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Sam Johnstone £10m
Toti Gomes £25m
Emmanuel Agbado £18m
Yerson Mosquera £8m
Jackson Tchatchoua £11m
Andre £25m
João Gomes £31m
David Wolfe £10m
John Arias £15m
Jorgen Larson £35m
Jean-Ricner Belle Garde £17m
Total £205m

Aaron Ramsdale £18m
Chris Basham £3m
John Egan £8m
Jack Robinson £1m
George Baldock £8m
John Lundstrum £3m
Sander Berge £20m
Ben Osborn £3m
Enda Stevens £4m
Rhian Brewster £20m
David Mcgoldrick £3m
Total £101m

Values based on transfer fee, valuation at the time, and (in our case) opinion. I imagine the Wolves subs are worth substantially more than our considering we were bringing on Billy, Fleck, Lowe etc.

That Wolves team must be the most disappointing premier league team of all time. £200m and worse than we were!
 
I dont really like to revel in people's misfortune....
However id love it if Edwards takes Wolves down with a record low points totall ...

At least Wolves seem to be competitive giving opponents a tough game but they keep losing by the odd goal.
Whereas we weren’t competitive with little chance of winning….we had quite a few home games where we were 0-3 down at half time = game over.

It’s ironic that we were terrible (one of the most uncompetitive teams ever) yet finished on 16 points.
Wolves seem to be a lot better than our team and are competitive yet are on course to finish on the worse points total ever.
 
Different season. The season in question was the no fans season when we were on two points until beating Newcastle in January.

I think we were generally losing by 1 goal that season
Of the 12 losses after 14 games, 9 were by a margin of 1 goal - whereas for Wolves the equivalent figure is 6.

Their next few games are Man U (H), Arsenal (A), Brentford (H), Liverpool (A), Man U (A), WHU (H).

The Liverpool game is the game that, if they get to there without winning, they would overtake our "record" in terms of latest first win.
 
Sam Johnstone £10m
Toti Gomes £25m
Emmanuel Agbado £18m
Yerson Mosquera £8m
Jackson Tchatchoua £11m
Andre £25m
João Gomes £31m
David Wolfe £10m
John Arias £15m
Jorgen Larson £35m
Jean-Ricner Belle Garde £17m
Total £205m

Aaron Ramsdale £18m
Chris Basham £3m
John Egan £8m
Jack Robinson £1m
George Baldock £8m
John Lundstrum £3m
Sander Berge £20m
Ben Osborn £3m
Enda Stevens £4m

Rhian Brewster £20m
David Mcgoldrick £3m
Total £101m

Values based on transfer fee, valuation at the time, and (in our case) opinion. I imagine the Wolves subs are worth substantially more than our considering we were bringing on Billy, Fleck, Lowe etc.

That Wolves team must be the most disappointing premier league team of all time. £200m and worse than we were!

Some of those valuations, as much as we loved those players look very high.... The ones highlight total 21 million and with the best will in the world (at that time), those players were worth 10 between them, max.
 
Some of those valuations, as much as we loved those players look very high.... The ones highlight total 21 million and with the best will in the world (at that time), those players were worth 10 between them, max.
The valuations for Osborn and McGoldrick in particular look very high, but I'd argue that Enda (at the start of that season) would have been undervalued at £4m.
 
The valuations for Osborn and McGoldrick in particular look very high, but I'd argue that Enda (at the start of that season) would have been undervalued at £4m.
Enda's age wasn't on his side, though was it? And perhaps the remaining duration on his contract?
 
Some of those valuations, as much as we loved those players look very high.... The ones highlight total 21 million and with the best will in the world (at that time), those players were worth 10 between them, max.
I agree to an extent, but Basham, Baldock and Stevens' valuations were on the basis that they'd been part of a defensive unit that conceded 39 goals the previous season. Osborn cost £3.5m, was mid 20s and I didn't feel his value had dropped substantially. Mcgoldrick scored 8 that season, which was more than £71m Havertz!
 
I agree to an extent, but Basham, Baldock and Stevens' valuations were on the basis that they'd been part of a defensive unit that conceded 39 goals the previous season. Osborn cost £3.5m, was mid 20s and I didn't feel his value had dropped substantially. Mcgoldrick scored 8 that season, which was more than £71m Havertz!
The point is that age remaining contract duration as well as what someone else would pay for those players will always determine their value, rather than form

In fairness, you're right about Osborn. Forest had our pants down for him.
 
I dont really like to revel in people's misfortune....
However id love it if Edwards takes Wolves down with a record low points totall ...

The good folk of Middlesbrough are certainly enjoying Rob Edwards' struggles at Wolves - they absolutely loathe him as a result of the way he left them for Wolves, calling him rat, snake and other epithets.

This meme from their thread revelling in Wolves' loss last night, made me genuinely laugh out loud:

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One of the more interesting facts from our two dire PL campaigns (20/21 and 23/24) is that our longest losing streak in either or across those seasons combined was eight games. Bad, but far from historically bad when you consider the record for consecutive losses is 20 (Sunderland) and clubs like Villa have gone 11 losses in a row in this league before.

I actually think it's remarkable that those two sides, as poor as they were, didn't manage to make it into the record books for this.

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At least Wolves seem to be competitive giving opponents a tough game but they keep losing by the odd goal.
Whereas we weren’t competitive with little chance of winning….we had quite a few home games where we were 0-3 down at half time = game over.

