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I was expecting most the ground to empty after the second. There is no hope with officiating like that from Atwell and those linesmen.

Had we got a goal back he would have probably gone to VAR to rule it out for something trivial. The tone for the match was set early on.

Wasn’t Attwell the fucking idiot that gave that goal that went about 5 yards wide about 10 years ago. The man is clearly a retard.
 



It’s a game of instinct, reactions and split-seconds. If a linesman flags, the ref needs to understand that players will automatically react. If the Lino shouldn’t have flagged, then dish out the repository bollocking after the fact, but stop the fucking game. If they suddenly made traffic lights the opposite way round, a leaflet through my door and a 2 hour workshop isn’t going to overwrite 20 years of driving habits, and stop me accelerating into oncoming traffic when the light goes green, but really it’s red.
Mao did the traffic light thing in Communist China...lots of motorists got hurt.
Also, not all the lights were changed to the new system causing inconsistencies - Referees and their implementation of VAR are comparable to chaotic traffic control systems in Mao’s China...neither will have a satisfying outcome
 
Who'd have thought of teams parking the bus in the premier league against us tho 🤔
Just goes to show that they're shit scared of Wilders Mighty blades.

And so they should be tbf but it was obvious as soon as that first goal went in we didn’t stand a chance of getting back into it.

It was one of those rare occasions where we didn’t seem to be covering even when attempting the overloads which shows just how deep they sat tbh.
 
I was expecting most the ground to empty after the second. There is no hope with officiating like that from Atwell and those linesmen.

Had we got a goal back he would have probably gone to VAR to rule it out for something trivial. The tone for the match was set early on.

He was hopeless tonight, I must admit. I was very optimistic pre match, the as soon as they scored their first, it all seemed to go against us, and I thought nah, won't happen for us. And I am not normally like that.
 
Games fucking gone and as Wilder said soul sucked out of players, fans and the game as a whole.
We can blame VAR all night but it's the linesman who got it wrong ,its ok to play to the whistle unfortunately its instinct to react to a flag and that's what happened. Keep his flag down and its 1 on 1 with Hendo who's to say he wouldn't have saved it.
Wilder got it right ! the ref blew twice for offside very quickly later in the game if he 'd done so earlier the situation wouldnt have happened .Ok he was' nt offside and a goal maybe would have been chalked off but all this leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
What also bugs me is it was a token gesture from Shelvey who new the flag had gone up and was just wasting time by carrying the ball and rolling it in the net .
The game died at that point , thankyou linesman and Atwell (ref ) .
Things have to change , match officials are not up to the job.
 
Atwell had a couple of famous clangers - but the Watford vs. Reading phantom goal was and always will be a testament to his incompetence.
 
He’ll face no interviews, his boss will defend him and him and his team will be free to fuck up as much as they want. Might get a Championship game one week as punishment.

That is usually the way.
 
Fans leaving the ground with more than 10 minutes left? Why??


I went 15 minutes before, the VAR was the final straw and all I was doing was swearing constantly and showing myself up, so I decided to beat the traffic and get the lad home cause he’s got college in the morning, the game was gone and it made sense.

The pulsating end to end stuff of the last 10 mins must have been a treat on your eyes, but I couldn’t take the chance that I’d waste my time watching players con the ref for the full 90+ as well as watch the away end celebrate a fucking big con job from start to finish..

Is that a good enough explanation ?
 



Games gone that’s why and I don’t mean that particular 90 minutes of football, I mean the game as an actual entity is completely fucked if VAR is the future in this format.


Exactly how i felt. I could barely watch. It sounds stupid but i felt like my heart had been ripped out. Just kept saying "whats the f'in point"

As you say i felt like the game as we know it had gone.

Accept it was onside.
Accept ref signslled to play on
But the linesman was still stood with the flag up when the kid scored.
Theres no longer an point in lineman looking for offside.

Anyway on to Norwich.
 

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I agree generally Silent Blade, but I think a lot of the early leavers were reacting to the nature of the goal.

I said real time it wasn't offside, however, I'd be lying if I said I watched the game with anything like the usual concentration or feeling after that clusterfuck.

The arsing about is killing the game.
however, I'd be lying if I said I watched the game with anything like the usual concentration or feeling after that clusterfuck.

100% this mate.
 
I actually think it’s quite telling that tonight is the first time I’ve ever left the ground early. Not at 4-0 down v Scunthorpe, not at 4-1 down v Shrewsbury, not at 3-0 down v Flewtwood, not at 3-0 down v Southend.

Tonight was the only game I’ve sat there and gone ‘nah fuck it I’ve had enough’. Tonight I’ve sat and watched a team play as though they are a league one side hoofing the ball to the big twat up front and look to get a goal. I’ve seen a team time waste at 0-0 and continue to feign injury and watch the referee not do a damn thing about it.

Then after all that and the countless fucking guesswork of the referee, they make a total fucking cock up of epic proportions. I’ve watched officials blatantly go against the instruction that we’ve all been told they’ve been given. They didn’t have the first clue how to deal with the game tonight. They’ve made it up as they’ve gone along. I physically could not watch a single second more of that mess of a game.

This is the Premier League for fucks sake. Supposedly the best league in the world and it’s completely broken.

