Rob Holding linked

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Gawd dayum! Yeah, no way he's signing for us.

That is quite the pose.

 

[ben1987]

Report today reckons he’s on £45k/week at Palace

That might scupper any deal?

depends. We were linked with Philips at a rumoured fee of £6m. Plus say £25k a week at £1.3m a year. 4 year contract that’s over £10m committed.

45k a week is £2.34m a year. If it’s true that a palace are willing to let him go to someone covering his contract then he might be less of an outlay compared to someone like Philips despite on paper what seems like a massive salary.

Obviously holds no resale value and the investment / future value was one of the things that made Philips such an attractive proposition but for a couple of years an experienced head might be worth it.

 

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Gone to America

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Gone to America

Good if true. It was obvious to all of us that he would have been picked if fully fit last season, as he is much better than anything we have got at centre half. When he played, he looked class, but was blowing out of his backside.I don’t believe the biased crap about Wilder apparently preferring Robinson ( who, earlier in the season, had been quickly dropped by Wilder once Souttar got up to speed). There must have been a fitness issue. We can’t carry on carrying players with dodgy fitness, particularly given our new approach. Plenty more fish in the sea for this position.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Good if true. It was obvious to all of us that he would have been picked if fully fit last season, as he is much better than anything we have got at centre half. When he played, he looked class, but was blowing out of his backside.I don’t believe the biased crap about Wilder apparently preferring Robinson ( who, earlier in the season, had been quickly dropped by Wilder once Souttar got up to speed). There must have been a fitness issue. We can’t carry on carrying players with dodgy fitness, particularly given our new approach. Plenty more fish in the sea for this position.

I thought Souttar came into the side when Robbo got injured rather than Robbo getting dropped.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

I thought Souttar came into the side when Robbo got injured rather than Robbo getting dropped.

And what happened when Robinson got fit again? Are you seriously suggesting that Wilder preferred Robinson over Souttar?

 

[Frank the tank]

I thought Souttar came into the side when Robbo got injured rather than Robbo getting dropped.

No he had one of his usual nightmares missing an easy header to gift qpr one goal and him and Davies making a right bollox of a corner to gift another

 

[Nick Jansky]

And what happened when Robinson got fit again? Are you seriously suggesting that Wilder preferred Robinson over Souttar?

He was injured for 44 days and then regaining fitness. This coincided with Souttar’s injury. So it isn’t possible to say either way.

 

[Nick Jansky]

No he had one of his usual nightmares missing an easy header to gift qpr one goal and him and Davies making a right bollox of a corner to gift another

He also got a groin injury which kept him out for quite a while.

 

[Frank the tank]

He also got a groin injury which kept him out for quite a while.

Not long enough

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

He was injured for 44 days and then regaining fitness. This coincided with Souttar’s injury. So it isn’t possible to say either way.

Utter bollocks. How do you know he was injured for exactly 44 days? Does it not strike you as coincidence that he miraculously recovered from lengthy injury at exactly the same time as Souttar got injured? Apply a bit of common sense.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Utter bollocks. How do you know he was injured for exactly 44 days? Does it not strike you as coincidence that he miraculously recovered from lengthy injury at exactly the same time as Souttar got injured? Apply a bit of common sense.

The clubs report injuries, including the number of days. You might not have known this. I can’t say I’m surprised at that. No coincidence involved, just how it happened.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

The clubs report injuries, including the number of days. You might not have known this. I can’t say I’m surprised at that. No coincidence involved, just how it happened.

You really are making yourself look silly over this, and I can’t say that I’m surprised by your pedantic approach and know all attitude, consistent with most of your posts ( just returning the compliments).

It is a well known fact in football that injury periods can be extended or reduced to fit the necessary circumstances. Every week, many players receive painkilling injections in order to play through injuries. Every week, players egos are salved by slight muscle strains that keep them out of the starting eleven. Every football fan in the country knows this, including you. Injuries are not black and white, they are shades of grey, and decisions are made on when a player is fit to return using a wide range of considerations, many of which are beyond the physiological status of the individual.

Back to the point of the thread. If we haven’t signed Holding, then I’m OK with that, because, in my opinion, Wilder would recognise Holding as a better defender than Robinson, and would have picked him in preference to Robinson had Holding been properly fit. I conclude from this that Holding had fitness issues ( what do your records say?). We have to break away from having players of questionable fitness in the squad, particularly in key defensive positions where consistency of selection and building of partnerships and understanding is paramount.The only reason I mentioned Souttar was to make the point that, in my opinion, Wilder recognised Souttar as a better defender than Robinson, and so picked him in preference whenever possible. He was therefore unafraid to drop Robinson when there were better options, reinforcing my opinion that Holding must have had fitness issues.

There are plenty of other centre half candidates beyond Holding. If he has gone elsewhere, then I am confident that the management team have better irons in the fire.

 

[Nick Jansky]

There are plenty of other centre half candidates beyond Holding. If he has gone elsewhere, then I am confident that the management team have better irons in the fire.

On this I am in full agreement with you. No argument at all.

You are, however, wrong on the peripheral issue of the reporting of injuries which, apart from anything else, is a requirement of the insurers of players. If you attempt to make an insurance claim arising from an event that happened many months ago that you hadn’t bothered reporting at the time what do you think the outcome might be?

The duration of player injuries has long been in the public domain. PL clubs are required to make official reports in any case, and the game is rapidly following the direction of the NFL (no surprise with the growing influence of American owners) where there has been mandatory reporting for many years.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

On this I am in full agreement with you. No argument at all.

You are, however, wrong on the peripheral issue of the reporting of injuries which, apart from anything else, is a requirement of the insurers of players. If you attempt to make an insurance claim arising from an event that happened many months ago that you hadn’t bothered reporting at the time what do you think the outcome might be?

The duration of player injuries has long been in the public domain. PL clubs are required to make official reports in any case, and the game is rapidly following the direction of the NFL (no surprise with the growing influence of American owners) where there has been mandatory reporting for many years.

Nick,
We’re splitting hairs here, and way off topic for the thread, but I’m not questioning the reporting of serious injuries for insurance purposes, but rather the date of return from said injury. I haven’t checked, but am happy to take your word that after an initial injury Robinson was out of the team for 44 days. What I don’t believe is that Robinson was unfit on day 43 post injury, and then was fit on day 44. Deciding on whether a player

 

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sign him

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Nick,
We’re splitting hairs here, and way off topic for the thread, but I’m not questioning the reporting of serious injuries for insurance purposes, but rather the date of return from said injury. I haven’t checked, but am happy to take your word that after an initial injury Robinson was out of the team for 44 days. What I don’t believe is that Robinson was unfit on day 43 post injury, and then was fit on day 44. Deciding on whether a player

Sorry - tried to edit and got timed out! Shows how long (and probably boring) my intended response was, so I will spare you. Bottom line is it is very easy to identify and report an injury, and extremely subjective as to when a player is sufficiently fit for selection. The perfect coincidence between Souttars injury and Robinson’s return to sufficient fitness for selection is improbable in the extreme.