Referee Inconsistency

[stringer]

Burnley should have had a penalty against Norwich on Saturday also Villa should have had a penalty v Arsenal. In the PL this season so far, VAR still have not made the ref revert his decision to a penalty. VAR reviews are different in the CL as VAR made the ref change his mind and awarded a penalty against Valencia for handball

Still saying VAR can’t give them?

 

[Silent Blade]

Still saying VAR can’t give them?

It has in the CL this season but not yet so far in the PL

 

[KeyffSmyff]

The principle of VAR is sound, correct decisions deciding games. I don't think that this format of it will deliver without loads of evolutionary steps. They are currently too concerned about the PR and the refs public image. Balance between speed of the game and 'justice' on the pitch needs to be considered once there have been more games and it all settles down.
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[Punk Blade]

Burnley should have had a penalty against Norwich on Saturday also Villa should have had a penalty v Arsenal. In the PL this season so far, VAR still have not made the ref revert his decision to a penalty. VAR reviews are different in the CL as VAR made the ref change his mind and awarded a penalty against Valencia for handball

Are we going to get a running commentary on every incident that doesn't result in a penalty that you think should have?

 

[Silent Blade]

Are we going to get a running commentary on every incident that doesn't result in a penalty that you think should have?

Will VAR give a penalty this weekend or October 5th weekend? Watch this space!

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Poor OP, they're all shit.

 

[1889]

Ok, lets see what's happens for the rest of the season. Think it is best that we follow the CL VAR review system

I believe, the discussion you referred to on MOTD, followed Man City’s disallowed goal, after some minor innocuous glance off a Man City players arm or hand in the build up.

I interpreted what they said afterwards as, the guidance states that, if an attacking player touches the ball with his arm or hand irrespective of circumstances and it leads to a goal, then the VAR will always disallow it. However, if a defender touches the ball in the box with his arm or hand in exactly the same circumstances, it is not automatically a penalty.

So basically, it’s one rule for the attacking team and another for the defending team.

I believe that the VAR can review penalty claims, overrule the ref and award penalties for handball. Otherwise, why bother to ask the VAR to review the Ward-Prowse incident against Southampton, if overruling the referee is not within their remit?

 

[Silent Blade]

I believe that the VAR can review penalty claims, overrule the ref and award penalties for handball.

Yes, it has happened in the CL this season (Chelsea v Valencia is an example) but not in the PL so far this season because the refs seem not to be adhering to the new handball ruling "It is a handball if a player's hand or arm has made their body "unnaturally bigger" whether it is accidental or not"

 

[Davalon]

The law makers aren't helping at all imho but we're also scrutinising every decision from umpteen angles at every speed.

There are a numbers of refs in the professional game I'm not a fan of, and they need to stand up to a required level, but I also think there needs to be greater responsibility on players and managers.

We see multiple attempts to con and cheat every week where the criticism of the ref for missing it is disproportionate to the perpetrator.

Bigger clubs put more and more pressure on refs both during and away from the match.

Alex Ferguson was an utter disgrace imho in his treatment of officials but it too often worked.

In fairness the current crop of top 6 managers aren't as bad as others from the recent past in this regard but the players are.

It's not just the refs that are responsible for making sure we have more accurate decisions during games.

 

[Silent Blade]

Still saying VAR can’t give them?

Are we going to get a running commentary on every incident that doesn't result in a penalty that you think should have?

Refs missed blatant penalties for Bournemouth and Wolves today. Again, VAR didnt give them penalties

 

[diplomat]

Refs missed blatant penalties for Bournemouth and Wolves today. Again, VAR didnt give them penalties

And possibly one for Liverpool according to sky (Lundstrum on Mane) but MOTD and to be fair, Mane, both brushed it off. I don’t think it was even reviewed.

 

[Wapping Blade]

And possibly one for Liverpool according to sky (Lundstrum on Mane) but MOTD and to be fair, Mane, both brushed it off. I don’t think it was even reviewed.

I think it was as the ref had his hand to his earpiece straight after.

 

[boss hog]

What I've noticed is against the so called big clubs Chelsea and liverpool yesterday is any fifty fifty if in doubt give it to the big club, quite a few throw ins and corners went their way yesterday for no other reason than its liverpool.

 

[stringer]

Refs missed blatant penalties for Bournemouth and Wolves today. Again, VAR didnt give them penalties

Once again, you said VAR can’t give penalties. You’re wrong.

 

[spongebobblade]

Refs missed blatant penalties for Bournemouth and Wolves today. Again, VAR didnt give them penalties

Haven’t seen the Wolves one but the Bournemouth one where Ryan Cresswell all but rugby tackles Josh King in the box is baffling. Until we start using pitchside monitors the officials at Stockley Park are always going to be accused of simply backing each other up. As for the MOTD teams explanation that it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other is just laughable. Do they really think we are so stupid?

 

[Silent Blade]

Once again, you said VAR can’t give penalties. You’re wrong.

Any evidence in this season's PL that VAR have given penalties?

 

[Melbourne Blade]

Yesterday's ref was quite fair tbh. The mane tackle could easily have been given had it not been for var but the Ref was pretty confident he'd crossed it before contact as shown in the replays

 

[stringer]

Any evidence in this season's PL that VAR have given penalties?

