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Seems to me like they have never forgiven the kid for standing up in the executive seats and are framing him for this as punishment... :p
 
That's him fucked off then.

That was worth not being allowed in the ground again for.
 
Whoever the grass is, if you are reading this, you are no blade. Never darken the stands of the Lane with your presence again please, people who throw their own under the bus deserve nothing. Fuck off far away you snake, before you get what you deserve.
 
Whoever the grass is, if you are reading this, you are no blade. Never darken the stands of the Lane with your presence again please, people who throw their own under the bus deserve nothing. Fuck off far away you snake, before you get what you deserve.

He handed himself in it says
The individual has made himself known to the club who have now taken appropriate action operating in line with the EFL Ground Regulations. No further comment will be made on this matter.
Read more at http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/...pyrotechnics-3683124.aspx#iQ0rP3ziVwWzsA6f.99
 
It only says he handed himself in though.
Probably having already been identified, he had no choice but to hand himself in. I doubt he would just stitch himself up off the bat. Having said that, if you're stupid enough to light up a flare surrounded by coppers and cameras, you are generally missing a few cells in the cranium.
 
Whoever the grass is, if you are reading this, you are no blade. Never darken the stands of the Lane with your presence again please, people who throw their own under the bus deserve nothing. Fuck off far away you snake, before you get what you deserve.

Are you serious? Someone who is quite happy to break ground regulations and the law, to selfishly pollute the air of all those around him / her self, (the vast majority of whom will not enjoy the experience), to risk causing life changing injuries to people, all because they decide that their version of 'a good time' should come above and beyond everyone's else's, should not be named and punished?

People who act in this way are not 'one of my own'. Just like those who think it's a good idea to get so arseholed that they can barely stand and spend the majority of their match day abusing other people (even those who are 'one of their own).

If you want to behave like a bellend and don't give a fuck about anyone else, you don't deserve to breath the same air as the rest of us and want banning.
 
Are you serious? Someone who is quite happy to break ground regulations and the law, to selfishly pollute the air of all those around him / her self, (the vast majority of whom will not enjoy the experience), to risk causing life changing injuries to people, all because they decide that their version of 'a good time' should come above and beyond everyone's else's, should not be named and punished?

People who act in this way are not 'one of my own'. Just like those who think it's a good idea to get so arseholed that they can barely stand and spend the majority of their match day abusing other people (even those who are 'one of their own).

If you want to behave like a bellend and don't give a fuck about anyone else, you don't deserve to breath the same air as the rest of us and want banning.
Look after your own, you don't throw your fellow blades to the dogs, full stop, we are a family and an army. My views on pyro are indifferent but even if I was the strongest protester against it, I would never dream of stitching up a fellow blade. It's just classless, disgusting and wrong.
 

Wonder if this view was shared during 1993 when Blades fans created special atmospheres at Wembley & Hillsborough. The club were only too happy to be associated then!
 
Look after your own, you don't throw your fellow blades to the dogs, full stop, we are a family and an army

And equally if you are that bothered about your 'felllow Blades', you don't chuck unstable devices that burn at hundreds of degrees over their heads.

He didn't give a shit who it hit (Vale or Blade) and of course it 'wasn't his fault' when it got lobbed back, was it?

I'd be sympathetic to your line if he was just defending himself or his mates, but smuggling a flare/smoke bomb in and chucking it is the act of a moron.
 
And equally if you are that bothered about your 'felllow Blades', you don't chuck unstable devices that burn at hundreds of degrees over their heads.

He didn't give a shit who it hit (Vale or Blade) and of course it 'wasn't his fault' when it got lobbed back, was it?

I'd be sympathetic to your line if he was just defending himself or his mates, but smuggling a flare/smoke bomb in and chucking it is the act of a moron.
They only get thrown because they are illegal and the people don't want to get caught (or grassed up by the snakes). While it would be preferable if people didn't have them at all, legalising them would make it ten times safer as they would be used properly rather than thrown around potentially causing harm.
 
Are these the red smoke bombs we are talking about? The ones that have literally never hurt another person?
 
Here you are this should help....................In case you don't want to read it all, I've underlined the 4th line down - it's all you need to know really.

