Premiership Manager Roundabout

[UnitedBlade]

Fair enough but I'm sure as we all know that money is an aide in creating a good team, there are many more factors generally controlled by the manager which have the final say on promotion. Also I think it's misleading to say that United were managing the cost of relegation as buying players such as Beattie, Henderson and Evans for example would not come cheap either in fees or wages. And there was uproar on this board over the suggested wages of other players.

This was season 2 in L1 and we reduced wages from £10.3M down to £7.5M. So maybe managing the cost of 11/12 failure is more accurate.

Bournemouth increased their wages from £4M to £11M over the same period. Howe would have had no chance without that staggering financial input.

Evans, Beattie and Henderson had all left by the way.

 

[8lade]

This was season 2 in L1 and we reduced wages from £10.3M down to £7.5M. So maybe managing the cost of 11/12 failure is more accurate.

Bournemouth increased their wages from £4M to £11M over the same period. Howe would have had no chance without that staggering financial input.

But Howe did get Bournemouth to the prem beating a Championship where half the teams would've expected to be above them! (And I'd expect at least half a dozen to have spending that dwarfs Bournemouth's).
He's kept Bournemouth in the Prem for 2 seasons, that has to count for something, Warnock couldn't do it with United and we are easily double the size of Bournemouth and there would be few if any teams in the prem over those years who had less finances at their disposal than Bournemouth.

 

[BushBlade]

its always subjective as we never 100 per cent know what wages players are on , as always money isnt everything but if you can pay player 30 k aweek your going to get better players and a better record than players on under 10 k a week

Howes career was luckier in the sense he started at an ambitious league club
Wilder has done the arduous starting in non league , no fault of his own not enough jobs available

but its like show business , some get breaks and instant star billing some have to work working mens clubs

In 2008-11 Bournemouth didn't have a pot to piss in. Howe kept them in the league despite a 17 point deduction then got them promoted the following season, all before Maxim Demin got involved.

 

[blade too long]

In 2008-11 Bournemouth didn't have a pot to piss in. Howe kept them in the league despite a 17 point deduction then got them promoted the following season, all before Maxim Demin got involved.

yes but he started in the league then got lucky with a rich owner
bournemouth should never have sunk so low , they were far to good for div 4
wilder started at potless halifax a club thats had more reformations than optimus prime

 

[BushBlade]

yes but he started in the league then got lucky with a rich owner
bournemouth should never have sunk so low , they were far to good for div 4
wilder started at potless halifax a club thats had more reformations than optimus prime

For the vast majority of their history Bournemouth have been in the lower leagues. Where they should be is fairly irrelevant if they're in L2 and in administration. Wilder started at Alfreton before moving to Halifax.

There isn't a factual way of deciding who is the best English manager, it's a matter of opinion but I don't think you can say Wilder is the best until he's got us promoted and kept us in the PL. Warnock has achieved more than Wilder so far (during a much longer career) and also made his name in non league but no one would suggest he's the best English manager.

 

[UnitedBlade]

But Howe did get Bournemouth to the prem beating a Championship where half the teams would've expected to be above them! (And I'd expect at least half a dozen to have spending that dwarfs Bournemouth's).
He's kept Bournemouth in the Prem for 2 seasons, that has to count for something, Warnock couldn't do it with United and we are easily double the size of Bournemouth and there would be few if any teams in the prem over those years who had less finances at their disposal than Bournemouth.

I agree Howe is a decent manager who did a great job getting them into the Premier League. I’ve just been answering your point that he got out of L1 without significant spend. That wasn’t the case as the figures show. The Russian at Bournemouth has put in staggering amounts of money. Much more than United have been able to because of constraints on McCabe before the Prince arrived. We matched SCMP wages to turnover, they didn’t.

Also we have to acknowledge there is far more money in the PL now than when we were last there. I’d have to check but Bournemouth ‘s PL revenue probably dwarves what we earned 10 years ago. In that sense they are a much bigger club financially.

Season before last Bournemouth turnover £88M, wages £52M. Our PL turnover was £35M.

