Referee Inconsistency

[FallowfieldBlade]

The rules say, ball and hand, intentional or not, is a penalty.

No they don’t they definitely don’t

 

[stringer]

Where did I say can't?

Here

VAR can overrule a goal and a penalty award but not a non penalty award.

 

[stringer]

That's because Premier League VAR is crap.

The league has hamstrung itself with the incredibly ref friendly clear and obvious rule.

The bar is so high, like Ward-Prowse against us, he was popping and locking in the box, his arm was nowhere near his body but it was in a crowd and the ref didn't see it, VAR agreed it wasn't clear and obvious from a referee on the pitch perspective, rather than a 8 camera angles, slow mo perspective, which is the perspective they should be using with VAR.

The handball rules don't help, but VAR should be 'offence/no offence', there shouldn't be any room for interpretation.

I'd rather wait 3 minutes and add it on and get the correct decision, with the ref using the screen at the side of the pitch (which you wouldn't know was in the PL, because they discourage it) than have a "quick" 50 second review that's wrong.

They're discouraging correct decisions. So what's the point of it?

How can you referee football with no room for interpretation? It’s not possible at all

 

[bromtom]

How can you referee football with no room for interpretation? It’s not possible at all

"VAR should be 'offence/no offence', there shouldn't be any room for interpretation."

VAR, not the on pitch referee.

They should say it is or it isn't, not "it might not be so let's leave it"

Mistaken identity, offside, penalties. What's the point in having it if the people with the superior views and the ability to say yes or no have less power than the bloke who's not seen it?

 

[Silent Blade]

No they don’t they definitely don’t

Here

See link below. I am still confused because in CL if a defender handles the ball accidently, then it is a handball (as seen in the PSG v Man U and Liverpool v Spurs game last season and Chelsea v Valencia this season) but not in PL.

Manchester City call for change as De Bruyne says he ‘can’t understand’ new handball rule

Aymeric Laporte was punished for the ball hitting his arm that chalked off Gabriel Jesus’ potential match-winner against Tottenham due to a VAR review

www.independent.co.uk

 

[stringer]

See link below. I am still confused because in CL if a defender handles the ball accidently, then it is a handball (as seen in the PSG v Man U and Liverpool v Spurs game last season and Chelsea v Valencia this season) but not in PL.

Manchester City call for change as De Bruyne says he ‘can’t understand’ new handball rule

Aymeric Laporte was punished for the ball hitting his arm that chalked off Gabriel Jesus’ potential match-winner against Tottenham due to a VAR review

www.independent.co.uk

They’re different competitions with different interpretations of the handball law. The ‘handball’ in the Champions League final was a joke of a decision and would never be given in the PL. And rightly so

 

[Trigger Blade]

over turbaned

The Sikh community will surely have something to say about that

 

[stringer]

"VAR should be 'offence/no offence', there shouldn't be any room for interpretation."

VAR, not the on pitch referee.

They should say it is or it isn't, not "it might not be so let's leave it"

Mistaken identity, offside, penalties. What's the point in having it if the people with the superior views and the ability to say yes or no have less power than the bloke who's not seen it?

What do you think the R stands for in VAR?
What about penalties do you think VAR should be allowed to judge?
Football is subjective. Did you hear the amount of people chanting ‘chest’ at Mo Salah on Saturday when John Fleck trod on his arm? Look at how many people disagreed over Sharp’s red against So’ton.
And the bloke with the superior views has as much, if not more, power than the on-field ref. Whether they’re using them or not is a legitimate debate but they are there.

 

[Silent Blade]

They’re different competitions with different interpretations of the handball law. The ‘handball’ in the Champions League final was a joke of a decision and would never be given in the PL. And rightly so

So is this confirmation that PL and CL handball rules are different? Not seen confirmation of this anywhere. Agree with you about the CL final decision. It was the same for PSG v Man U last season and Chelsea v Valencia this season (did you see them?) as both were definitely "more accidental" than Ward-Prowse against us.

 

[stringer]

So is this confirmation that PL and CL handball rules are different? Not seen confirmation of this anywhere. Agree with you about the CL final decision. It was the same for PSG v Man U last season and Chelsea v Valencia this season (did you see them?) as both were definitely "more accidental" than Ward-Prowse against us.

The rules aren’t different, the interpretations of them are. But as United are in the Premier League only for now, the CL rules aren’t really relevant just yet

 

[BushBlade]

So is this confirmation that PL and CL handball rules are different? Not seen confirmation of this anywhere. Agree with you about the CL final decision. It was the same for PSG v Man U last season and Chelsea v Valencia this season (did you see them?) as both were definitely "more accidental" than Ward-Prowse against us.

They keep reviewing and changing the interpretation. The aim is to try to make it less subjective and more factual but the more they try, the more daft decisions they end up with.
Refs have always interpreted the laws slightly differently in the CL and PL, they tend to penalise high boots more in the CL, for example. Just as the championship is reffed slightly differently to the PL.

A cynic would say they’re either trying to make it so ambiguous a ref can never be ‘wrong’ or that their egos are so big they can’t actually handle being told what to do by another ref, they don’t want VAR and they’re trying to make it fail.

 

[Silent Blade]

The rules aren’t different, the interpretations of them are. But as United are in the Premier League only for now, the CL rules aren’t really relevant just yet

True. I was annoyed that VAR didn't give us the penalty for Ward-Prowse's handball but now I have calmed down since after seeing that other PL clubs weren't given penalties by VAR. Who will be the first PL club this season to be given a penalty by VAR, we will have to wait and see.

