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If we get to the Premier League again I think we should completely re-build our Kop, i would have a 14,900 main area, with 3,900 seats raised at the back making space for a new supporters group to create an atmosphere. I would also put in a corner stand between Kop and JS Stand holding about 600. The last bit would be to add another 2,400 seats between S/Stand and Kop making the total Kop capacity 15,500 with a 2,400 corner stand. Also with no annoying pillars. The Kop rarely sells out because of the awful views in some parts and the atmosphere has dampened in the last few years. Just my opinion.
 



Some good ideas there, but only remotely affordable and sensible once established in the premiership.

Learn to love those pillars....:)

UTB
 
The kop is very poor - and at odds with rest of the ground which is really good now. The kop looks like a non league stand from the outside and the kop / South Stand corner desperately needs filling in. I moved to the Family Stand a while ago & it's far superior.
 
Deano said:
The kop is very poor - and at odds with rest of the ground which is really good now. The kop looks like a non league stand from the outside and the kop / South Stand corner desperately needs filling in. I moved to the Family Stand a while ago & it's far superior.
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I'd agree in many respects, but however they tart is up, it will remain lots of slabs of pastic fixed onto a slab of concrete, with a roof on, facing the pitch. It's certainly not worth breaking the bank (further) for.

UTB
 
I think it looks just fine from the outside. It does need to be steeper though as I can never see the 6 yard box when everyone stands up. The pillars of course could do with being removed aswell.
 
Hopefully when the time comes to re build the kop that idiot McCabe will remember it is a football ground and fill in the south east corner with seats rather than another office block which will remain unused until we upgrade the police control room or some other such crap.
I agree the kop is the worst view in he ground with piss poor facilities and needs flattening, the rake was for standing and is not steep enough for seats if you are more than half way up you struggle to see the goal at all even when you are stood.
Personally I'd flatten all the ground and start again.
 
Bladeforlife said:
If we get to the Premier League again I think we should completely re-build our Kop, i would have a 14,900 main area, with 3,900 seats raised at the back making space for a new supporters group to create an atmosphere. I would also put in a corner stand between Kop and JS Stand holding about 600. The last bit would be to add another 2,400 seats between S/Stand and Kop making the total Kop capacity 15,500 with a 2,400 corner stand. Also with no annoying pillars. The Kop rarely sells out because of the awful views in some parts and the atmosphere has dampened in the last few years. Just my opinion.
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What a strange post. Either you've studied in-depth exactly how many seats the area could accommodate or you've plucked some crazy numbers out of thin air. Why 14,900? Why not 15,000? Not having a pop or anything, just wondered where the numbers came from.

For what it's worth, I love my view from the Kop but hate the lack of leg room. The row I sit on FF, is even smaller than the rest. You can see where they've tried to make up for the concrete base part being shallower than other rows by sticking bits of metal to the seat fixings to make them project more. It really doesn't work. As I believe the Internet dwellers say, Epic fail!
 
I thought of putting 15,000 in but then for the entrances to the stand from inside would mean not having full rows of seats, so iguessed that you'd have to take about 100 seats out for that?
 
Considering that for most of the past five seasons the only times we've come anywhere near selling the ground out have been for the pig matches and last Saturday there's as much need for redeveloping the Kop as there is for paving the car park with myrrh.

Until there's a team that attracts regular 30k+ crowds then there's no point in building anything extra to house more swathes of empty seats. Build the team first, and then people will want to watch it. At ten quid a pop and a quid for kids against Stevenage we didn't sell the ground out with the possibility of promotion hanging in the air, so cheap tickets doesn't seem to be the answer.

Build a successful team first. Then get the ground altered. The Kop rarely sells out not because of the views, but because of what the views offer.
 
metalblade said:
Hopefully when the time comes to re build the kop that idiot McCabe will remember it is a football ground and fill in the south east corner with seats rather than another office block which will remain unused until we upgrade the police control room or some other such crap.
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Care to elaborate on why you describe Mr.McCabe as an idiot?

I suppose it takes one to know one...
 
