Report From 'Meet The Manager' This Evening

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Well, you're negative attitude sums you up!! You strike me as a "fan" who will never be happy whatever happens....
 

Tyler Durden Some good reading in that, appreciate the efforts in doing the summary. Was following some of the Fonz’s tweets as well, but didn’t catch it all. Its always going to be difficult for Wilder to get his message across amongst a cynical bunch of Blades, but he’s not made the same mistakes of Adkins and spouted nonsense (so far). He’s wrapped it all up with a disclaimer that ultimately its about what happens on the pitch, however its good to hear his assessment of where we were, his honest thoughts on last season and plans for this year.


Got to say, the emphasis on Scougall is surprising really. I know we don’t have many decent players, but the club and Wilder have given him some limelight really. Perhaps its good for his confidence, the arm around the player, we will see.


At least Wilder confirmed what we all saw last season, players didn’t know their positions.


Just need to get some more players in now, the ones he needs – centre Halves.


Also agree with Knill that we haven’t had a proper Centre Half since Morgs. Harry was a very decent player, but you couldn’t compare his defensive duties to Morgs. Morgs would run through a Brick wall, Harry would make a mazy run around it. Not saying that he shirked a challenge, he didn’t, but he didn’t go in as whole heartedly as Morgs. Defenders didn’t fear him.
 
Bladepicker said:
The Folkesey is dead.

Long live the Tyler Durden !!

Seriously though fella, cheers for this, great summary and invaluable for those not there. Really appreciate the effort.

Oh and...



Made me feel funny inside like when you first start seeing a lass. Think it might be excitement? Been a while!!!
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Joking aside,I do hope WHF is just being mardy,and nothing more serious
It's a quality o/p my friend,thanks for the effort
 
A few concerns from what has been reported:
  • Signings - the date for players coming in is continually being put back and now has turned into excuses in the form of current contracts.
  • No more backwards/square passes - no doubt the gerrit forward lot will love this, but I think football has moved on a bit, keeping possession is better than an aimless forward pass.
  • Scougall - I don't rate him at all, he has done nothing the last two seasons. I don't mind giving a younger player another chance but if Wilder is pinning his hopes on him being one of our main creative players, that's a bit worry for me.
At the minute it's usual new manager saying the right things, but in Wilder's case as he knows the club and the fans better than previous managers. He appears to be saying more of the right things and dare I say it blowing a bit of smoke up some arses and telling the fans what they want to hear.

I'm still going to judge him on his actions and at the moment that is 2 signings nothing more. What he is saying is largely irrelevant.

So far I have zero enthusiasm for Wilder's appointment, hopefully a few signings will change that and then most importantly the performances on the pitch.
 
robbiez666 said:
  • Two targets in particular, (both centre-halves) identified. Hoping to have one or both in by end of next week.
  • Transfer budget impaired by players on transfer list draining resources with big contracts. Not ideal, but won't stop us getting in the players who can do the job at hand.
  • Slow movement has been the case across the league
  • These weeks keep stretching don't they Chris? Is this the third week in the row you've said this?
  • It wasn't when you first talked to us. Suddenly it is
  • Nope, most teams doing more business than us. Just us.
in summary, same old shit, different day. fucking joke.

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Don't you just love pre-season optimism eh?

:rolleyes:
 
YES Blade said:
A few concerns from what has been reported:
  • Signings - the date for players coming in is continually being put back and now has turned into excuses in the form of current contracts.
  • No more backwards/square passes - no doubt the gerrit forward lot will love this, but I think football has moved on a bit, keeping possession is better than an aimless forward pass.
  • Scougall - I don't rate him at all, he has done nothing the last two seasons. I don't mind giving a younger player another chance but if Wilder is pinning his hopes on him being one of our main creative players, that's a bit worry for me.
At the minute it's usual new manager saying the right things, but in Wilder's case as he knows the club and the fans better than previous managers. He appears to be saying more of the right things and dare I say it blowing a bit of smoke up some arses and telling the fans what they want to hear.