No, but to be clear you’re saying they CAN’T not HAVEN’T - do you stick by that?

 

[Silent Blade]

No, but to be clear you’re saying they CAN’T not HAVEN’T - do you stick by that?

Where did I say can't?

It is obvious that there are some differences in VAR reviews for CL and PL matches. I dont watch much CL matches on tv but VAR did give penalties in last season matches (for example PSG v Man U and Liverpool v Spurs) and another one I saw this season (Chelsea v Valencia)

 

[Eyeball]

Haven’t seen the Wolves one but the Bournemouth one where Ryan Cresswell all but rugby tackles Josh King in the box is baffling. Until we start using pitchside monitors the officials at Stockley Park are always going to be accused of simply backing each other up. As for the MOTD teams explanation that it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other is just laughable. Do they really think we are so stupid?

They didn’t show all of the footage
Both players were pulling each other shirts so it WAS 6 and half a dozen!!
Doesn’t mean the pen shouldn’t have been given though

 

[spongebobblade]

They didn’t show all of the footage
Both players were pulling each other shirts so it WAS 6 and half a dozen!!
Doesn’t mean the pen shouldn’t have been given though

Josh King had hold of the top of Cresswells sleeve whereas Cresswell looked like he was trying to take the shirt off his back and had started to do so way before King started. More like 6 of one and a dozen of the other in my opinion! Still a penalty all day long for me. The ref (Atwell? .... enough said) was looking directly at it all the time. What on earth was he thinking?

 

[Punk Blade]

Where did I say can't?

VAR can overrule a goal and a penalty award but not a non penalty award. Had Mason pointed to the penalty spot then VAR would have supported him. The new handball rules state that it is a handball if "a player's hand or arm has made their body "unnaturally bigger" whether accidental or not"

Yes, it is true, I only found out on Saturday night. Yes, the VAR check before we took the corner was pointless.

Ref at Chelsea match tonight didnt award a penalty for a handball similar to Ward-Prowse's last Saturday but VAR made the ref review it and then he awarded Chelsea a penalty. It is a pity the PL doesnt allow the same thing.

Dont you agree the handball in Chelsea's match tonight is very similar to Ward-Prowse's last Saturday? The ref didnt award a penalty until VAR told him to review it and then he changed his decision. It is a pity that the PL doesnt allow the same thing.

 

[Silent Blade]

Fair enough, but I got the quotes from MOTD two weeks ago (remember I rely on subtitles when watching the MOTD pundits discussions and the subtitles arent always accurate). Dont you agree that VAR does give penalties in CL but not in PL so far this season?

We all await for the first time in the PL this season that VAR gives a penalty.

 

[bromtom]

Fair enough, but I got the quotes from MOTD two weeks ago (remember I rely on subtitles when watching the MOTD pundits discussions and the subtitles arent always accurate). Dont you agree that VAR does give penalties in CL but not in PL so far this season?

We all await for the first time in the PL this season that VAR gives a penalty.

That's because Premier League VAR is crap.

The league has hamstrung itself with the incredibly ref friendly clear and obvious rule.

The bar is so high, like Ward-Prowse against us, he was popping and locking in the box, his arm was nowhere near his body but it was in a crowd and the ref didn't see it, VAR agreed it wasn't clear and obvious from a referee on the pitch perspective, rather than a 8 camera angles, slow mo perspective, which is the perspective they should be using with VAR.

The handball rules don't help, but VAR should be 'offence/no offence', there shouldn't be any room for interpretation.

I'd rather wait 3 minutes and add it on and get the correct decision, with the ref using the screen at the side of the pitch (which you wouldn't know was in the PL, because they discourage it) than have a "quick" 50 second review that's wrong.

They're discouraging correct decisions. So what's the point of it?

 

[Silent Blade]

Not seen the incident on tv but I learn that Man U should have had a penalty for handball in tonight's match.........

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Not seen the incident on tv but I learn that Man U should have had a penalty for handball in tonight's match.........

Was a handball but wasn’t a stonewall never gonna be over turbaned and shouldn’t for 50/50 decisions.

But ones like the one against Southampton

And dare I say the lundstram tackle on mane that was a stonewall should be overturned otherwise there’s literally no point at all I’m using VAR

 

[Silent Blade]

Was a handball but wasn’t a stonewall never gonna be over turbaned and shouldn’t for 50/50 decisions.

But ones like the one against Southampton

And dare I say the lundstram tackle on mane that was a stonewall should be overturned otherwise there’s literally no point at all I’m using VAR

In CL matches VAR gives it a penalty, that is the difference between CL and PL VAR reviews for non penalty decisions.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

In CL matches VAR gives it a penalty, that is the difference between CL and PL VAR reviews for non penalty decisions.

Agreed just give the penalty if it’s a penalty instead of this threshold BS.

There’d be more goals which means more entertainment

 

[Silent Blade]

Agreed just give the penalty if it’s a penalty instead of this threshold BS.

There’d be more goals which means more entertainment

The rules say, ball and hand, intentional or not, is a penalty.

 

[gordoncharles]

I'd rather wait 3 minutes and add it on and get the correct decision, w

I wouldn't. If it takes 3 minutes there's too much room for doubt.

No VAR decision should take more than 10 seconds onscreen, otherwise it defaults to what the referee gave.