Report From 'Meet The Manager' This Evening

[Barney]

He's made it clear he's not going to play the listed players unless they seriously pull their socks up.

So he's going to play them then.

 

[Woodwardfan]

As it stands we have a mid table squad . A long way to go yet to have a promotion winning squad . Even bringing in free transfers , out of contract players appears to be on a different level at United than it was at Northampton.

Wilder and Knill will be working 24 / 7 but IMO they have underestimated the job in hand , hence certain things yet to fall into place. To be fair to Wilder we have again a manager operating with both hands tied behind his back due to previous mistakes . It's a viscous circle which we just cannot break . Wilder even at this stage has been saying he is not afraid of the sack .

We are all backing the club , but players on the books who are not in our plans are restricting us in the transfer market and what makes it worst is some of the silly fuckers ITK who come out with stupid player suggestions or complete shite .

Wilder will sort it , but big club mentality is holding us back . Players would play in a shit heap for more of the Yankee Dollar and a long contract .

UTB

My Lord, may I comment that "as it stands" we wouldn't be able to complete the season with so few players.

As regards budgets and player recruitment so many on here are making sweeping assumptions just because we've only signed two players. It's early days.

Perhaps/ probably within a couple of weeks some posters will have egg on their faces (total guess).

 

[Pollingtonblade]

My Lord, may I comment that "as it stands" we wouldn't be able to complete the season with so few players.

As regards budgets and player recruitment so many on here are making sweeping assumptions just because we've only signed two players. It's early days.

Perhaps/ probably within a couple of weeks some posters will have egg on their faces (total guess).

Probably those who are suggesting the incomings are coming

 

[Woodwardfan]

The club website Player Profiles Team Page has been updated this weekend and the squad is down to 14 players, three of whom are transfer listed:

GK: Long
Defenders: Brayford, Basham, Hussey.
Midfielders: Duffy, Reed, Whiteman, Done plus transfer listed Coutts, Woolford and K.Wallace
Strikers: Sharp, Adams, Lewin.

Scougall and McNulty are not included but I suggest they add one to midfield and one to strikers above.

Therefore the number of players in each section totals:

GK 1
Def 3
Mid 5 plus 3 transfer listed.
Str 4

Wilder has intimated that we are aiming for a squad of 24 and maybe the split of players would look something like this:

GK 2
Def 8
Mid 9
Str 5

Seems we need a goalkeeper, 5 defenders, 4 midfielders and 1 strikers.

We all have opinions whether a couple of the listed players should stay and whether Done is a striker and Basham a midfielder but if we count the retention of a listed player as a ' new signing' then we need 11 new signings by the time we start the season. There is the additional doubt that either Scougall or McNulty will be with us long, so perhaps the number could be 13 new signings needed.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

The club website Player Profiles Team Page has been updated this weekend and the squad is down to 14 players, three of whom are transfer listed:

GK: Long
Defenders: Brayford, Basham, Hussey.
Midfielders: Duffy, Reed, Whiteman, Done plus transfer listed Coutts, Woolford and K.Wallace
Strikers: Sharp, Adams, Lewin.

Scougall and McNulty are not included but I suggest they add one to midfield and one to strikers above.

Therefore the number of players in each section totals:

GK 1
Def 3
Mid 5 plus 3 transfer listed.
Str 4

Wilder has intimated that we are aiming for a squad of 24 and maybe the split of players would look something like this:

GK 2
Def 8
Mid 9
Str 5

Seems we need a goalkeeper, 5 defenders, 4 midfielders and 1 strikers.

We all have opinions whether a couple of the listed players should stay and whether Done is a striker and Basham a midfielder but if we count the retention of a listed player as a ' new signing' then we need 11 new signings by the time we start the season. There is the additional doubt that either Scougall or McNulty will be with us long, so perhaps the number could be 13 new signings needed.

There is more chance of a 2nd referendum next month than us signing 11 players.

