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Revolution said:
Less money is never a good thing. Last time we did this (I think that year's idea was to copy Yeovil) Weir would've got us relegated. The budget had to be increased to get us out of that, as it will this time round in all probability.
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I disagree. We don't need an increased budget, we just need a budget that will compare well to others in the division. And there's no doubt with players like Brayford and Sharp on the wage bill already is high enough to challenge in this division.

It simply needs spending better.
 



Esablade said:
How much was the last managers budget then?
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Ever so sorry but that information hasn't been made public. You can generally tell how much a manager has had to spend. Clough a lot, most of which he pissed straight down the drain. Adkins not as much, but still a fair whack, enough to see progress on 5th and enough to see that an 11th placed finish was pretty diabolical.
 
Houso said:
I disagree. We don't need an increased budget, we just need a budget that will compare well to others in the division. And there's no doubt with players like Brayford and Sharp on the wage bill already is high enough to challenge in this division.

It simply needs spending better.
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This would be true if our transfer policy is no longer overseen by morons.

I have my doubts as to whether this is the case, despite yet another change of manager.
 
Barney said:
Ever so sorry but that information hasn't been made public. You can generally tell how much a manager has had to spend. Clough a lot, most of which he pissed straight down the drain. Adkins not as much, but still a fair whack, enough to see progress on 5th and enough to see that an 11th placed finish was pretty diabolical.
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So 'generally' then... A 'ball park figure', if you can tell me what Adkins budget was and how much more they need to give Wilder?
 
Revolution said:
This would be true if our transfer policy is no longer overseen by morons.

I have my doubts as to whether this is the case, despite yet another change of manager.
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Difficult to argue with that. I've hopes though that Wilder has been 'brought up the right way' for our budget and division.
 
Houso said:
Difficult to argue with that. I've hopes though that Wilder has been 'brought up the right way' for our budget and division.
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Don't hope Houso. They will only let you down. Always have, always will.
 
I think the reduced budget policy means no more £5K a week contract offers. Last season we had at least 12 players who were earning £5K or more. Don't know the number of our players for next season that are still on £5K or more a week but I can guess at the number
 
Hammond, Sammon and Edgar must have made a fair old dent in the budget

Then with the released players, surely there's enough room for Wilder to work his magic and put together a competitive squad?
 
Esablade said:
So 'generally' then... A 'ball park figure', if you can tell me what Adkins budget was and how much more they need to give Wilder?
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£1.5M is the figure of Adkins' total outlay on player fee and wages from one "ITK"' on this board. And this wasn't factoring in Conor Sammons wages either, who was supposedly the highest earner at the club. Excluding Sammon, this comes out at just over 4k per week for Hammond, Edgar, Sharp and Woolford. To me, even that seems on the low side with what Hammond and Sharp were/are supposedly on. Edgar won't have been on much less.

If he makes good use of the free transfer market, he might not need much more than that. However, if he spends a few fees on a few promising youngsters from leagues one/two for example, he's probably going to need a bit more. So if he's going to be on less of a budget than Adkins, it's still possible but as I say, much harder with the amount of players he's going to need to bring in. McCabe is probably still deluded enough to be peddling this 50% academy player line. Hopefully Wilder will let him know how much bollocks he's spouting on that one.
 



sitwell said:
I now Im going to get hammered for this but actually some of the player we have got and just out of contract are good enough to get us out of this division. What we really lacked last year was management ,they had no pattern or formation to follow ,no motivation ,everything was off the cuff ,no direction no team spirit ,all in all , shit management. With a few good additions a good manager could galvanise (Wilder word) this squad and endeavour (Adkins) to take us up. Personally I think Wilder is the man to do this.
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Sorry mate but I disagree ....... our out-of contract players are nowhere near good enough to get us promoted and they have evidenced that amply over the last few years !!

Get them all cleared out, transfer list other ineffectives like Scougal, Woolford, Coutts, and lets build a squad that CAN challenge for the top two ......

UTB & FTP
 
Darthblade said:
Sorry mate but I disagree ....... our out-of contract players are nowhere near good enough to get us promoted and they have evidenced that amply over the last few years !!

Get them all cleared out, transfer list other ineffectives like Scougal, Woolford, Coutts, and lets build a squad that CAN challenge for the top two ......

UTB & FTP
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Our midfield is a disgrace and has been for years.
Barely an ounce of creativity among them.

They most certainly are NOT good enough and need replacing.