I'm still going to judge him on his actions and at the moment that is 2 signings nothing more. What he is saying is largely irrelevant.

So far I have zero enthusiasm for Wilder's appointment, hopefully a few signings will change that and then most importantly the performances on the pitch.
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It does seem strange that if Wilder had studied this forum for a while he would be saying most of these things, he can't have a mates who are fans who are writing his scripts can he? I did actually think the retained list was produced with indecent haste and that had a certain 'P.R' element to it too.

I agree with half of that YES Blade and I remember Adkins scoring 'Brownie Points' at his Meet the Manager night, talking about Basham for midfield and it seemed everybody in the room except me thought that was great. I do think giving Scougall is worth a shot but the lad flatters to deceive even when he's on form and he has to take more responsibility in the final third; I'm worried it will be an experiment that takes weeks to fail as with Basham in midfield. Having said all that we watched Coutts and Hammond for countless games last season, often alongside Basham and Woolford and it was seriously bad, so Basham and Scougs will be better than that, though surely they can't play together in a 4-4-2.

Good question re Sharp, I thought it was an easy win for Wilder and a P.R. move on the Bladey, Bladey theme. Didn't make sense to me that Wilder appointed him before knowing his centre backs and who the other 6 or so signings were going to be. Andy Butler wouldn't settle in this year either!! I hope we sign a couple of players who have been captains and can do the job better than Sharp; I prefer captains in defence or midfield personally and we can have three on the field at once!!

I too am concerned about the reference to budget restricting signings at this stage. I hope it is the case that it's simply hard to articulate that there are two stages to the recruitment plan and that the essential players will be with us soon and the second stage signings will have to wait a while until some move out and we know how much it costs to get rid of those on the list.. As ever time is of the essence and it's disappointing to hear we are on hold to whatever degree; I think the Board should provide for unknown losses on those listed players in due course and release budget now. Even as a 'clapper' I have to agree that Wilder has tempered his optimistic manner since the day of his appointment but I cannot believe that he accepted the appointment without knowing the exact budget.

Again personally I wouldn't mind too much if Freeman and K.Wallace impress Wilder and stay. The other day we saw a clip of a training session behind Wilder in an interview and in the background I've never seen Coutts run around so fast or look so keen; you never know, he has the ability and Wilder might just shake up him and his attitude, after all if we pay him off he might never get another club.

Unlike you YES I am all for Wilder who has a momentous challenge but at this level he knows his stuff. My reservations about him don't come into play until we gain promotion and I just wonder whether he will be able to attract players up there, particularly on sensible wages; that's for the future and he will have another promotion on his CV by then, might never happen anyway.!
 
Pinchy said:
Probably emptying his pockets to keep our club going, as he's done for years....
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Hmmm. I take your point. What I don't accept that it has been a one way thing. Fans have been emptying their pockets, player talent has been degraded for cash, useless material assets have been acquired (like the pitch), managers have been hired (and fired and paid off) by him.

Were he working for me as a Corporate/Commercial Manager, he'd be sacked. Regardless of resources directed, the objective has been missed. For six years and longer.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
Hmmm. I take your point. What I don't accept that it has been a one way thing. Fans have been emptying their pockets, player talent has been degraded for cash, useless material assets have been acquired (like the pitch), managers have been hired (and fired and paid off) by him.

Were he working for me as a Corporate/Commercial Manager, he'd be sacked. Regardless of resources directed, the objective has been missed. For six years and longer.

pommpey
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Simple really - all we have to do is find a replacement for him and his money! :(
 
Tyler Durden said:
Ok, as promised here's my concise summary of tonights session. I haven't done one of these before so be nice.....you bastards ;). Foxy and Linz, feel free to interject if I've paraphrased too much.