 

[Champagneblade]

There's a few on pro deals not listed there:

Keepers - Ramsdale, Eastwood - are we going to use budget on a player who may not play?

Defenders - Kelly

Midfielders - Brooks, Gordon, Smith, Crofts

Forwards - Wright, Hall

Young pros I appreciate and some might be farmed out on loan but no point in the academy if they cannot fulfill League one backup role.

I reckon it could be 6 more in as he stated - 3 defenders, 2 midfielders, one left Center and one wide and one target man. That takes you to 31.

It wouldn't surprise me if we cashed in on Adams, and then a combo of loaning youngsters and getting the listed players gone to get to 24.

Either way things need to get moving asap.

 

[Woodwardfan]

There's a few on pro deals not listed there:

Keepers - Ramsdale, Eastwood - are we going to use budget on a player who may not play?

Defenders - Kelly

Midfielders - Brooks, Gordon, Smith, Crofts

Forwards - Wright, Hall

Young pros I appreciate and some might be farmed out on loan but no point in the academy if they cannot fulfill League one backup role.

I reckon it could be 6 more in as he stated - 3 defenders, 2 midfielders, one left Center and one wide and one target man. That takes you to 31.

It wouldn't surprise me if we cashed in on Adams, and then a combo of loaning youngsters and getting the listed players gone to get to 24.

Either way things need to get moving asap.

Agree about the young lads but bear in mind of the 13 players listed above three are Whiteman, Reed and Calvert-Lewin and I think they are at that stage you mention; in a promotion squad at least two of them are "back up" players at this stage, you could argue all three are.. Good luck to the young lads you mention, looks like they'll get opportunities like none before them and no doubt a couple will grasp the opportunity.

The thing about our strikeforce of Sharp, Adams, McNulty, Lewin and Done is the 'sameness' apart from Lewin who is not ready yet anyway. We need a target man in there really -big, mobile and quick (like Lewin mind you), at least for Plan B, sometimes Plan A - young loan player probably but not just for the bench.

All things considered McNulty is not needed, somebody with different attributes would be better.

 

[Champagneblade]

Clearly the noises about a few clubs being interested in Adams will be the precursor to his departure.

He's one of those in between players with flair for whom a system has to be derived to get the best from him and I'm not sure United are at a stage to be doing that. We more need a set plan we can role out most weeks and players who do their predefined roles well.

Adams is neither disciplined winger nor leader of the forward line, nor is he an attack minded midfield player nor natural number ten. He's got good attributes; unless he develops more into a team player than unpredictable maverick, I'm not clear how much consistency we will get from him over 46 matches.

In an ideal world, the forwards ought to include:
1. Poacher - Billy
2. Aerial combatant - none present
3. Pacey option - none present, Adams closest
4. No 10 - none present, arguably not needed at this level and with Wilder's style.

I think Wilder will get the second at some point.

McNulty will need to answer the question - what happens when Billy is injured, suspended, tired, off his game? So he'll be more of the same than a pacey option if he will accept this role.

Done will have some value in terms of the nuisance his work ethic creates. Perhaps not the same as raw pace but something to keep the defence on their toes. He's more an all rounder to me.

I would argue a playmaker might go against the high octane approach though having someone who can pick a lock as an alternative can be useful.

Billy forms so much of plan A that I can see value in McNulty to keep him fresh and offer a viable alternative.

I don't really see Adams as his best partner. In a sense his maverick ability, much like a play maker can make him a potential game changer but I don't see him as dependable. If someone is offering good cash for what I would see as plan B and money could get a good target man then this might be of greater use. Though it would be sad seeing another young player sold there is an element of Kazin-Richards about him; does the occasional good thing but never consistently enough.

If we finish with Sharp, target man as first choices followed by McNulty and Done, I'd then be inclined to further loan out Calvert-Lewin, Wright, Hall and loan in a genuinely pacey Prem reserve to give that choice and cash in on Che for the rebuild.