UTB


FOOTBALL FANS, SMOKE BOMBS AND FLARES – FACT SHEET


What is the law governing smoke bombs and flares at football matches?

The Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act 1985.

It is on offence for a person to enter or attempt to enter a football ground while in possession of a flare, smoke bomb or firework. The sentence for these offences can be as much as three months in prison, and in many cases, fans who have no previous convictions are being given prison sentences for attempting to enter a football ground with a smoke bomb in their pocket as the courts take these offences very seriously.

There are two different offences (1) possession in the football ground; and (2) possession while attempting to enter. Although logically, attempting to enter a football ground seems to be less culpable than a fan who has managed to get the smoke bomb, flare or firework into the football ground, in real terms the courts do not consider one offence to be more serious than the other. Fans searched prior to entering the football ground and found to be in possession of a firework, flare or smoke bomb, have still been given custodial sentences.

What does 'attempting to enter' a football ground mean?

The courts have decided that 'attempting to enter' means much more than a person who is searched at the turnstiles. Fans have been given a prison sentence for carrying a smoke bomb in their pocket when exiting the train station closest to the football ground, or when walking through the car park on the way to the football ground. A court is likely to decide that a fan who is in possession of a ticket and is close to the ground is ‘attempting to enter’.

Is it more serious to carry a flare or a firework instead of a smoke bomb?

Although a firework or flare may be seen as more dangerous than a smoke bomb to most people, the courts do not seem to distinguish between them. Fans have been sentenced to three months in prison for carrying a smoke bomb, without having actually let it off.

What is a firework?

Even a sparkler falls within the definition of firework, as do bangers and anything else that has a Firework Standard logo on it.

What is a smoke bomb?

Anything which emits smoke or visible gas, even something which is home made.

Will a conviction for possession of a firework, flare or smoke bomb result in a football banning order?

It is highly likely that the court will impose a football banning order on a fan who is convicted of possession of a firework, flare or smoke bomb at a football match. The very nature of the offence means that the prosecution are likely to be able to persuade the court that the offence is football related, and that it is necessary to impose the order to prevent the offence happening again.


How long will the Football Banning Order last?

Most football banning orders imposed by a court after a conviction for a football related offence are for 3 years. This does not only prevent the fan from attending football matches for the next 3 years, but can prevent them from entering the town of their football team on match days, and require them to hand their passport to the Police when the England or Wales national team are playing overseas (as appropriate). A football banning order will show up on a Criminal Records Bureau checks and may prevent a fan from obtaining a visa to travel to countries such as the USA, or working in certain professions, such as working with children.

In addition, football clubs have issued life bans to fans who have been convicted of possession of a firework, flare or smoke bomb, meaning that even once the football banning order has expired, you may still be banned by your club.

What is the law on the carrying of flares, smoke bombs and fireworks for people aged under 18?

The Fireworks Regulations Act 2004

In addition to the above law, it is also an offence for a person under the age of 18 to be found carrying a firework in a public place. Smoke bombs have the Firework Standard label on them and will be classed as a firework. This doesn't just apply to people under 18 going to football matches but applies to all under 18 year olds when they are out in public places such as the park or town centre. The police can issue an £80 fixed penalty notice to anyone under the age of 18 found in possession of a firework in a

public place.

Is it an offence for an adult to have a firework in their possession if they are not going to a match?

No, it is not illegal for a person over 18 years to possess a firework, flare or smoke bomb, but it is illegal for a person over 18 years to let off the firework, flare or smoke bomb in a public place. A person over the age of 18 cannot legally be arrested for being in possession of a firework, flare or smoke bomb, other than when entering or attempting to enter a football match. For instance, the arrest of a football fan at a service station for possession of a smoke bomb in their car is an unlawful arrest unless the fan admits to the police officer that they intended to take the firework, flare or smoke bomb into the football ground later that day.


Be warned that even though fans may not think that having a smoke bomb or flare in their pocket is a serious offence, the police and football club take it very seriously and even a fan with no previous convictions faces a real risk of going to prison.

Spread the word to your friends and fellow fans...


