Post-Boro Bed Wetting/Wilder Bashing/O'Hare Slagging etc. thread

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

I didn't watch tonight, I did see the Leeds game and thought we were just rubbish after the first 10minutes. Tonight sounds much the same.
We did more than OK first 9 games, but it's not a 9 game season.
I don't really have any faith in Wilder, and haven't for a very long time. I didn't want him to come back, but he did so there we go.
Some people need to get their heads around him not being the messiah, and him being a journeyman manager who's had one short purple patch in what is now a long managerial career. He's a bloke who got lucky for a bit, got found out, and is now just ambling about with United because nowt better came along for him, and he's a just the job yesman for the absentee owners.

 

[100% part time blade]

Wilder should change tactics and formation; and also not change formation because that shows he’s bottling it. And Moore should be a better footballer than he is. And Brewster should have cost less money and not got injured so much. And we should be winning all our home games, and all our away games, basically all our games. And it’s not good enough that we’re about the same as all the teams who are in the same division as us, and a few are sometimes better than us (even though a few are sometimes worse than us). And Arblaster’s rubbish because he’s had two poor games. And Anel’s downed tools and doesn’t care - sorry we don’t do that one anymore; I mean Vini hates us and he’s the one that’s not good enough -
sorry we don’t do that one anymore either… what is it? Ohare! That’s it Ohare is err… too small and not as good at football as I thought he was. But mainly Wilder has lost two league games and I used to think Wilder was doing well last week, but now there’s one manager in our league who has won more games than him this season so that means Wilder is rubbish at being a manager and it won’t be long before we’re getting rid of him.

 

[The Fox]

It's not the losing so much , it's the team set up , the plan , the execution of tactics , team selection , in game management .
We all get a bit miffed when its not apparent what the plan is.
Defensively we look good , that apart it's a bit of a head scratcher .

 

[moody1889]

It's not the losing so much , it's the team set up , the plan , the execution of tactics , team selection , in game management .
We all get a bit miffed when its not apparent what the plan is.
Defensively we look good , that apart it's a bit of a head scratcher .

Exactly I can stomach us losing if we have a go but we don't even do that and that's what is pissing the fans off.

 

[The Bear]

We're currently the 4th best team in the league, and would be a point off the promotion places if it wasn't for the points deduction. Them last two games have been shite but we've played Leeds and Boro away. Some of the opinions are mental (and very much pre-determined).

We were fucking crap. Dont delude yourself pal. Problem is the coaching. Once the fans have become drugged watching the defence aimlessly pass it about side to side to side to side to side we get some quick passes in then someone just makes a hospital pass about midway in the opponents half and the pressure comes back on. As for Moore might as well have bought a telegraph pole for the amount of use he is.

Nah Wilder is and has been total shit when it comes to strikers. We cant score goals, he's relying on the defence - again - as in first PL season and he doesnt learn. Upper mid table mediocrity. Hamer, Vinni and Anel to leave at the end of the season and a gradual fall back down the league(s) to follow.

 

[TJ blade]

I didn't watch tonight, I did see the Leeds game and thought we were just rubbish after the first 10minutes. Tonight sounds much the same.
We did more than OK first 9 games, but it's not a 9 game season.
I don't really have any faith in Wilder, and haven't for a very long time. I didn't want him to come back, but he did so there we go.
Some people need to get their heads around him not being the messiah, and him being a journeyman manager who's had one short purple patch in what is now a long managerial career. He's a bloke who got lucky for a bit, got found out, and is now just ambling about with United because nowt better came along for him, and he's a just the job yesman for the absentee owners.

And that my friend just about sums him up.

 

[Jim Mcdonald]

We’re still gonna piss this league so we will, we lose a game and we barely lose any ground. When we win we fly up the table, it’s such a piss poor league it’s like a FIFA Career mode so it is.

 

[The Bear]

We’re still gonna piss this league so we will, we lose a game and we barely lose any ground. When we win we fly up the table, it’s such a piss poor league it’s like a FIFA Career mode so it is.

3 out the last four games no goals scored.

 

[Newbury Blade]

I didn't watch tonight, I did see the Leeds game and thought we were just rubbish after the first 10minutes. Tonight sounds much the same.
We did more than OK first 9 games, but it's not a 9 game season.
I don't really have any faith in Wilder, and haven't for a very long time. I didn't want him to come back, but he did so there we go.
Some people need to get their heads around him not being the messiah, and him being a journeyman manager who's had one short purple patch in what is now a long managerial career. He's a bloke who got lucky for a bit, got found out, and is now just ambling about with United because nowt better came along for him, and he's a just the job yesman for the absentee owners.

“One short purple patch” FFS

 

[SRBlade]

Very fucking shit.

Good job we're playing shittier teams for a few weeks bar Blackburn

 

[Slim Man]

I’d quite enjoy us to just not be boring.

Had enough of that in recent years and I thought we’d bucked the trend.

 

[SRBlade]

I can take defeats, but having a set up which allows for barely a shot on target per game is concerning.

 

[metalblade]

We got the pigs in three weeks I'm shitting mysen at the thought

 

[SwissBlade]

Love this forum after we lose. Everyone loses their shit and starts 1000 new threads finding a reason to slate each player with a new revelation as to why they’re shite.

We’re not immune from losing games, we’re still building something and the players that were great before the international break haven’t suddenly turned shite.

Leeds we set up to not lose but it didn’t work and we looked disjointed. But we were up against a very good side that adapted to our style and changes. That ability to adapt is a sign of a good side.