If he has come on leaps and bounds then perhaps reconsider but a lot of rough edges there and not much margin for carrying players this season.

 

[finlaytheblade]

There is more chance of a 2nd referendum next month than us signing 11 players.

We have 3 keepers 2 accepted very young but we are going to go with them ( Chris said as much on Thursday). If Long started the season poorly ( don't think he will) he may have to look at it again but as it stands the 3 we have is it.

 

[Ecco1889]

I too am expecting che to be departing very soon,whereas I would love to see what wilder and knill can get out of him

 

[finlaytheblade]

Clearly the noises about a few clubs being interested in Adams will be the precursor to his departure.

He's one of those in between players with flair for whom a system has to be derived to get the best from him and I'm not sure United are at a stage to be doing that. We more need a set plan we can role out most weeks and players who do their predefined roles well.

Adams is neither disciplined winger nor leader of the forward line, nor is he an attack minded midfield player nor natural number ten. He's got good attributes; unless he develops more into a team player than unpredictable maverick, I'm not clear how much consistency we will get from him over 46 matches.

In an ideal world, the forwards ought to include:
1. Poacher - Billy
2. Aerial combatant - none present
3. Pacey option - none present, Adams closest
4. No 10 - none present, arguably not needed at this level and with Wilder's style.

I think Wilder will get the second at some point.

McNulty will need to answer the question - what happens when Billy is injured, suspended, tired, off his game? So he'll be more of the same than a pacey option if he will accept this role.

Done will have some value in terms of the nuisance his work ethic creates. Perhaps not the same as raw pace but something to keep the defence on their toes. He's more an all rounder to me.

I would argue a playmaker might go against the high octane approach though having someone who can pick a lock as an alternative can be useful.

Billy forms so much of plan A that I can see value in McNulty to keep him fresh and offer a viable alternative.

I don't really see Adams as his best partner. In a sense his maverick ability, much like a play maker can make him a potential game changer but I don't see him as dependable. If someone is offering good cash for what I would see as plan B and money could get a good target man then this might be of greater use. Though it would be sad seeing another young player sold there is an element of Kazin-Richards about him; does the occasional good thing but never consistently enough.

If we finish with Sharp, target man as first choices followed by McNulty and Done, I'd then be inclined to further loan out Calvert-Lewin, Wright, Hall and loan in a genuinely pacey Prem reserve to give that choice and cash in on Che for the rebuild.

If he has come on leaps and bounds then perhaps reconsider but a lot of rough edges there and not much margin for carrying players this season.

Good post champs

 

[Barney Rubble]

All things considered McNulty is not needed, somebody with different attributes would be better.

Disagree that McNulty is not needed. If Wilder plays with the 4-2-3-1 formation he used at Northampton then I would expect Billy to be the front player with Done and Adams (along with Scougall and Duffy) competing to play in the 3 behind. Given McNulty's knack of scoring goals, I would expect him to be the man to come in if Billy is unable to play, being the other player best suited to carrying out this role in the current squad.

I agree that we need to also sign a new target man,but suspect, like you, that he'd be starting on the bench and only coming on when we want to change things around.

Edit - Posted before Champagne Blades reply,, and which probably expresses my thoughts more eloquently and in greater detail.

 

[Silent Blade]

There's a few on pro deals not listed there:

Keepers - Ramsdale, Eastwood - are we going to use budget on a player who may not play?

Defenders - Kelly

Midfielders - Brooks, Gordon, Smith, Crofts

Forwards - Wright, Hall

Young pros I appreciate and some might be farmed out on loan but no point in the academy if they cannot fulfill League one backup role.

I reckon it could be 6 more in as he stated - 3 defenders, 2 midfielders, one left Center and one wide and one target man. That takes you to 31.

It wouldn't surprise me if we cashed in on Adams, and then a combo of loaning youngsters and getting the listed players gone to get to 24.

Either way things need to get moving asap.