And with bugger all budget too it sounds like.

Great work.
 
Barney said:
Now is the time to really back Wilder in the transfer market. It is a great opportunity with the squad having a potential to be so small before he starts, with all the out of contracted players he could get rid of.

If Wilder isn't given the budget he needs then it shifts to McCabe being the issue. I know I'll get people saying it's always been McCabe but I don't think it has.

McCabe wasnt to blame as much for last season, because Adkins was backed fairly well, certainly enough to see progress on 5th. It's not like Clough wasn't backed either. They just gave him too much control and let him run ragged instead.
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McCabe has always been the issue.
If only anyone had mentioned this before.
Oh well.
 
sitwell said:
I now Im going to get hammered for this but actually some of the player we have got and just out of contract are good enough to get us out of this division. What we really lacked last year was management ,they had no pattern or formation to follow ,no motivation ,everything was off the cuff ,no direction no team spirit ,all in all , shit management. With a few good additions a good manager could galvanise (Wilder word) this squad and endeavour (Adkins) to take us up. Personally I think Wilder is the man to do this.
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I'm not sure I agree with you but I did get the impression Baptiste was hinting at something along those lines in his last interview.
 
Barney said:
You don't believe the budget Clough was given should have been enough for promotion?
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Certainly yes, but someone should have had a firm grasp on what was being spent and who was coming in.

He won't run his own business in that manner.

The excesses of Clough had a major impact on this season, has resulted in a smaller budget for next, and probably further down the line too.
 
Barney said:
£1.5M is the figure of Adkins' total outlay on player fee and wages from one "ITK"' on this board. And this wasn't factoring in Conor Sammons wages either, who was supposedly the highest earner at the club. Excluding Sammon, this comes out at just over 4k per week for Hammond, Edgar, Sharp and Woolford. To me, even that seems on the low side with what Hammond and Sharp were/are supposedly on. Edgar won't have been on much less.

If he makes good use of the free transfer market, he might not need much more than that. However, if he spends a few fees on a few promising youngsters from leagues one/two for example, he's probably going to need a bit more. So if he's going to be on less of a budget than Adkins, it's still possible but as I say, much harder with the amount of players he's going to need to bring in. McCabe is probably still deluded enough to be peddling this 50% academy player line. Hopefully Wilder will let him know how much bollocks he's spouting on that one.
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So this:

Barney said:
Now is the time to really back Wilder in the transfer market. It is a great opportunity with the squad having a potential to be so small before he starts, with all the out of contracted players he could get rid of.

If Wilder isn't given the budget he needs then it shifts to McCabe being the issue. I know I'll get people saying it's always been McCabe but I don't think it has.

McCabe wasnt to blame as much for last season, because Adkins was backed fairly well, certainly enough to see progress on 5th. It's not like Clough wasn't backed either. They just gave him too much control and let him run ragged instead.
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Is simply more speculative 'barney-bully'...getting Your digs in early about the club/budgets when you have no idea what Wilders, Adkins nor Clough's budget is/was...you're struggling to even name a figure for Wilder which you feel is adequate.

Dreary me....
 
sitwell said:
I now Im going to get hammered for this but actually some of the player we have got and just out of contract are good enough to get us out of this division. What we really lacked last year was management ,they had no pattern or formation to follow ,no motivation ,everything was off the cuff ,no direction no team spirit ,all in all , shit management. With a few good additions a good manager could galvanise (Wilder word) this squad and endeavour (Adkins) to take us up. Personally I think Wilder is the man to do this.
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Absolutely. A lot of these players got us to two cup semi-finals. Now I know one could fluke away Villa but Southampton were in a good run when we played them, we only just lost to Spurs one needs motivation to match PL teams. I don't think these players are as bad as everyone makes out. I think Adkins just fed them the wrong diet (sorry couldn't resist that one). He certainly left us non-plussed with his post match interviews!

CH he's got to sort and a bit of tweaking in midfield and up front and that should be good enough for top 6 and then add to in January transfer window having fine tuned in the autumn and seen how we perform under him.

Last Sunday on Soccer Sunday McInally as eulogising over Scougall's performance at Fleetwood.
 



PeteBlade said:
He won't run his own business in that manner.
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He probably will. Most successful business leaders recruit good people and allow them to make their own decisions. Micro managing from the top is usually counterproductive. I think you can probably see where the flaw in that premise lies as far as SUFC are concerned.
 
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