Introduction

Chris Wilder:

  • This is the right time for me and Alan Knill to be taking charge at the club. I know the supporters, being one myself, understand what we (the supporters) expect.
  • Saw United play a few times last season, was bored by what was on offer.
  • Club has lost its identity, needs to play and also win in the right manner. Beating the opposition starts in the tunnel.
Alan Knill

  • Knows what its like to work under difficult circumstances. They came to Northampton 2nd bottom in the division, identified what was required and won the league in three years. United in a much better position regarding facilities and infrastructure. Promotion certainly not a three year job.

Transfers

  • Two targets in particular, (both centre-halves) identified. Hoping to have one or both in by end of next week.
  • Transfer budget impaired by players on transfer list draining resources with big contracts. Not ideal, but won't stop us getting in the players who can do the job at hand.
  • Slow movement has been the case across the league.
Approach

  • Importance of being clear about what we want from our players. Speaking to the players when I took charge, nobody really knew what their role was last season. This has to change
  • We have to have leaders on the pitch. This has been lacking. Essential to have individuals who can take our tactics/strategies/ethos and instill it in the players on the field
  • Defending corners: We won't have our box swamped. Need to have players positioned upfield to effectively counter-attack.
  • No more playing backwards and squarewards (*thank fuck*)
  • Re cup games: League is obviously the priority, but any team I pick for any game, I expect them to play to win, whether 5-a-side or FA Cup. Principle doesn't change not matter what the level.
Players

  • Asked Basham where he feels his strongest position is, he believes centre-midfield. Intends to play him there.
  • Done is NOT a left wing back, his place is clearly further up front
  • Question asked if Billy Sharp being made new captain was PR move? CW: Nothing I do is a PR move, he embodies the spirit we want in this team, knows what is required and is captain because he's most suited to the role.
  • Monitoring situation with our U-21 goalkeeper, had a very good season. Possibility of stepping up.
  • Believe Brayford and Scougall to be very strong assets if they play to their potential, up to them now to take that chance.
What needs to change

  • Knill: Saw us play a few times last season. Coventry defeat was the worst. Utter apathy, didn't look like wanting to win.
  • CW: Recruitment has been bang average this past couple of seasons, still need to deal with the legacy of that. (*He's looking at you, Hammond*)
  • Knill: No decent centre half since Morgs. Believes the two identified targets to have those qualities (not afraid to head the ball or put a robust tackle in)
Going Forward

  • We will not roll over for anyone next season
  • You don't sit back at 1-0, you have to put teams away decisively
  • Promotion without doubt is possible.
Conclusion: Music to my ears :)
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TD - you've missed your role in life. Minuting a meeting is a nightmare, particularly a sales meeting where everyone speaks bullshit anyway.
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
And thankfully the bloke continues to do so.

UTB
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Actually the way things have gone, KM losing money serves no purpose whatsoever. He should have spent his money a lot smarter. We could and should have had success at this level with half the cash he's had to inject. We are all losers actually but football only producers so many winners each season, that's how it is and thankfully budgets mean nothing when two teams meet 11 v 11 on the pitch.
 

We've had a centre back problem since Wilson left (record league clean sheets in his last season). Unfortunately, we became woeful in the scoring department as he left.

Wilder has to fix the centre back problem which the previous 2 incumbents failed to do.

He has to instil the attacking instinct and get quality delivery in the last third. Plus fight, I couldn't bear another season failing to win a game when we go behind.

Half way line passing and possession is all well and good if you then do something with it. What our players served up last season was timid boring dross and we deservedly finished 11th.

Fix the attitude and set pieces as well and we may see a different outcome and some excitement.

UTB
 
If we can get the attitude/talent (delete as appropriate) out of Freeman, Wallace and Coutts it will stop the need to sign any full backs and will give us an option for CM/RM (potentially one of the better ones in the league on his day).

The others can go for me. I just hope them 3 keep their heads down, work their socks off and prove they want to be at this football club because they can all be good assets.
 