 

[Silent Blade]

They keep reviewing and changing the interpretation. The aim is to try to make it less subjective and more factual but the more they try, the more daft decisions they end up with.
Refs have always interpreted the laws slightly differently in the CL and PL, they tend to penalise high boots more in the CL, for example. Just as the championship is reffed slightly differently to the PL.

A cynic would say they’re either trying to make it so ambiguous a ref can never be ‘wrong’ or that their egos are so big they can’t actually handle being told what to do by another ref, they don’t want VAR and they’re trying to make it fail.

Wouldn't surprise me if the FIFA or UEFA will be disappointed with the PL over their VAR review system especially the non penalty decisions.

 

[BushBlade]

Wouldn't surprise me if the FIFA or UEFA will be disappointed with the PL over their VAR review system especially the non penalty decisions.

Apparently they’ve already raised it. I half heard something on the radio about it and I don’t know if it’s been resolved.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

See link below. I am still confused because in CL if a defender handles the ball accidently, then it is a handball (as seen in the PSG v Man U and Liverpool v Spurs game last season and Chelsea v Valencia this season) but not in PL.

Manchester City call for change as De Bruyne says he ‘can’t understand’ new handball rule

Aymeric Laporte was punished for the ball hitting his arm that chalked off Gabriel Jesus’ potential match-winner against Tottenham due to a VAR review

www.independent.co.uk

The rule is if the arm is in an un-natural position outside of there body shape I think which is daft.

The handball in the champions league final was ridiculous as well.

None of this matters though cause the prem use it completely different

Not one refereeing decision has been overturned other than offsides

 

[stringer]

Will VAR give a penalty this weekend or October 5th weekend? Watch this space!

October 26th.

 

[blade too long]

Talking of VAR
Man city's second given as a touch from Silva .
However this puts a player in an offside position between him and keeper
Mc Burnies was ruled out v saints because of said player . Man City was given the goal . Again inconsistency.
Can't rule one out saying goal keeper could be distracted then say no not really
The city player was in line of the shot too

 

[Silent Blade]

October 26th.

Thought about you when I watched MOTD after coming back from London late last night. It happened during Brighton v Everton match. MOTD say that Man City's claim for a penalty for the same reason at Bournemouth earlier this season (footage of the incident was shown) was turned down and I believe that the ref and VAR team are realising that they have been turning down too many penalty claims.

We still havent seen PL VAR giving penalties for handballs since the new handball rules were made earlier this year and will it happen between now and the end of the season? If it does happen, then I will be disappointed about us not getting the penalty against Southampton.

 

[Stanthemanfan]

Talking of VAR
Man city's second given as a touch from Silva .
However this puts a player in an offside position between him and keeper
Mc Burnies was ruled out v saints because of said player . Man City was given the goal . Again inconsistency.
Can't rule one out saying goal keeper could be distracted then say no not really
The city player was in line of the shot too

The keeper doesn't dive till the ball passed Stirling cos he can't see it, ridiculous!

 

[Sharp as a blade]

They're making such a mess of good technology with their own implementation.

• The city goal should have been ruled out.
• Brightons penalty shouldn't have been given.

I don't understand how they have set the bar so high for decisions and when they do finally go against the referee, they still get it wrong.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

There is so much that football could learn from rugby union & the way it is policed.

Stop the clock. Injury time in football is nonsense.

Back-chat. Yellow card.

Referees. Mic them up. Let the audience into what's going on.

Video assistant referee. What on earth are football doing with this?

 

[Silent Blade]

October 26th.

Arsenal v Palace and two in Norwich v Man U. All today

Just like you wait ages for one bus, then four come along at once!

PL VAR and refs must have had a meeting last week and agreeing that they have been turning down too many penalty claims.

 

[Punk Blade]

Arsenal v Palace and two in Norwich v Man U. All today

Just like you wait ages for one bus, then four come along at once!

PL VAR and refs must have had a meeting last week and agreeing that they have been turning down too many penalty claims.

And one of them a handball!

I think we can put this ‘VAR can’t/won’t give penalties’ nonsense to bed now.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

And one of them a handball!

I think we can put this ‘VAR can’t/won’t give penalties’ nonsense to bed now.

It was nonsense before this weekend


They’ve deffo been told to actually give decisions now the so called bar has been lowered which is good.

 

[Silent Blade]

I think we can put this ‘VAR can’t/won’t give penalties’ nonsense to bed now.

PL VAR and refs must have had a meeting last week and agreeing that they have been turning down too many penalty claims.

 

[Pierre's PC]

Until VAR decisions can be taken out of the hands of humans, there will always be an individuals interpretation at play.

It may be risking Skynet but AI is the only way to take guesswork out of decisions.

 

[Punk Blade]

It was nonsense before this weekend

I know, I’m one of those who have been telling Silent for weeks.

 

[gordoncharles]

It was nonsense before this weekend


They’ve deffo been told to actually give decisions now the so called bar has been lowered which is good.

Yes, they're now giving non-existent penalties and disallowing perfectly good goals. What entertainment! What talking points!

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Yes, they're now giving non-existent penalties and disallowing perfectly good goals. What entertainment! What talking points!

Wrong

The arsenal goal is a clear foul on chambers he’s running to block the ball and is legged over.


Can’t have it both ways moan when they don’t give penalties then moan when they do

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I know, I’m one of those who have been telling Silent for weeks.

Think they’ve realized that they’ve actually gotta to stop been bottlejobs

Didn’t overturn one decision in the space of three month then changes 5 in a day.

VAR is bullshit but at least there using it properly now