Project Restart - Hoping for 8th June

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YES Blade said:
This is correct and I don't think anyone has a problem with this. I'd just like to know what Plan B, C and D is. So if Project Restart is voted down, what do the clubs vote on next?

Plan B might be finish the season with a points per game average table with relegation, if that achieves the required 16 votes, Bournemouth, Villa and Norwich will be begging to change their vote for Project Restart.
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guess if it goes to a vote for points per game it will end up passing 17-3
 

YES Blade said:
This is correct and I don't think anyone has a problem with this. I'd just like to know what Plan B, C and D is. So if Project Restart is voted down, what do the clubs vote on next?

Plan B might be finish the season with a points per game average table with relegation, if that achieves the required 16 votes, Bournemouth, Villa and Norwich will be begging to change their vote for Project Restart.
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Well. The obvious Plan B is "finish the season behind closed doors with no relegation". Thus allowing Liverpool to vote for it, as they'll win the League. Thus allowing Everton to vote for it, as they'll get some TV revenue. And thus allowing Aston Villa to vote for it as they won't be relegated. Of course, that breaks the so called tri-partite agreement with the EFL. Who will have to take their day in court.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Well. The obvious Plan B is "finish the season behind closed doors with no relegation". Thus allowing Liverpool to vote for it, as they'll win the League. Thus allowing Everton to vote for it, as they'll get some TV revenue. And thus allowing Aston Villa to vote for it as they won't be relegated. Of course, that breaks the so called tri-partite agreement with the EFL. Who will have to take their day in court.
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Do we know the full details of that? It might be no relegation with 3 promoted from the Championship, there is no way 14 clubs will vote for that.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Well. The obvious Plan B is "finish the season behind closed doors with no relegation". Thus allowing Liverpool to vote for it, as they'll win the League. Thus allowing Everton to vote for it, as they'll get some TV revenue. And thus allowing Aston Villa to vote for it as they won't be relegated. Of course, that breaks the so called tri-partite agreement with the EFL. Who will have to take their day in court.
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If there's any common sense then Plan B would surely be the PPG system. Which is much fairer and keeps everything in sync for next season. And would get 17 votes.
 
BadgersBigToe said:
guess if it goes to a vote for points per game it will end up passing 17-3
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The tea & biscuits meetings will be trying to get that across. Some club will be in the lead & will say - look we've already got 17 clubs signed up to do a thing - and that thing will hurt you 3 - we don't want to fucking do that - so, some of you 3 need to come on board with this other thing - or else I'll fetch The Bad Cop in....
 
Working Class Hero said:
If there's any common sense then Plan B would surely be the PPG system. Which is much fairer and keeps everything in sync for next season. And would get 17 votes.
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But would it get 17 votes. Clubs wouldn't get any Revenue as you're not playing any games. Why would clubs vote for no revenue?
 
Working Class Hero said:
That's true, mid-table teams may actually vote against it.
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I'll repeat what I said earlier. If you propose to finish the season behind closed doors with no relegation.
Liverpool vote yes & win the League
Everton vote yes, get the revenue, stay in business
Villa vote yes, and stay up.
Votes for 20. Votes against nil. Court Cases with EFL one.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I'll repeat what I said earlier. If you propose to play the season behind closed doors with no relegation.
Liverpool vote yes & win the League
Everton vote yes, get the revenue, stay in business
Villa vote yes, and stay up.
Votes for 20. Votes against nil. Court Cases with EFL one.
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Or..... 2nd to 12th vote against, on the grounds that the competition has changed and their European chances change, due to the bottom clubs having nothing to play for?

I'd like to think that would happen if those clubs have got any bollocks.
 
Working Class Hero said:
Or..... 2nd to 12th vote against, on the grounds that the competition has changed and their European chances change, due to the bottom clubs having nothing to play for?

I'd like to think that would happen if those clubs have got any bollocks.
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A Vote against is a Vote for No Revenue. Takes a lot of Bollocks to Vote for No Revenue. Unless you're "one of the six". Where by voting FOR relegation or Points Per Game you're voting for No Revenue. That's the dynamic
 
I think there has to be a Working Assumption that every Club in the PL would vote to complete the season behind closed doors as that is the only way of generating revenue. But, clubs near the bottom of the PL can hold a gun to heads by thinking .... if we play out the season & get relegated, we'll take a massive hit on revenue anyway, we'll only agree to vote for completion behind closed doors if there's no relegation.
So, how do you "threaten" the clubs at the bottom?