Woodwardfan said:
It does seem strange that if Wilder had studied this forum for a while he would be saying most of these things, he can't have a mates who are fans who are writing his scripts can he? I did actually think the retained list was produced with indecent haste and that had a certain 'P.R' element to it too.

I agree with half of that YES Blade and I remember Adkins scoring 'Brownie Points' at his Meet the Manager night, talking about Basham for midfield and it seemed everybody in the room except me thought that was great. I do think giving Scougall is worth a shot but the lad flatters to deceive even when he's on form and he has to take more responsibility in the final third; I'm worried it will be an experiment that takes weeks to fail as with Basham in midfield. Having said all that we watched Coutts and Hammond for countless games last season, often alongside Basham and Woolford and it was seriously bad, so Basham and Scougs will be better than that, though surely they can't play together in a 4-4-2.

Good question re Sharp, I thought it was an easy win for Wilder and a P.R. move on the Bladey, Bladey theme. Didn't make sense to me that Wilder appointed him before knowing his centre backs and who the other 6 or so signings were going to be. Andy Butler wouldn't settle in this year either!! I hope we sign a couple of players who have been captains and can do the job better than Sharp; I prefer captains in defence or midfield personally and we can have three on the field at once!!

I too am concerned about the reference to budget restricting signings at this stage. I hope it is the case that it's simply hard to articulate that there are two stages to the recruitment plan and that the essential players will be with us soon and the second stage signings will have to wait a while until some move out and we know how much it costs to get rid of those on the list.. As ever time is of the essence and it's disappointing to hear we are on hold to whatever degree; I think the Board should provide for unknown losses on those listed players in due course and release budget now. Even as a 'clapper' I have to agree that Wilder has tempered his optimistic manner since the day of his appointment but I cannot believe that he accepted the appointment without knowing the exact budget.

Again personally I wouldn't mind too much if Freeman and K.Wallace impress Wilder and stay. The other day we saw a clip of a training session behind Wilder in an interview and in the background I've never seen Coutts run around so fast or look so keen; you never know, he has the ability and Wilder might just shake up him and his attitude, after all if we pay him off he might never get another club.

Unlike you YES I am all for Wilder who has a momentous challenge but at this level he knows his stuff. My reservations about him don't come into play until we gain promotion and I just wonder whether he will be able to attract players up there, particularly on sensible wages; that's for the future and he will have another promotion on his CV by then, might never happen anyway.!
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I'd be worried if the Manager and his Assistant have resorted to scouring forums, which let's face it mainly have the rantings of mad men on them, in order to come up with his plan for the season ahead.

I read things like this with a pinch of salt, it's good that the club runs these evenings as it's good PR and keeps the fans involved, however I think the majority of people who attend would be put in the "clapper" category and therefore sit there panting like a dog at everything the management team says.

My judgement like yours will be based upon the movements in and out in the transfer market, the performances and the league position, not some fans rally at the start of the season following 6 weeks of fuck all visible being done apart from transfer listing players we will never sell, paying a few others off and bringing in 2 (on paper) average league 1 players. Bah fucking humbug!
 
derekacorah said:
I'd be worried if the Manager and his Assistant have resorted to scouring forums, which let's face it mainly have the rantings of mad men on them, in order to come up with his plan for the season ahead.

I read things like this with a pinch of salt, it's good that the club runs these evenings as it's good PR and keeps the fans involved, however I think the majority of people who attend would be put in the "clapper" category and therefore sit there panting like a dog at everything the management team says.

My judgement like yours will be based upon the movements in and out in the transfer market, the performances and the league position, not some fans rally at the start of the season following 6 weeks of fuck all visible being done apart from transfer listing players we will never sell, paying a few others off and bringing in 2 (on paper) average league 1 players. Bah fucking humbug!
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Your argument falls down at the "average" league 1 players. One of them made the team of the year. How is that average, if he is considered, by his peers, to be one of the best 11 players in the division? Just proves the extreme utter nonesense people will spout to take a swipe at the club.

