harsh judgement on the few games CM managed the team in the final weeks of the season.
The way I see it, Robert Page and Chris Morgan bring just about the same to the table, young, untried and cut their teeth under a more experienced boss. I'm sure both guy's philosophy will not reflect either how they played the game or any manager they served under as player or coach.
They will be keen to impose their ideas and their ideas alone, its a vanity type thing.
However, its looking as though Morgan is no longer under consideration, so Page and one or two other 'mystery' interlopers - If McCabe has narrowed it down to a certain age/experience/philosophy criteria then maybe Appleton is in the frame too, who knows?
 
LSF said:
Can't see why people continue to make a harsh judgement on the few games CM managed the team in the final weeks of the season.
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I think, in the eyes of a lot of fans, it was the interviews that Morgan gave that did for him as much as the performances.

When he talked of just needing a couple of tweaks to the squad and us not being far away, it was the opposite of what people wanted to hear. If he'd said he thought he'd done his best with what he had but that he would look to tear it up and start again with several new players in 2013/14, many more Blades would have got behind him in my opinion.
 
cooperblade said:
I think, in the eyes of a lot of fans, it was the interviews that Morgan gave that did for him as much as the performances.

When he talked of just needing a couple of tweaks to the squad and us not being far away, it was the opposite of what people wanted to hear. If he'd said he thought he'd done his best with what he had but that he would look to tear it up and start again with several new players in 2013/14, many more Blades would have got behind him in my opinion.
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Yep Coops - he was caught between not wanting to look as though he was making excuses and not dissing his players. However, that demonstrated conclusively that he is still too close the the playing staff and is probably not ready for management yet, especially at a club the size of SUFC, however shit we are at the moment.
 
cooperblade said:
I think, in the eyes of a lot of fans, it was the interviews that Morgan gave that did for him as much as the performances.

When he talked of just needing a couple of tweaks to the squad and us not being far away, it was the opposite of what people wanted to hear. If he'd said he thought he'd done his best with what he had but that he would look to tear it up and start again with several new players in 2013/14, many more Blades would have got behind him in my opinion.
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Probably right Coops, but I feel a bit sad for folk who read too much into the stuff managers/players say to the press and then make a rash judgement on that premise.
 
LSF said:
Probably right Coops, but I feel a bit sad for folk who read too much into the stuff managers/players say to the press and then make a rash judgement on that premise.
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It's the way politics works and the way in which the stock market works - why should it not apply to sport?
 
LSF said:
Probably right Coops, but I feel a bit sad for folk who read too much into the stuff managers/players say to the press and then make a rash judgement on that premise.
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I agree even though I'm one of those who didn't want him as manager after his interviews!

To be fair, if he'd said what we all wanted to hear, he'd probably have put the board off appointing him anyway.

Don't have any inside knowledge at all but looking at it from the outside, it appears he's never been a serious contender for the job. He was the obvious choice for so many reasons (most of them fairly unpalatable ones) but there have (nearly) always been people in front of him in the betting and he's been available at some fancy prices throughout most of the process.

I wonder if the board have looked at it and thought if he couldn't deliver a short term (i.e. longer than 90 minutes) uplift, how likely is he to do the more difficult job of producing in the medium and long-term?
 
Kenilworth said:
It's the way politics works and the way in which the stock market works - why should it not apply to sport?
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Not sure stock market traders take every quote at face value!

I think that when managers speak to the press they are trying to keep everyone happy - the fans, the board and the players. Tends to end up meaning that they say very little of note and what they do say should be seen in that context of placating everyone. I'd be far more worried by their comments if I thought they were being repeated word for word in the dressing room.
 
If Page does get the job, the journalists/headline writers will be licking their lips:


'Page begins new chapter for the Blades'

'Page turns over a new leaf'

etc.

Any more?
 
cooperblade said:
Not sure stock market traders take every quote at face value!

I think that when managers speak to the press they are trying to keep everyone happy - the fans, the board and the players. Tends to end up meaning that they say very little of note and what they do say should be seen in that context of placating everyone. I'd be far more worried by their comments if I thought they were being repeated word for word in the dressing room.
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I can see your point, however these performances were happening all year and nothing ever changed. Danny would come out and back his players and Morgan followed suit. From what I hear Danny lost the dressing room because he was unable to give them a bollocking, then after what Morgan says, I had no confidence he went into the dressing room and ripped them a new arsehole after the Yeovil game. Instead, he had a group huddle. The fans are not idiots and I personally think Morgan missed an opportunity to say to the fans, "look this year has not been good enough and if I am in charge I want to change things. We are lacking x y and x I will move heaven and earth to improve us next year. Right, I am not going into the dressing room and we won't be out for a while"

I would then know he understood what 18000 fans went through last year. He bottled the opportunity and that is why I don't think he is the right man for the job.
 
Spineless display by Blades

Marginal decision sinks Blades

Blades manager booked again
 



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