Regan Slater

[Torrix1889]

We need fewer small midfielders. Wilder signed another small unathletic midfielder in Rothwell recently.
We can now field 5 or 6 central midfielders who aren’t tall or strong or mobile.
Modern football requires the opposite. It’s frustrating that we keep doing it.

That will be the 6.1ft Joe Rothwell...?

 

[Rudders]

That will be the 6.1ft Joe Rothwell...?

In his dreams!

 

[Silent Blade]

Don't think Regans dad will be too enthusiastic!

I think he didnt like Paul Heckingbottom

 

[CaptainMorgans]

We need fewer small midfielders. Wilder signed another small unathletic midfielder in Rothwell recently.
We can now field 5 or 6 central midfielders who aren’t tall or strong or mobile.
Modern football requires the opposite. It’s frustrating that we keep doing it.

Phillips, Soumaré, Riedewald...? I'd argue Rothwell and Peck aren't small or unathletic either.

 

[KMC-1889]

Really? Ndiaye, RND, Osula and jebbison in seasons before breaking through and playing at least 19 games. That's with promotions and premier league money. It's pretty well known? Plenty of young loans too where premier league sides trust us with young players.

Which manger did they break through under?

Interesting how Gibbs-White & McAtee’s careers progressed compared to say, Raj-Sakyi.

Current manager is dismal at developing youth. They either make the grade or he bins them off.

Alternatively shagging one of his daughters is a proven route to the first team.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

"He's a player we know all about"

"He gets the culture of this club"

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

"He's a player we know all about"

"He gets the culture of this club"

What a terrible thing

Let's go for another Matos instead

 

[Nick Jansky]

Current manager is dismal at developing youth. They either make the grade or he bins them off.

So literally the same as every other manager then. What are the other options to the above?

I’m far from being a Wilder fan, but he has transitioned Brooks, Seriki, Peck and Arblaster into the first team really well. Credit where it’s due.

 

[Balham]

Phillips, Soumaré, Riedewald...? I'd argue Rothwell and Peck aren't small or unathletic either.

Phillips is an experienced professional on loan from the most successful English side over the past 10 years. He's not going to be here next season.

Soumaré is athletic, I'll give you that, but he's technically lacking and far too loose in possession. I don't doubt that he'll have a decent career but probably in a slower league where he's under less pressure.

Riedewald has looked a step above since he joined and is rightly first choice when fit. Our results with and without him are stark (first two matches as he got up to speed were defeats at Preston and Coventry).


Rothwell is slow and unathletic. He might be fairly tall (6'1") but that doesn't mean much if he can't get about the pitch

Peck turns like milk, particularly in possession. He's got a decent engine on him but he's not athletic in the sense of speed over 10 yards or changes in direction.

Arblaster was more athletic pre-ACL but he's clearly still working his way back to fitness and will probably be seen almost exclusively as a sub from here on in.

 

[KMC-1889]

So literally the same as every other manager then. What are the other options to the above?

I’m far from being a Wilder fan, but he has transitioned Brooks, Seriki, Peck and Arblaster into the first team really well. Credit where it’s due.

Two of those reached the first team through that third way.

The other was only in the team following a veto of signing Dozell and injuries. Ditto with Seriki, he’s signed half a dozen right backs and wingers rather than play Brooks or Seriki and has resorted numerous times to playing other players out of position rather than develop youth players.

They are doing well despite wilder, rather than because of him, and it’s no shock this has come at the time they’re both looking for a new contract elsewhere.

Jebbison, Osula, Marsh, Buyabu, Sausnakas, Zatterstrom, Curtis are all having their careers mismanaged, added to Gordon, Amissah, Slater, Smith etc… the evidence is pretty damning. We have a great youth set up but a horrific pathway to getting them into the first team unless they can make the grade immediately.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Two of those reached the first team through that third way.

The other was only in the team following a veto of signing Dozell and injuries. Ditto with Seriki, he’s signed half a dozen right backs and wingers rather than play Brooks or Seriki and has resorted numerous times to playing other players out of position rather than develop youth players.

They are doing well despite wilder, rather than because of him, and it’s no shock this has come at the time they’re both looking for a new contract elsewhere.

Jebbison, Osula, Marsh, Buyabu, Sausnakas, Zatterstrom, Curtis are all having their careers mismanaged, added to Gordon, Amissah, Slater, Smith etc… the evidence is pretty damning. We have a great youth set up but a horrific pathway to getting them into the first team unless they can make the grade immediately.

Wilder derangement syndrome is so fascinating.

Not every player on the fringes of the first team via the academy is going to be good enough.

Success on the pitch is more important than giving players not good enough minutes and should ALWAYS be the aim.

 

[JohnDenver]

Wilder derangement syndrome is so fascinating.

Not every player on the fringes of the first team via the academy is going to be good enough.

Success on the pitch is more important than giving players not good enough minutes and should ALWAYS be the aim.