Looking at the pre-season training photos I spot Callum Semple training with the 1st team

 

[Grizzly blade]

It's all a worry that we are looking at needing that many players, even before the 2-3 we hope will also move on!

There is no chance we will be bringing that many players into the club, and it leaves us open to even bigger problems should we experience a few injuries.
We cannot loan that many, and I suspect that with all the annual pay offs we have next to fuck all left in the budget and Wilder is left scraping around L2 and non league hoping to hell he can find some that can do a job.
Of course we have the academy....meaning our great leader can finally see the fruits of his labour in the first team...in other words a team of academy players taking us down to L2.

This upcoming season has a stench of donkeys, candy floss and vomit about it.....McCabe being our own Oyston!?

 

[Deadbat]

The reality is that whilst a lot of dross has been got rid of we are in an even worse state in terms of personnel (currently). We have not really other than 2 signings, replaced them. The squad was poor last season but is just as bad now but with less bodies.

We finished mid table last season and unless Wilder is some sort of motivational/tactical genius then we are middle still at best. I expect Wilder to improve things in terms of attitude, application and organisation but that alone will not be enough.

As others have said we need at least 5 or 6 to be competitive and have a chance of the playoffs and probably another 3 or 4 on top of that (9 or 10) to be even thinking about automatic. I am stunned by the odds. I look at settled sides like Millwall and Scunthorpe and then teams who have spent quite a bit like Charlton or still have reasonable talent like MK Dons. We are quite a bit off that.

I expect a drop off from likes of Walsall and Gillingham but others below will improve too.

I am not panicking at this point but we have in affect 5 weeks to get those players in. If another 2 or 3 weeks go by without additions then we will know that it is going to be hard to be ready from the off. We saw last season when we were not ready in terms of players (defenders) that it is hard to recover.

It does seem odd that Wilder has been in the job now for nearly 2 months and has only been able to sign 2 players. I think even those saying be patient and there is time are not naive enough to realise that the reality is there are some reasons to have some concerns. It seems we are skint and are struggling mightily to get anyone in. As others have said; we have brought in the joint least amount of players this summer in the League per club and we were the club that maybe released the most players.

It does concern me that Wilder said he wanted X amount of players and mentioned nothing about having to move players out. He spoke about positions and what he wanted and said he was close. This has repeated several times and one week has gone into another. Now he is talking about having to juggle the books and get men out. Sadly we have heard it all before. If Adkins had said some of the stuff Wilder has said he would be getting hammered I feel. The goalposts seem to change every week regards incoming players. It is typical United.

I expect we will sign a few defenders before the start of the season and maybe another few players but as bad as some of players have been before (we can slag Baxter, Collins, McEveley, Hammond, Coutts - I have and often) they were still not part of a side I feared would struggle. The side at the moment with players like Semple, Calvert LEwin, Reed, Whiteman and others seemingly all promiment is a side that would would be badly exposed.

 

[Revolution]

Selling Adams would be a major error IMHO. It would also be another depressingly repetitive move, showing that the club has learned nothing.

As for the squad, I am already resigned to not going up this year. The lack of activity, the losing out on players in bidding wars,moving of goalposts in relation to whether or not we need to sell before we can sign, and the talking up of the awful Scougall and pedestrian Basham all suggest that we will have no chance of assembling the quality squad we need.

 

[Harry's Game]

My biggest worry in all this is that there is no emergency loan window next season. If we don't get the right players in, or enough players in and it goes wrong we cannot change it until January which may be too late.

This is crucial, it can't be like the Weir season where we had to make an emergency manager appointment and bring in two or three players to save us, This is it, NOW. We seem to be rabbits trapped in the headlights at the moment.

 

[Deadbat]

Selling Adams would be a major error IMHO. It would also be another depressingly repetitive move, showing that the club has learned nothing.