 

[SwissBlade]

Get your money on West Ham going down! Moyes appointed ha ha

 

[Sean Thornton]

yes but he started in the league then got lucky with a rich owner
bournemouth should never have sunk so low , they were far to good for div 4
wilder started at potless halifax a club thats had more reformations than optimus prime

More than Martin Luther?

 

[8lade]

I’ve just been answering your point that he got out of L1 without significant spend. That wasn’t the case as the figures show.

My point was intended to highlight that Howe was a good manager I'll concede he had more of an advantage getting out of league 1 but after that I would say getting to the Prem was against the odds and keeping them there is also a feat. In comparison Wilder has yet to get us there, although it looks possible and also possible for us to join the melee of teams fighting for supremacy who are neither going to win anything or get relegated. However until this has been achieved I would put Howe above him in the order of top English managers.

 

[BladeFisher]

Moyes in at West Ham after Bilic is sacked.

This stuff honestly just writes itself.

Perhaps Bilic for Sunderland?

 

[grafikhaus]

Moyes to last 14 games before he's sacked and replaced with Koeman.

I think long-term Moyes isn't that bad a manager. But so few clubs get the opportunity to build on anything in the Premier League and if Moyes doesn't deliver immediately then there'll be question marks over his head after 5 games, as there is with anybody.

It's all a bit bonkers up in that division.

Ah, but it's not just the Premier League. Moyes has fucked up in Spain's La Liga and The Championship. Experience like that is valuable...

He was never going to do anything at Sociedad, but at least he gave it a go.

Gizza job! I can do that! £1m a year OK?

 

[Yewsman]

Historically some managers seem to do well at certain clubs and then when they leave fail to achieve at the new clubs. Classic example is Moyes at Everton. OK he did not win anything but they were always there or thereabouts on what was comparatively a shoe string budget. Ever since he has done nothing but fail. Floyd Hasslebank at Burton? Owen Coyle at Burnley who played us off the park in the Championship play off final. Then went to Bolton and did nothing and has never done anything since. Adkins did really well for Scunny and then even better at Southampton but then made a terrible mess at Reading and of course at Bramall Lane.
Now incredibly Moyes is the new manager at Wet Sham. Unbelievable! Would be great if he carried on as he has done at Manure, Sociada, and Sunderland. There would be a real possibility of us swopping places!

 

[coolhandluke]

Wilder does have a proven pedigree for walking out on clubs so don't be too surprised to see him leaving here .

When he does go though i hope ( a ) it's not been because he's been sacked and ( b ) he's taken us as far as he can .

I think we're oreight for a couple of years yet .

 

[TJB.]

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Sir Chris Wilder started his managerial career at fucking Bradway.

Sunday fekkin league. He's since managed at every level in England.

No manager in history will have achieved what he has, should he achieve the unthinkable.

 

[I should coco]

He's since managed at every level in England.

Every level?

That's the kind of boastful talk that gets NKT salivating.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Every level?

That's the kind of boastful talk that gets NKT salivating.

It's clear from the post what was meant, considering what I followed that up with.

However, Sunday league, Prit-stick league, Chupa Chups division 3, Wards Championship, Goals Tuesday night league 6.....

He's done it all.

 

[Tezza1889]

You can already bet on David moyes at 66/1 (skybet) as the next prem manager to leave, he's that bad you just never know...

I think they're Certs to go down now..fingers crossed.. he can do it....

 

[Slim Man]

Shock Pardew lands the WBA gig. Big Sam to Everton. Wonder where Pulis will end up? Stoke by any chance?

Wish people would shut up about Wilder leaving. No one will take a chance on him, luckily for us. Same old boring faces.

 

[Pinchy]

Once again Big Fat Useless Hoofy Bent Sam is given the opportunity to besmirch the beautiful game in more ways than one.

Some people never learn. I hope they are relegated, preferably as a result of a wholly inexplicable penalty on the final day of the season.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Once again Big Fat Useless Hoofy Bent Sam is given the opportunity to besmirch the beautiful game in more ways than one.

Some people never learn. I hope they are relegated, preferably as a result of a wholly inexplicable penalty on the final day of the season.

Whilst more likely than not - saving his boss money.

Call him whatever you like, if your team is in the shit and you need a short term fix, he's better than anyone at providing the goods.