"We'll finish the season now, you'll be relegated"
"Fine, go ahead & finish it, you'll get no revenue as you'll not be playing any games"

"No relegation will mean a lawsuit with the EFL"
"Oooohhhh" (holds handbag up)

"But no relegation just isn't fair"
"Who the Fuck are you? The Fair Police? It's self defining. If it can't get 14 votes it's fair By Order Of The Premier League"

"You're voting for Self Interest"
"Oh Please. So are the rest of you. You're voting for the madness of behind closed doors for self interest. Get off the High Horse"
 
Tom Bott said:
We have had a flu vaccine for nearly 80 years, yet in 1999/2000 between 20,000 and 48,000 died from it in the UK.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...rofexcesswinterdeathssince19992000/2015-11-25

Though in that year the media had more important things to focus on like the new millennium celebrations.
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19,000 on average die of Flu in the UK every year. Nearly 30000 have died of the virus so far. Thats nearly a full Bramall Lane. Sounds a lot when you think of it like that but when you consider 60,000,000+ people in Britain. Bramall Lane suddenly looks very small. No one should die like that and its tragic. This virus is a massive pay check for the media they will be milking it for years. So why don't they mention the Flu in the same way ?

Sorry thats a bit off topic.

"We'll finish the season now, you'll be relegated" - I cant see the lower PL clubs accepting that.
 
varkanoid said:
"We'll finish the season now, you'll be relegated" - I cant see the lower PL clubs accepting that.
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17th and above would...

Any move to scrap relegation this season is the thin end of the wedge. Next time something extraordinary a happens there will be the same calls from the clubs at the bottom of the table.

Do not set that precedent. Make a commitment that the bottom 3 will be relegated at whatever point the season is deemed finished via PPG if need be. Get that voted through first.

Then we can have a sensible conversation around how to move forward.
 

varkanoid said:
19,000 on average die of Flu in the UK every year. Nearly 30000 have died of the virus so far. Thats nearly a full Bramall Lane. Sounds a lot when you think of it like that but when you consider 60,000,000+ people in Britain. Bramall Lane suddenly looks very small. No one should die like that and its tragic. This virus is a massive pay check for the media they will be milking it for years. So why don't they mention the Flu in the same way ?

Sorry thats a bit off topic.

"We'll finish the season now, you'll be relegated" - I cant see the lower PL clubs accepting that.
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Dunno if you have noticed but we are getting "flu numbers" even with drastically changing our lives
 
Dont quite understand what you mean.

Anyway just read the BBC article and is this inaccurate or is he just being stupid ?

Asked if a vote against neutral venues would lead to the season's cancellation, Bevan told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Yes, I think that probably is correct."
He added: "The government, if they haven't already, will be making it clear that home matches with densely populated stadia, really puts into question whether social distancing rules can be adhered to."
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No one is talking about home matches with fans. Thats not the reason for the neutral grounds !
 
This thing about how many people die of The Flu. Fair enough. It's an argument I suppose. But, the issue for me is not how many people die of Covid-19. It's how many die because they can't get treatment for Covid-19. How many die at home with shit soiled trousers with 111 ringing out on the phone. How many die after being told the GP can't ring them back. How many die in hospital car parks. How many die crouching next to a Twix & Crisps machine in a hospital corridor. How many die in a Travelodge doubling as a makeshift hospital. How many die because the doctors have had to play Paper Scissors Stone to decide who has the Ventilator. I'm scared of dying. But I will. I'm scared of catching Covid-19. And dying from it. But, catching it & dying from it because an overstretched NHS can't cope - you could be saved, but they can't save you. Fuck Me - that's not The Flu.
(And I know those apocalyptic scenes I describe aren't particularly happening. But, I don't want them to)
 
SellyOakBlade said:
17th and above would...

Any move to scrap relegation this season is the thin end of the wedge. Next time something extraordinary a happens there will be the same calls from the clubs at the bottom of the table.

Do not set that precedent. Make a commitment that the bottom 3 will be relegated at whatever point the season is deemed finished via PPG if need be. Get that voted through first.

Then we can have a sensible conversation around how to move forward.
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17th and above would NOT. Because if they finish the season and relegate the other three, they get NO REVENUE to keep their Clubs going.
 
So, who's your German team, until ours restarts? I'm gong to be boring and take Dortmund because Sancho is there and they're likely to be on the TV a fair bit.
 
Am I the only one who thinks it's fucking disgraceful that clubs think it's ok to vote against relegation for no other reason than looking after themselves.

I'll take us losing every remaining game behind closed doors over having no relegation.