As for the squad, I am already resigned to not going up this year. The lack of activity, the losing out on players in bidding wars,moving of goalposts in relation to whether or not we need to sell before we can sign, and the talking up of the awful Scougall and pedestrian Basham all suggest that we will have no chance of assembling the quality squad we need.

Sadly I agree. Basham and Scougall are no more the answer than Hammond and Coutts. Not sure what either offers? Technically poor; dont score, poor passing and rarely set up. Neither are stoppers/intimidators. Neither affects games at all. Two very poor players that if are regulars we wont be anywhere near promotion.

These are being seen as two starters too which is quite frightening

 

[Sothall_Blade]

As it stands, we have a relegation squad:

Long
Brayford Semple Basham Hussey
Reed Whiteman
Duffy Scougal Adams
Sharp

Bench

Done
DCL
McNulty
Ramsdale
Kelly

He's made it clear he's not going to play the listed players unless they seriously pull their socks up. Bringing in 3 or 4 would make us mid table (assuming they're improvements). I think we'd need more like 7 or 8 to be in promotion contention, unless we had no injuries.

Long
Brayford CB CB Hussey
Basham LCM
Duffy Adams LW
Sharp

Four good new signings and that looks much better than a mid-table side to me.
CW has also said he would get a third CB and a target man.
Which gives us a fairly strong bench of:-

Ramsdale, CB, Whiteman, Scougall, Done, McNulty, CF

Backup Squad players:- Eastwood, Semple, Kelly, Reed, Brooks, Calvert-Lewin

That's your 24 man squad if Wilder is able to do what he would like to do.
Assuming the other new signings are at the Duffy/Hussey/McFadzean level, I think that should be good enough for a promotion challenge.

However, it seems likely to me that Adams will be sold, so put Scougall or Done in his position and we're a bit weaker.

It's unlikely that all five remaining transfer-listed players will leave but..
it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for me if K.Wallace does well enough to become the third choice centre-back.
If Freeman stays to cover both full back positions (if not, who else will be?)
If J.Wallace could have a full pre-season and stay fit, he is of the type and quality we require.
I don't really see a role for either Woolford or Coutts whatever happens.

So, yes we are 6 players short at the moment which is what CW has said from the start. He may find (or be forced to accept) that 2 or 3 of the those players are already at the club.

 

[judge]

The reality is that whilst a lot of dross has been got rid of we are in an even worse state in terms of personnel (currently). We have not really other than 2 signings, replaced them. The squad was poor last season but is just as bad now but with less bodies.

We finished mid table last season and unless Wilder is some sort of motivational/tactical genius then we are middle still at best. I expect Wilder to improve things in terms of attitude, application and organisation but that alone will not be enough.

As others have said we need at least 5 or 6 to be competitive and have a chance of the playoffs and probably another 3 or 4 on top of that (9 or 10) to be even thinking about automatic. I am stunned by the odds. I look at settled sides like Millwall and Scunthorpe and then teams who have spent quite a bit like Charlton or still have reasonable talent like MK Dons. We are quite a bit off that.

I expect a drop off from likes of Walsall and Gillingham but others below will improve too.

I am not panicking at this point but we have in affect 5 weeks to get those players in. If another 2 or 3 weeks go by without additions then we will know that it is going to be hard to be ready from the off. We saw last season when we were not ready in terms of players (defenders) that it is hard to recover.

It does seem odd that Wilder has been in the job now for nearly 2 months and has only been able to sign 2 players. I think even those saying be patient and there is time are not naive enough to realise that the reality is there are some reasons to have some concerns. It seems we are skint and are struggling mightily to get anyone in. As others have said; we have brought in the joint least amount of players this summer in the League per club and we were the club that maybe released the most players.

It does concern me that Wilder said he wanted X amount of players and mentioned nothing about having to move players out. He spoke about positions and what he wanted and said he was close. This has repeated several times and one week has gone into another. Now he is talking about having to juggle the books and get men out. Sadly we have heard it all before. If Adkins had said some of the stuff Wilder has said he would be getting hammered I feel. The goalposts seem to change every week regards incoming players. It is typical United.