I think it was all part of the world cup bid.
Pleased England did not get the nod though because they quoted Sheffield swillborough. They since admitted they had no idea how they would have funded it.
Mc Cabe however and United was private. Actually thats probably why England did not get the nod because the choice of grounds was pathetic.
 



shorehamview said:
At ten quid a pop and a quid for kids against Stevenage we didn't sell the ground out with the possibility of promotion hanging in the air, so cheap tickets doesn't seem to be the answer.
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I agree with the overall sentiment, but the website declared "sold out" the day before the match.

Cheap tickets are the answer to selling the seats, it's just that selling the seats isn't simply the anwser to revenue and hence success. Giving a product away has always been fairly easy (not that that was your point).

UTB
 
Before re-building the kop ................. i would re-build the team ! :eek:
 
Pedro Verde said:
I think that would be quite impossible.
Whats wrong with the other 3 sides of the ground
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It would be impossible to upgrade/increase capacity at the Lane end or on the John St side any upgrade to the Kop or south stands would make the ground look lop sided and a bit of a mess
 
I agree the team and not ground should take priority in the unlikely event that McCabe decided to dip into his vast fortune. But in terms of the kop it's not a ground capacity issue for me, it's the fact that it is cheap, outdated and provides little comfort for the fans. Ideally it would have a covered concourse underneath, it wouldn't have pillars and it would be re-designed on the outside because from Shoreham Street it looks like a non-league stand that holds about 1,000. Apart from the kop and the unfilled corner, I think the rest of the ground is really good - and far superior to that rusting sh!t-hole in S6.
 
Got to agree we need a team before the ground while the rest is ok 2 sides have no room for expansion, but the Kop is very very poor, eating and drinking exposed to the elements disgusting toilets poor access poor view just crap by modern day standards
 
metalblade said:
If you don't know then you are the bigger idiot...................... silly old fart !!!
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I've given your post some thought and I think I'm beginning to understand why you say McCabe is an idiot.

Since 1995 he has apparently spent £100 million on Sheffield United. What an idiot!
 
broomhillblade said:
I've given your post some thought and I think I'm beginning to understand why you say McCabe is an idiot.

Since 1995 he has apparently spent £100 million on Sheffield United. What an idiot!
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Ahh the penny has dropped, all that cash and we are now in a lower division than when he started. Good job he knows about property development as his football knowledge don't look too clever.
 
metalblade said:
It would be impossible to upgrade/increase capacity at the Lane end or on the John St side any upgrade to the Kop or south stands would make the ground look lop sided and a bit of a mess
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The only way to upgrade John St would be to move/remove the actual road/build a tunnel and build on the opposite side of the road.

Ditto with the BL end (a much harder proposition due to the volume of traffic)
 
metalblade said:
Ahh the penny has dropped, all that cash and we are now in a lower division than when he started. Good job he knows about property development as his football knowledge don't look too clever.
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My sarcasm is clearly wasted on you.
 
Get consistently over 75% capacity for 2-4 seasons and it'd be worth rebuilding.

The roof should be rebuilt/ cantilevered to remove the pillars if we got promoted to the PL
 
SwissBlade said:
Get consistently over 75% capacity for 2-4 seasons and it'd be worth rebuilding.

The roof should be rebuilt/ cantilevered to remove the pillars if we got promoted to the PL
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I suspect that the foundations (ie that big pile of rubble!) won't allow for cantilevering, which puts the stress of the weight through the back of the roof. Currently, the weight of the roof is supported by the pillars near the front of the stand so the only way to remove the pillars would be to rebuild the stand...which should be next on the list of ground improvements anyway.
 
Balham Blade said:
I suspect that the foundations (ie that big pile of rubble!) won't allow for cantilevering, which puts the stress of the weight through the back of the roof. Currently, the weight of the roof is supported by the pillars near the front of the stand so the only way to remove the pillars would be to rebuild the stand...which should be next on the list of ground improvements anyway.
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The foundations are fine BB. The reason the posts were added was down to Reg Brealey (remember him?) deciding to save £100,000 on the construction costs. So each post saved United £25ko_O
 



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