It's hard to argue with any of that. We keep hearing that 'VAR is here to stay', but is it? In four short months, we've gone to the stage where the MoTD pundits discuss VAR more than the actual match. These same pundits - and managers - should be demanding that VAR is scrapped with immediate effect.

Where's the value in a fan paying over the odds for a ticket, putting up with daft kick-off times and shitty weather when you can stay at home (or the pub) and watch the match? You could watch in the pub, go for a piss, miss a 'goal' and find out the outcome as quickly as somebody who's actually at the match. Last season, your team scored, you glanced at the lino and - if his flag was raised - it's no goal. Disappointing, but you immediately move on. No endless studio post-mortems.

No matter how much the gravelly-voiced TV talkover says 'Fabulous Friday', 'Super Saturday' etc., the writing is on the wall. Last week, a local derby (Burnley v Man. City) got a crowd of just 20,101. Some poor team will be consigned to relegation thanks to VAR but - if it's Southampton, Norwich - or the Blades - the 'powers-that-be' won't give a fuck as long as the chosen few are safe. And that's the true reason behind VAR. It makes the playing field even less level than before.

So how will the 'authorities' react to the universal condemnation of this mad, failed experiment? Probably by extending it to the Championship next season. Something is deeply suspicious about their pig-headed determination to carry on with VAR.
 
But the linesman was still stood with the flag up when the kid scored.
Theres no longer an point in lineman looking for offside.


this is it spot on ^^
if the ref was playing on , then why the wholey f##k is the gormless lineman still standing there with his flag up

it is a very dangerous /idiotic system they are now setting as how can a ref justify ever blowing for an offside decision again without VAR checking it ? as they cant see if its off or not and don't /can't trust linesman

as for the OP , i have never left early in 30+ years but was very very close to going due to what had happend
 
I was surprised so many left early too. I think the team desrerve more than fans bailing out before the end. However, I do agree with comments on VAR. It was obvious that the players temporarily switched off when the linesman flagged. The ref wasn't in line so perhaps he just guessed it wasn't offside. As it happens he was right. On a decision just after the goal the lino flagged and the ref gave offside straight away. The thing is these officials may be in the EFL next week where VAR doesn't apply so some of them must be as confused as the players.
I also want to know why, in the Liverpool derby, Van Dyk can bundle over and foul a player (Calvert-Lewin) in the box for a clear penalty and a red card but VAR doesn't give it. hat would have made it 2-2 but it ain't given, Everton lose and Silva is sacked. VAR as it is being used is a joke. The refs are still not watching the pitch-side monitors either.
 
I can’t believe how fickle some fans are actually.

Reality check.

I don’t even think we played bad - just an awful ref and a few mistakes !l
 
My best mate left two minutes after their second goal went in.

Can't blame him.

I very nearly did the same but kept going until 5 minutes before the end. Why? Well, the offside flag goes up on our attack and the ref decides to blow his whistle. I was just about ready to spontaneously combust at that point. The sheer inconsistency of what's going on with this VAR rubbish and the confusion it brings is nothing short of scandalous. PL and PGMOL need to get their fucking act together and sort this out pronto. It seems that everyone apart from that lot, specifically you Mike Riley and Neil "7 out of 10" Swarbrick, can see how it has been implemented is absolute shite compared to how it seems to work everywhere else.
 
Nevermind people leaving early, what about people that never fucking showed up in the first place.

First match this season I have been to where I could put my feet up. It felt like a championship match.

I guess watching it for free on Amazon was the better option.
 
I think it was a combination of things.

1) the second goal.
On this for me, i didnt know the rules as well as i should and from what ive read / been shown today, the ref actually got it spot on, he played on as there was a goalscoring opportunity. The other offsides there presumably wasnt. What is worrying is that our players seemingly didnt know the rules. We should have learnt from the non penalty at Wolves the other day but clearly didnt. I was also surpised that the ref wasnt waving his arms in the normal 'play on' motion or seemingly screaming it like refs do. All that said, i dont think any defender would have got back so it was down to Hendo to save it. I kind of wish hendo had parried it and it stayed in play to see what happened next, would the ref then have blown up? Would he have left hendo and Shelvey to it??
The implementation of this unique set of rules (The PL plays to its own rules, not the same as the rest of Europe) is getting ridiculous and is at times spoiling the enjoyment for me. NEwcastle fans didnt celebrate when the ball hit the net, then have to celebrate a minute later when the emotion of the moment is gone!

2) we were wank second half, like really disappointing. Substitutions were too late, players were way off their game and newcastle had clearly worked out that if you sit back and let us play with two solid and tight lines, we are pretty clueless at times at getting the better of teams in terms of creating chances. This worries me for the next four games especially
 
Thats shocking. Fair-weather glory hunters. bet they weren't there last year
We lost to WBA at home last year, I think by a single goal.

With ten minutes to go, at least 10,000 had left. It was probably the most appalling fan reaction (SUFC related) that I’ve ever seen.

No premiership glory hunting or VAR to blame there, just fair weathered “beat the traffic” types.
 
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I can’t believe how fickle some fans are actually.

Reality check.

I don’t even think we played bad - just an awful ref and a few mistakes !l
That was my thought. All this 'worst game we've played' bollocks is rubbish. Peoples judgements are totally clouded by the result. Look at the stats, we totally dominated the game and like I've said on multiple occasions, when you have 50k players in a back 9/10, it's extremely difficult to break down no matter how good you are.
 



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