 

[BushBlade]

Shock Pardew lands the WBA gig. Big Sam to Everton. Wonder where Pulis will end up? Stoke by any chance?

Wish people would shut up about Wilder leaving. No one will take a chance on him, luckily for us. Same old boring faces.

Swansea if Clement doesn't turn them around. It's a pointless existence being Swansea at the moment. They've punched above their weight for several years but ultimately it's not sustainable and they're just putting off the inevitable. Pulis is likely to keep them up but for what? Three years of dull, attrition football before they tire of it?

 

[Slim Man]

Swansea if Clement doesn't turn them around. It's a pointless existence being Swansea at the moment. They've punched above their weight for several years but ultimately it's not sustainable and they're just putting off the inevitable. Pulis is likely to keep them up but for what? Three years of dull, attrition football before they tire of it?

I wish for once a side would keep a manager even through relegation. Clement would be perfect for Swansea in the championship. If Boro has kept Karanka rather than rushing and sacking him only to appoint Monk they’d probably be top of the league.

Swansea have ripped the team apart, losing their very best player and reinvesting under half back into the team. What do they expect?

The only club I think would have faith in a manager would be Burnley with Dyche. It’s all him the reason they’re where they are.

 

[The Crab]

Yes, yes they did.

I think they soon found out Schteve was schit.

 

[Blackheath Blade]

Once again Big Fat Useless Hoofy Bent Sam is given the opportunity to besmirch the beautiful game in more ways than one.

Some people never learn. I hope they are relegated, preferably as a result of a wholly inexplicable mistake by a dodgy goalkeeper who dives over a half-hit shot that is trickling towards the bottom corner of his goal, on the final day of the season.

Fixed. My apologies Pinchy.

As some of you may have guessed, I absolutely despise Everton.

 

[BushBlade]

I wish for once a side would keep a manager even through relegation. Clement would be perfect for Swansea in the championship. If Boro has kept Karanka rather than rushing and sacking him only to appoint Monk they’d probably be top of the league.

Swansea have ripped the team apart, losing their very best player and reinvesting under half back into the team. What do they expect?

The only club I think would have faith in a manager would be Burnley with Dyche. It’s all him the reason they’re where they are.

I'm not convinced by Clement, he did very well last season but he strikes me as a coach rather than a manager. I don't know how much input he has on the recruitment side but they made some poor signings in the summer.

 

[The Crab]

I'm not convinced by Clement, he did very well last season but he strikes me as a coach rather than a manager. I don't know how much input he has on the recruitment side but they made some poor signings in the summer.

Think it was on 5 Live the other night. They were on about Swansea and their "unique" recruitment process. Basically sounded like Clement has as much say in transfer policy there as I have.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure Renato Sanches was at Bayern the same time as Clement?

 

[BushBlade]

Think it was on 5 Live the other night. They were on about Swansea and their "unique" recruitment process. Basically sounded like Clement has as much say in transfer policy there as I have.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure Renato Sanches was at Bayern the same time as Clement?

Yes, I think he would have been. Absolute shit at Swansea. I heard someone say 'if Sanches was a youth team player and he'd performed like he has he'd be back in the youth team and you'd never hear of him again'.

 

[The Crab]

Yes, I think he would have been. Absolute shit at Swansea. I heard someone say 'if Sanches was a youth team player and he'd performed like he has he'd be back in the youth team and you'd never hear of him again'.

I don't understand it Bush. Benfica are my "other" team and when he was there, this lad was an absolute cut above. It's not that hard to shine in the Portuguese league to be fair, but this kid looked something very special. Didn't seem to happen for him at Bayern but I still thought he'd do a bit better than Swansea, possibly back to Benfica on loan.

 

[BushBlade]

I don't understand it Bush. Benfica are my "other" team and when he was there, this lad was an absolute cut above. It's not that hard to shine in the Portuguese league to be fair, but this kid looked something very special. Didn't seem to happen for him at Bayern but I still thought he'd do a bit better than Swansea, possibly back to Benfica on loan.

There you go; 'it didn't seem to happen for him at Bayern' so he either can't settle abroad or he's a lazy twat who doesn't train hard enough. The world is full of players with good technique but weak character.