It’s ironic that we were terrible (one of the most uncompetitive teams ever) yet finished on 16 points.
Wolves seem to be a lot better than our team and are competitive yet are on course to finish on the worse points total ever.
Wrong season? Brother-Leech
 
In 20/21 (Covid lockdown) we had 2 points after 14 matches but had only conceded 25 goals as we were just outclassed by sides in 2nd gear who effectively treated it as a training exercise and knew that we'd not score (we'd scored 8 goals) once they'd gone ahead. We didn't pick up any more points until our 18th match.

In 23/24 we had 5 points after 14 matches but we'd conceded 39 goals (nearly 3 per game) including the 8 against Newcastle.

Wolves have 2 points after 14 matches and have conceded 29, scoring 7. The parallels are there to our 20/21 season.
 
In 23/24 we had 5 points after 14 matches but we'd conceded 39 goals (nearly 3 per game) including the 8 against Newcastle.
And had also been beaten 5-0 away at both Arsenal and Burnley.

And it got worse in the second half of the season when we got spanked 5-0, 5-0, 6-0 in consecutive home games
 
And had also been beaten 5-0 away at both Arsenal and Burnley.

And it got worse in the second half of the season when we got spanked 5-0, 5-0, 6-0 in consecutive home games
The sheer scale of the incompetence which resulted in over 100 goals being conceded in 38 league matches will become more visible over time. Anything above 2 goals per game is bad*. We were at nearly three per game, including 9 over two matches against a shite Burnley team, 11 without reply against Arsenal and thirteen against Newcastle.

In fact, Brentford (2 goals), Wolves (2) and Everton (3) should all be ashamed of their efforts against us that season. Luton and Wolves also enter the hall of shame for not outscoring us (aggregate 5-4 against Luton - 7-2 if we're talking about the teams the scorers played for :) - and 2-2 against Wolves).

*this also shadows Luton's shit defence in 2023/24: they conceded 85. Burnley were also on over 2 per game with 78 conceded.
 
No, I know we were dreadful in the last premier league season too and broke the goals conceded record.

The record in question that I was replying to though was the worst start to a premier league season which was the 20/21 season
Yeah and the covid season what we're on about we weren't conceding goal after goal like Sheffsteel was saying
 
The sheer scale of the incompetence which resulted in over 100 goals being conceded in 38 league matches will become more visible over time. Anything above 2 goals per game is bad*. We were at nearly three per game, including 9 over two matches against a shite Burnley team, 11 without reply against Arsenal and thirteen against Newcastle.

In fact, Brentford (2 goals), Wolves (2) and Everton (3) should all be ashamed of their efforts against us that season. Luton and Wolves also enter the hall of shame for not outscoring us (aggregate 5-4 against Luton - 7-2 if we're talking about the teams the scorers played for :) - and 2-2 against Wolves).

*this also shadows Luton's shit defence in 2023/24: they conceded 85. Burnley were also on over 2 per game with 78 conceded.
We were also absolutely useless at holding onto anything - a quick pass over the fixtures shows that on no less than 8 occasions entering, or at some point in the last 10 mins (and by that I mean 80 min +) we had points and managed to lose 1, 2 or even all 3 of them.
 
Sam Johnstone £10m
Toti Gomes £25m
Emmanuel Agbado £18m
Yerson Mosquera £8m
Jackson Tchatchoua £11m
Andre £25m
João Gomes £31m
David Wolfe £10m
John Arias £15m
Jorgen Larson £35m
Jean-Ricner Belle Garde £17m
Total £205m

Aaron Ramsdale £18m
Chris Basham £3m
John Egan £8m
Jack Robinson £1m
George Baldock £8m
John Lundstrum £3m
Sander Berge £20m
Ben Osborn £3m
Enda Stevens £4m
Rhian Brewster £20m
David Mcgoldrick £3m
Total £101m

Values based on transfer fee, valuation at the time, and (in our case) opinion. I imagine the Wolves subs are worth substantially more than our considering we were bringing on Billy, Fleck, Lowe etc.

That Wolves team must be the most disappointing premier league team of all time. £200m and worse than we were!
You also forget how much stronger the Premier League has got now compared to 5 seasons ago mate. Teams like Brighton, Bournemouth, Palace, Aston Villa, Newcastle, were all shite back then. Wolves have a much harder task nowadays.
 
The sheer scale of the incompetence which resulted in over 100 goals being conceded in 38 league matches will become more visible over time. Anything above 2 goals per game is bad*. We were at nearly three per game, including 9 over two matches against a shite Burnley team, 11 without reply against Arsenal and thirteen against Newcastle.

In fact, Brentford (2 goals), Wolves (2) and Everton (3) should all be ashamed of their efforts against us that season. Luton and Wolves also enter the hall of shame for not outscoring us (aggregate 5-4 against Luton - 7-2 if we're talking about the teams the scorers played for :) - and 2-2 against Wolves).

*this also shadows Luton's shit defence in 2023/24: they conceded 85. Burnley were also on over 2 per game with 78 conceded.
And Brentford were the only team we managed a clean sheet against.
 
We were also absolutely useless at holding onto anything - a quick pass over the fixtures shows that on no less than 8 occasions entering, or at some point in the last 10 mins (and by that I mean 80 min +) we had points and managed to lose 1, 2 or even all 3 of them.
That’s the thing, we were absolutely dire that season but a desire to get to the end of games and hold on to points could easily have seen us close enough to 17th to take it to the last few games, despite all the drubbings
 

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