Our thanks to Alison Gurden, Barrister, for providing the information above.

www.fsf.org.uk
 
Are these the red smoke bombs we are talking about? The ones that have literally never hurt another person?

The items that were thrown were smoke bombs, but there was an actual flare at Port Vale too which wasn't thrown. The lad who has been "grassed up" or handed himself in had the flare, based on the picture.
 
Whoever the grass is, if you are reading this, you are no blade. Never darken the stands of the Lane with your presence again please, people who throw their own under the bus deserve nothing. Fuck off far away you snake, before you get what you deserve.

He handed himself in to be fair
 
Whilst on the subject of the flare at PV.

You may remember a Thread a while ago about an autistic lad who had a thrown flare by a Blade, land near him at the Rochdale game.

The result was that he and his mum had to sit away from the REST of the family and by special arrangement (and thanks to Port Vale here) sat in the disabled fans section at the far end of the ground.

It's quite unfair that he and his mum had to do this - yet this is now part of getting him back used to crowds and hopefully getting back on the "away" end.

Some of our so called fans never seem to learn or are wanting to learn of the dangers.

It's a shame yet again that some of our fans - even some posting now, who refuse to see it as a problem.

UTB
 
Whoever the grass is, if you are reading this, you are no blade. Never darken the stands of the Lane with your presence again please, people who throw their own under the bus deserve nothing. Fuck off far away you snake, before you get what you deserve.

So you are saying that nobody should ever report law breaking no matter what? If not, where do you draw that particular line?
 
Look after your own, you don't throw your fellow blades to the dogs, full stop, we are a family and an army. My views on pyro are indifferent but even if I was the strongest protester against it, I would never dream of stitching up a fellow blade. It's just classless, disgusting and wrong.

If a "fellow Blade" had committed a crime that resulted in injury, or worse, to an innocent person then to any sane and decent person it would be the "fellow Blade" who didn't report it who was classless, disgusting & wrong.
 
Whoever the grass is, if you are reading this, you are no blade. Never darken the stands of the Lane with your presence again please, people who throw their own under the bus deserve nothing. Fuck off far away you snake, before you get what you deserve.

Give it a rest pal, he did something he shouldn't have and now he's been dealt with accordingly. Drop the whole "no Blade" bullshit. If a pig fan did this to the United end I'm sure it would be a different story. What does the so called snake deserve, by the way ?
 
Whilst on the subject of the flare at PV.

You may remember a Thread a while ago about an autistic lad who had a thrown flare by a Blade, land near him at the Rochdale game.

The result was that he and his mum had to sit away from the REST of the family and by special arrangement (and thanks to Port Vale here) sat in the disabled fans section at the far end of the ground.

It's quite unfair that he and his mum had to do this - yet this is now part of getting him back used to crowds and hopefully getting back on the "away" end.

Some of our so called fans never seem to learn or are wanting to learn of the dangers.

It's a shame yet again that some of our fans - even some posting now, who refuse to see it as a problem.

UTB
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This is precisely the response to the "man up", "it's all good fun and adds to the atmosphere " argument.

I'm the last to want a sterile, all sat neatly with our hands on our knees and polite applause environment. But there are fellow blades who aren't as fit and healthy, aren't as good on their legs as they once were or are too young / small to hold their own in boisterous crowds.

It only takes a tiny bit of consideration and respect. They have no less right than the rest of us to enjoy watching the Blades away from home. There's certainly no right to impose fear, discomfort or lack of enjoyment on them. Or worse still - to discourage them going.
 

He handed himself in to be fair
Bit difficult to not hand yourself in when your photo is plastered all over the Internet.

Whichever way you look at it the guy's a bellend.

In terms of supporting the club, we can end up with a police bill of 37k per game as opposed to even possibly nothing because we are seen as having risky elements in our support. Great team play that. Shaving a million off our Budget because he's a fuckwit.

Inhaling pyrotechnics is not up there on most people's health to do list either. Can't imagine he did a quick headcount if anyone nearby had asthma.

We've had a great season. Plenty of ways to have fun without being an all round twat.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe it's an age or education thing. I mean, I'm older than 5 and I did make it to infant school so perhaps I just know better :)
 

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