Shameful imho.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
So, who's your German team, until ours restarts? I'm gong to be boring and take Dortmund because Sancho is there and they're likely to be on the TV a fair bit.
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FC Schalke is the way forward.
 
EPL football like any other business is preparing for the gradual lifting of restrictions in the coming weeks and what they may have to do to accommodate the new normal. It is therefore sensible that business plans around certain dates in the future with various scenarios about when the game can start again based on June/ July even August resumption dates.

Football is mainly driven by television money whether we like it or not and that determines current and future revenue streams. The amount of money football puts into the economy is significant for it to be considered by Government as a business that needs to get up and running as soon as it is safe to do so. There is also a knock on effect in that if football adapts to the new normal then that will contribute to encouraging the country to adapt as well. For that reason there will be considerable encouragement placed on Football to get up and running subject to satisfying safety and medical advice.

Sky, BT and others are well within their rights to expect a product they pay a considerable amount of money for to be credible. Voting to void the season when an opportunity to restart has been provided may enable the television companies to invoke refund clauses. Whilst they have said they would not do this that was against a background where it was not possible to complete the season at all. Similarly voting to play on behind closed doors but have no relegation diminishes the product on offer with the possibility some teams may just play out games to get to the end with little competitive edge. Again a reason for TV to cry default.

These are factors the likes of Brighton, West Sham and Villa need to consider when they currently bleat about neutral venues but at the same time have apparently indicated they would support a restart with no relegation. Shades of Notlob about their arguments and they would do well to remember that they put at risk the future funding of the EPL with their current stance as they will alienate the other clubs who may suffer financially as a consequence.
 
It’s looks like the first sport coming back will be Golf. Will be interesting to see what Sky do with their subscription pause, cos if they start broadcasting golf then technically live sport has returned and the pause was only until then.

Be a few annoyed people if their sky subscriptions return to full just cos the PGA tour is back underway.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
This thing about how many people die of The Flu. Fair enough. It's an argument I suppose. But, the issue for me is not how many people die of Covid-19. It's how many die because they can't get treatment for Covid-19. How many die at home with shit soiled trousers with 111 ringing out on the phone. How many die after being told the GP can't ring them back. How many die in hospital car parks. How many die crouching next to a Twix & Crisps machine in a hospital corridor. How many die in a Travelodge doubling as a makeshift hospital. How many die because the doctors have had to play Paper Scissors Stone to decide who has the Ventilator. I'm scared of dying. But I will. I'm scared of catching Covid-19. And dying from it. But, catching it & dying from it because an overstretched NHS can't cope - you could be saved, but they can't save you. Fuck Me - that's not The Flu.
(And I know those apocalyptic scenes I describe aren't particularly happening. But, I don't want them to)
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wow just wow sounds like a sci fi film from the future
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
This thing about how many people die of The Flu. Fair enough. It's an argument I suppose. But, the issue for me is not how many people die of Covid-19. It's how many die because they can't get treatment for Covid-19. How many die at home with shit soiled trousers with 111 ringing out on the phone. How many die after being told the GP can't ring them back. How many die in hospital car parks. How many die crouching next to a Twix & Crisps machine in a hospital corridor. How many die in a Travelodge doubling as a makeshift hospital. How many die because the doctors have had to play Paper Scissors Stone to decide who has the Ventilator. I'm scared of dying. But I will. I'm scared of catching Covid-19. And dying from it. But, catching it & dying from it because an overstretched NHS can't cope - you could be saved, but they can't save you. Fuck Me - that's not The Flu.
(And I know those apocalyptic scenes I describe aren't particularly happening. But, I don't want them to)
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Then there are the indirect deaths such as suicide, heart attacks, strokes etc. NHS have reported people with symptoms for serious physical ailments have declined to go to hospital with serios symptoms due to fear of catching Covid-19.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
Is anyone else really not bothered about football coming back anytime soon? I hope the businesses keep going for when fans can return but I can't say I even care if we get to play FC Cluj behind closed doors next year
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It's difficult isn't it? I've got no interest in watching Sheffield United play anyone on the TV, anywhere, in any competition. Even when there are other fans in the ground. I'm a go to games guy. No normal football in an abnormal society. I'm beginning to warm to it a bit - because it's becoming more honest - it's just for the money. But, the alternative, is Clubs go bust, the whole shitheap collapses. I'll happily admit - the football model is crap - and I'd prefer a better model. So, having it crumbling and starting again - Phoenix Legacy FC - plays into my hand. But, it's a big stretch to say I actually want that to happen. It's difficult. But, as you say - I'm not bothered.
 

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