I expect we will sign a few defenders before the start of the season and maybe another few players but as bad as some of players have been before (we can slag Baxter, Collins, McEveley, Hammond, Coutts - I have and often) they were still not part of a side I feared would struggle. The side at the moment with players like Semple, Calvert LEwin, Reed, Whiteman and others seemingly all promiment is a side that would would be badly exposed.

It's really worrying isn't it ?
All the signs pointed to a much reduced budget and the optimism from some forum members that the players about to run out of contract would be easily replaced by newcomers on above average league one wages have looked initially a bit glass half full

Our board seem to take us a step back each year and make promotion just out of reach for the management who must feel like they can almost reach promotion almost touch it but the obstacles in place seem to push their objectives too far away every year

This year however the decisiveness needed from day one to build a squad ready to go and build some momentum just isn't there and I think comparisons to Blackpool aren't that far off the mark

Hope some positive activity in the next few weeks prove me wrong but my gut feeling and my experience of the chain of command at bdtbl are at the moment extremely negative

 

[Woodwardfan]

Disagree that McNulty is not needed. If Wilder plays with the 4-2-3-1 formation he used at Northampton then I would expect Billy to be the front player with Done and Adams (along with Scougall and Duffy) competing to play in the 3 behind. Given McNulty's knack of scoring goals, I would expect him to be the man to come in if Billy is unable to play, being the other player best suited to carrying out this role in the current squad.

I agree that we need to also sign a new target man,but suspect, like you, that he'd be starting on the bench and only coming on when we want to change things around.

Edit - Posted before Champagne Blades reply,, and which probably expresses my thoughts more eloquently and in greater detail.

It's all opinion, but I don't rate McNulty highly enough to play that role. He's a really good chance taker but doesn't have enough 'presence' to lead the attack, especially as one up top.

I hope the new target man signing will deputise for Sharp when he's not available, otherwise we look a bit thin.

By the end of the season I'm also hoping Calvert-Lewin is first choice, let's hope so.

 

[Grizzly blade]

We are all united in thinking that Wilder is not a bullshitter. He says it as it is, and like the early days of Adkins and Clough has said what he wants to happen.

Then, a few weeks later he seems to have changed plan.....now that cannot be down to him.

It has to be down to the board. I wouldn't be surprised if the goalposts have moved for Wilder in the two short months since he arrived. If they have, I would expect Wilder to make a stance and put the club up as accountable.

He has a reputation to lose if he allows the board to go back on assurances they gave him. Nothing would make it clearer than for him to up and clear off. Head held high, making it clear he won't be made into a patsy for the owner.

Even I would be outside the club with my shoes in hand.

 

[Woodwardfan]

We are all united in thinking that Wilder is not a bullshitter. He says it as it is, and like the early days of Adkins and Clough has said what he wants to happen.

Then, a few weeks later he seems to have changed plan.....now that cannot be down to him.

It has to be down to the board. I wouldn't be surprised if the goalposts have moved for Wilder in the two short months since he arrived. If they have, I would expect Wilder to make a stance and put the club up as accountable.

He has a reputation to lose if he allows the board to go back on assurances they gave him. Nothing would make it clearer than for him to up and clear off. Head held high, making it clear he won't be made into a patsy for the owner.

Even I would be outside the club with my shoes in hand.

Thing is he has not stated any of that, in fact he has stated that he understands the club's current approach bearing in mind the mistakes of the past. He hasn't said anything has changed but if it had I would agree with you that Wilder would say it as it is, however he hasn't said anything of the sort, just a handful of fans on here have, the usual suspects plus a couple of new members, none of whom asked the question apparently at the recent Meet the Manager meetings.

Wilder will have discussed budgets and strategies before he accepted the job and was only appointed on 12th May. If anything had changed since then I'd be gobsmacked but Wilder himself may have misjudged the pulling power of SUFC and maybe his own pulling power too! He might well regret some of his more bullish statements in amongst the excitement of his appointment but he'll sign at least 6 players or more, that's for sure.