Btw, The invites to the meet the managers night are not only sent out to clappers. Literally anyone can.... even people who dont really like the club or anything it does.....
 
billyblademan said:
We very nearly went up with Steve Simmonsen as our goalkeeper - if you've got a team capable of scoring 80+ (minimum) goals a season then you don't need your goalie go be worldie
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With a better keeper than Simmonsen, we might not have needed to attempt to go up through the play offs. ;-)
 
S5Blade said:
Your argument falls down at the "average" league 1 players. One of them made the team of the year. How is that average, if he is considered, by his peers, to be one of the best 11 players in the division? Just proves the extreme utter nonesense people will spout to take a swipe at the club.

Btw, The invites to the meet the managers night are not only sent out to clappers. Literally anyone can.... even people who dont really like the club or anything it does.....
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I am aware of who the invite goes out to, my point is that most people attending are "bladey blades" and therefore will be more inclined to raise a glass to everything uttered by the manager.

Anyone who comes on here and doesn't subscribe to the view that everything in the garden is rosy is seen as a detractor, I'd love to see us in a position where we are doing well, I just take some convincing based on the behaviours shown by the club in recent years that this will happen anytime soon. Comments around us not being able to sign players because of the tripe we currently have on the transfer list hardly do anything to allay my fears.

As for the players we've signed it remains to be seen how good they are but they are hardly major signings for a club who states it's ambition each year is to get out of this league, Dean Hammond was contracted to the Premiership champions last year, doesn't make him good does it?!
 
Tyler Durden said:
Ok, as promised here's my concise summary of tonights session. I haven't done one of these before so be nice.....you bastards ;). Foxy and Linz, feel free to interject if I've paraphrased too much.

Introduction

Chris Wilder:

  • This is the right time for me and Alan Knill to be taking charge at the club. I know the supporters, being one myself, understand what we (the supporters) expect.
  • Saw United play a few times last season, was bored by what was on offer.
  • Club has lost its identity, needs to play and also win in the right manner. Beating the opposition starts in the tunnel.
Alan Knill

  • Knows what its like to work under difficult circumstances. They came to Northampton 2nd bottom in the division, identified what was required and won the league in three years. United in a much better position regarding facilities and infrastructure. Promotion certainly not a three year job.

Transfers

  • Two targets in particular, (both centre-halves) identified. Hoping to have one or both in by end of next week.
  • Transfer budget impaired by players on transfer list draining resources with big contracts. Not ideal, but won't stop us getting in the players who can do the job at hand.
  • Slow movement has been the case across the league.
Approach

  • Importance of being clear about what we want from our players. Speaking to the players when I took charge, nobody really knew what their role was last season. This has to change
  • We have to have leaders on the pitch. This has been lacking. Essential to have individuals who can take our tactics/strategies/ethos and instill it in the players on the field
  • Defending corners: We won't have our box swamped. Need to have players positioned upfield to effectively counter-attack.
  • No more playing backwards and squarewards (*thank fuck*)
  • Re cup games: League is obviously the priority, but any team I pick for any game, I expect them to play to win, whether 5-a-side or FA Cup. Principle doesn't change not matter what the level.
Players

  • Asked Basham where he feels his strongest position is, he believes centre-midfield. Intends to play him there.
  • Done is NOT a left wing back, his place is clearly further up front
  • Question asked if Billy Sharp being made new captain was PR move? CW: Nothing I do is a PR move, he embodies the spirit we want in this team, knows what is required and is captain because he's most suited to the role.
  • Monitoring situation with our U-21 goalkeeper, had a very good season. Possibility of stepping up.
  • Believe Brayford and Scougall to be very strong assets if they play to their potential, up to them now to take that chance.
What needs to change

  • Knill: Saw us play a few times last season. Coventry defeat was the worst. Utter apathy, didn't look like wanting to win.
  • CW: Recruitment has been bang average this past couple of seasons, still need to deal with the legacy of that. (*He's looking at you, Hammond*)
  • Knill: No decent centre half since Morgs. Believes the two identified targets to have those qualities (not afraid to head the ball or put a robust tackle in)
Going Forward

  • We will not roll over for anyone next season
  • You don't sit back at 1-0, you have to put teams away decisively
  • Promotion without doubt is possible.
Conclusion: Music to my ears :)
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Good stuff Tyler.
Might even go to a few friendlies
 
UnitedBlade said:
We've had a centre back problem since Wilson left (record league clean sheets in his last season). Unfortunately, we became woeful in the scoring department as he left.