Is there a parallel reality in which we handed Slater and Whiteman 100 first team appearances in order to make them the players they are today?

If there is, that reality would be unlikely to have seen two promotions to the PL.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Is there a parallel reality in which we handed Slater and Whiteman 100 first team appearances in order to make them the players they are today?

If there is, that reality would be unlikely to have seen two promotions to the PL.

They'd be accusing the management/club of bladey bladeness in that situation too

 

[UddersBlade]

Don't think Regans dad will be too enthusiastic!

Agreed - I seriously doubt this rumour whilst Wilder is Manager. This is more like his Agent stimulating interest.

 

[10p]

Isn’t he our youngest ever goal scorer?

 

[Silent Blade]

Isn’t he our youngest ever goal scorer?

Simon Stainrod v Norwich away in April 1976

 

[dellasthunderbolt]

Isn’t he our youngest ever goal scorer?

Yep - in the league trophy thing from the league one years

 

[Blademan89]

Well, if you're going to sign an average players you want them to:

Be available
Be fit
Be a decent age
Be versatile
Want to play for the club
Be available on a free or cheap

And he's all of those

He'd be an excellent pickup

He'd be fine for squad depth and back up (bench fodder) someone that is available to play 1 or 2 games here or there to cover injuries and suspensions, if the money side things is good for us.

Hes a step up from matos.

 

[10-0 win]

Next season Will be different wagewise, make sense getting him as we'll need a reshape and sadly a clear out due to first season since 2019 without PL money.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Not really keen on ex players returning

BUT

He's an upgrade on Matos and Shackleton.

Davies, Soumare, Phillips leaving aswell.

 

[RossingtonBlade]

Don’t be surprised if we get him in the summer with parachute payments coming to an end.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Don’t be surprised if we get him in the summer with parachute payments coming to an end.

Considering hull have a years option I would be surprised

 

[UddersBlade]

Considering hull have a years option I would be surprised

No chance he comes here while Wilder is here…… this is all from his agent trying to stimulate interest.

 

[RossingtonBlade]

No chance he comes here while Wilder is here…… this is all from his agent trying to stimulate interest.

I have a close contact to his dad who says we are interested but none of us think it is a good move. He’s a bottom end championship player.

 

[Wireblade]

They'd be accusing the management/club of bladey bladeness in that situation too

And the same people who say he doesn’t give youth a chance will turn on those not quite ready yet (ie Arblasters return to fitness).
In his first spell I did question Wilders reluctance to use youth players, but actually how many of those have gone on to have careers above our level? His management of youth this time around has been fine as far as I can see.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

He’s crap

 

[jt64]

He'd be fine for squad depth and back up (bench fodder) someone that is available to play 1 or 2 games here or there to cover injuries and suspensions, if the money side things is good for us.

He's an established Championship player who'll be hitting 27 early next season. Why do you think the money side would ever be good in that situation for someone who you are openly calling not good enough, and at his age, will have already hit his peak in terms of development?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

And the same people who say he doesn’t give youth a chance will turn on those not quite ready yet (ie Arblasters return to fitness).
In his first spell I did question Wilders reluctance to use youth players, but actually how many of those have gone on to have careers above our level? His management of youth this time around has been fine as far as I can see.

Only Ndiaye really but whispers that was partly a contractual situation

 

[Blademan89]

He's an established Championship player who'll be hitting 27 early next season. Why do you think the money side would ever be good in that situation for someone who you are openly calling not good enough, and at his age, will have already hit his peak in terms of development?

Hes not a top end stand out chamionship player, he went to hull 6 years ago from scunthorpe... what makes you think hes on a lot of money? If hes free agent hes in even less money.

Where did I say he wasnt good enough? I said he would be perfectly fine as back up and sqaud player for us.

 

[jt64]

Hes not a top end stand out chamionship player, he went to hull 6 years ago from scunthorpe... what makes you think hes on a lot of money? If hes free agent hes in even less money.

Where did I say he wasnt good enough? I said he would be perfectly fine as back up and sqaud player for us.

a) He has been in the Championship for nearly half a decade. That track record comes at a price. Saying he would be a free agent is nonsense, as free agents typically require higher wages as there is no transfer fee involved and they can pick their club without any interference from who owns the player's registration, so the overall cost to SUFC is rarely cheaper
b) You say he is not good enough immediately after where you ask where you said he was not good enough. A back up/squad player at his age is not good enough to start by definition, and has limited to zero runway to progress to be a starter. Anyone in that sort of squad position who is going to be wanting decent Championship wages is a waste of money. Any player who is 5+ years younger who is either in our development system already, or can be brought in, would not offer any significant drop off in performance for when he is actually needed and come at a fraction of the price, with infinitely more upside

Note I speak as someone who didn't want to offload Slater in the first place. I like him as a player. I would make this argument if there was a carbon copy of the player who had spent their years bouncing around Preston and Blackburn and had no history with us. Spending more money than you need to on a player you're not going to use when you don't have a lot of it is horrific business.