If the budget had been reduced since 12th May I'd be in the car park with you Grizzly.

 

[Champagneblade]

I think this week will be very telling.

If we don't sign anyone I'll question what we are waiting for.

If you include the new 6 young pros as additions, we will have removed a net of 24 players from last season.

That's quite an unbelievable reduction in outgoings.

We have added 2 only. So net 22 down with 5 of those listed.

So what are we waiting for?

Kieran Wallace must be on very little plus he could cover at left back or centre half as well as anyone willing to come as 3rd choice centre back.

If we let Kieran Freeman go, who covers an injury hit Brayford? Assuming Basham is now a preferred midfield option?

So does the who recruitment of the 6 positions Chris listed depend on bids for a pedestrian winger and two central midfielders whose bodies could be donated to science?

Something is definitely up if we are chatting this time next week and the squad is the same.

For all the optimism of a few weeks ago, talk of not being bullied in the dugout or on the field falls on deaf ears if the board are allowing us to get bullied in the transfer market.

 

[Kenilworth]

Long
Brayford CB CB Hussey
Basham LCM
Duffy Adams LW
Sharp

Four good new signings and that looks much better than a mid-table side to me.
CW has also said he would get a third CB and a target man.
Which gives us a fairly strong bench of:-

Ramsdale, CB, Whiteman, Scougall, Done, McNulty, CF

Backup Squad players:- Eastwood, Semple, Kelly, Reed, Brooks, Calvert-Lewin

That's your 24 man squad if Wilder is able to do what he would like to do.
Assuming the other new signings are at the Duffy/Hussey/McFadzean level, I think that should be good enough for a promotion challenge.

However, it seems likely to me that Adams will be sold, so put Scougall or Done in his position and we're a bit weaker.

It's unlikely that all five remaining transfer-listed players will leave but..
it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for me if K.Wallace does well enough to become the third choice centre-back.
If Freeman stays to cover both full back positions (if not, who else will be?)
If J.Wallace could have a full pre-season and stay fit, he is of the type and quality we require.
I don't really see a role for either Woolford or Coutts whatever happens.

So, yes we are 6 players short at the moment which is what CW has said from the start. He may find (or be forced to accept) that 2 or 3 of the those players are already at the club.

Eh? I never said that.
Lord Boss of Eccers did. Not me

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Eh? I never said that.
Lord Boss of Eccers did. Not me

Sorry. I think it was Robbiez actually. Not sure how your name got in there?

 

[Kenilworth]

Sorry. I think it was Robbiez actually. Not sure how your name got in there?

It's the 666 - number of the beast bit, I'm sure of it. Spooky init?

 

[pommpey]

... he hasn't said anything of the sort, just a handful of fans on here have, the usual suspects plus a couple of new members, none of whom asked the question apparently at the recent Meet the Manager meetings ... .

You getting worried about the apology you'll be forced to make WWF?

pommpey

 

[zablade]

We are all united in thinking that Wilder is not a bullshitter. He says it as it is, and like the early days of Adkins and Clough has said what he wants to happen.

Then, a few weeks later he seems to have changed plan.....now that cannot be down to him.

It has to be down to the board. I wouldn't be surprised if the goalposts have moved for Wilder in the two short months since he arrived. If they have, I would expect Wilder to make a stance and put the club up as accountable.

He has a reputation to lose if he allows the board to go back on assurances they gave him. Nothing would make it clearer than for him to up and clear off. Head held high, making it clear he won't be made into a patsy for the owner.

Even I would be outside the club with my shoes in hand.

Wilder is managing the club he grew up supporting, he is also probbaly managing at a level that just three years ago he could only dream of managing at.

In many respects this is his dream job, he's not going to Jepodise that position before the season even starts

 

[Tyler Durden]

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So then......