Wilder has to fix the centre back problem which the previous 2 incumbents failed to do.

He has to instil the attacking instinct and get quality delivery in the last third. Plus fight, I couldn't bear another season failing to win a game when we go behind.

Half way line passing and possession is all well and good if you then do something with it. What our players served up last season was timid boring dross and we deservedly finished 11th.

Fix the attitude and set pieces as well and we may see a different outcome and some excitement.

UTB
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Record clean sheets and Neil Collins played 45 games, nobody on here will believe you!!;):D
 
Woodwardfan said:
Actually the way things have gone, KM losing money serves no purpose whatsoever. He should have spent his money a lot smarter. We could and should have had success at this level with half the cash he's had to inject. We are all losers actually but football only producers so many winners each season, that's how it is and thankfully budgets mean nothing when two teams meet 11 v 11 on the pitch.
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You are right in what you say Woody , but running a football club ( even a successful one ) drains money like turning a tap on . Yo do need investment to go backwards , standstill and move forwards.

Yes we have wasted money ,but McCabes intentions have always been for the good of the club , but backfired due to a unprofessional , sometimes Fred Carno set up, with no thought or direction.

Wilder does seem the only bloke who has a angle on the money side , as the rest just don't know its value IMO.

That's the problem.

Bring on the football.
 
Fraggle Blade said:
I have a negative attitude, because I think Basham is over-rated and I don't think Long is good enough?
I'd just call that an opinion.
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Thanks Tyler Durden

Personally I think centre midfield is where Basham belongs and that he's a good footballer with a good attitude. He's been mucked about no end over the last couple of seasons but I think under Wilder he will know what his job is and he will do it well.

I know that CW rates him highly and that he's a much better judge than me.

I'm hoping that we may well see Michael Brown reincarnated
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
You are right in what you say Woody , but running a football club ( even a successful one ) drains money like turning a tap on . Yo do need investment to go backwards , standstill and move forwards.

Yes we have wasted money ,but McCabes intentions have always been for the good of the club , but backfired due to a unprofessional , sometimes Fred Carno set up, with no thought or direction.

Wilder does seem the only bloke who has a angle on the money side , as the rest just don't know its value IMO.

That's the problem.

Bring on the football.
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No point having an angle on the money side and not making any signings. We do need a lot more players and the sooner the better for a good start to the season.

Would hate to see two or three listed players making the numbers up even on the bench.
 
Woodwardfan said:
No point having an angle on the money side and not making any signings. We do need a lot more players and the sooner the better for a good start to the season.

Would hate to see two or three listed players making the numbers up even on the bench.
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If we see two or three listed players making the numbers up IMO we have failed before we have started. The listed players do not fit in or suit the type of football we are to play . We do need signings and not last minute .com
 

It sounds to me (and I understand it's in CW's interest to make it sound like this) that the players had very low morale under Adkins and that was transmitted to their performances on the pitch.
They were obviously used to Clough telling the exactly what they should be doing, where they should be positioned etc and just didn't get whatever it was Adkins was trying to do.

When Clough came in, a lot of our players were playing badly. If you'd never seen them before you'd just assume they were shit. Whatever else he did wrong, he got players like Baxter, Murphy, Flynn playing well. It's possible, probable even, that Wilder will have a similar impact with some of the current players.

Is it the answer? No, we still need to bring players in. Will it help? Undoubtedly.
 
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