Boro weren’t Leeds but we made a lot of changes and it just didn’t work. Added to that, we’d lost Souza and he’s proven to give us stability. Boro had an outlet with Doak and exploited our weak left back position, which was compounded by us making our left side weaker with RND.

Two bad games, yes individuals struggled, but we need to regroup and get ourselves organised again for Stoke. Delaps long through and crouch up top will be a different challenge but Souttar should cope with both

 

[Stretch]

A touch of perspective is needed here I think.

Only a few weeks ago it was more or less unanimously accepted that Wilder had done an amazing job in fixing our biggest problem, the defence. And by god has he fixed it. At the same time it was also accepted that our transfer policy left an already thin squad short in key positions, namely another striker and creative player.

Last night just laid that bare, but it wasn't comparable to the Leeds surrender, about which I was as angry as anyone on here.

As for all this talk about Wilder being tactically inept, or losing it, well I think that is for the birds. But he definitely isn't as brave as he once was, and seems far more passive within games now when things aren't working.

We have a few easier fixtures to get back on track before the unwashed rohl up (you see what I did there..?) who aren't exactly in fine fettle themselves. We just need to stay in touch of the leading pack and hope this attack clicks, otherwise a promising start may well turn into a rather nothing season.

 

[Godbeblade]

GET THAT CAT OFF OUR SHIRTS AN ALL- EVERYTHING WAS FINE BEFORE MANKINI SHOWED UP

 

[The Bear]

The problem is lack of goals !! It is dejavu with Wilder. Is the guy stupid?? The table doesnt lie, we wont win games relying on defence. And to be more specific it is the shit passing in the opposition half that is costing us.

Thank God we are not on tv for a bit - bloody storage wars is more entertaining.

 

[moody1889]

Love this forum after we lose. Everyone loses their shit and starts 1000 new threads finding a reason to slate each player with a new revelation as to why they’re shite.

We’re not immune from losing games, we’re still building something and the players that were great before the international break haven’t suddenly turned shite.

Leeds we set up to not lose but it didn’t work and we looked disjointed. But we were up against a very good side that adapted to our style and changes. That ability to adapt is a sign of a good side.

Boro weren’t Leeds but we made a lot of changes and it just didn’t work. Added to that, we’d lost Souza and he’s proven to give us stability. Boro had an outlet with Doak and exploited our weak left back position, which was compounded by us making our left side weaker with RND.

Two bad games, yes individuals struggled, but we need to regroup and get ourselves organised again for Stoke. Delaps long through and crouch up top will be a different challenge but Souttar should cope with both

It is the way we have set up that is the issue not losing as such.

I can take losing if we give it our all but the last two performances have been spineless and they were caused by CW and his negative tactics.

 

[Torrix1889]

I'd forgotten that possibility

Anel will be booked Saturday v Stoke for the same reason....lump on! 3 players walking a tightrope booked in consecutive games so not missing together....in that regard Wilder is a tactical genius......but only that regard, everything else he is shit at.

 

[Flumps]

Love this forum after we lose. Everyone loses their shit and starts 1000 new threads finding a reason to slate each player with a new revelation as to why they’re shite.

We’re not immune from losing games, we’re still building something and the players that were great before the international break haven’t suddenly turned shite.

Leeds we set up to not lose but it didn’t work and we looked disjointed. But we were up against a very good side that adapted to our style and changes. That ability to adapt is a sign of a good side.

Boro weren’t Leeds but we made a lot of changes and it just didn’t work. Added to that, we’d lost Souza and he’s proven to give us stability. Boro had an outlet with Doak and exploited our weak left back position, which was compounded by us making our left side weaker with RND.

Two bad games, yes individuals struggled, but we need to regroup and get ourselves organised again for Stoke. Delaps long through and crouch up top will be a different challenge but Souttar should cope with both

I think it's been said here already. It's not so much the losing, it's how we are losing. Our first 20 minutes showed that we could take Boro apart and some might argue we could have been at least 2 up maybe more. It's the apparent head drop after we fluff a couple chances. From 25 minutes onwards I swear I was watching a completely different team.

We do need to regroup but if the squad can't even pick it's head up when they're DRAWING how the bloody hell are they going to do that after 2 crap losses. Leeds are a good side but I think on paper we're better however I've got no clue because we bent over for them. You just knew yesterday as soon as Boro had a couple of chances that was it. All confidence was lost, barely 3 passes strung together and managed just 1 more shot. How does that even happen when 5 minutes ago you were pressing high, attacking and had a shot cleared off the line.

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

“One short purple patch” FFS

With the benefit of hindsight, that's what it was.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

I don't get this constant changing of the team. For me, Gilchrist and Burrows are our best full backs. Keeping them on the bench in our last 2 games whilst Shackleton or McCallum get abused seems ridiculous.

 

[Panini]

To be fair to Hamer, it was the shortest 'kicking the ball away' in the history of football.

The offence is 'delaying the restart'. Doesn't matter if it's 1 yard or 100.

Anyway as others have said, maybe it wasn't entirely surprising.

 

[AnstonBlade1]

Clearly the Moore and O hare duo isn’t working both have been dog if anyone needs dropping it’s those two.

Hamer needs to be played in his best position totally wasted on the left.

We’ve got to get our attacking players on the pitch, maybe JRS and Brooks some how need to be in the team together.

Last two games we’ve had absolutely nothing going forward and never looked like scoring.

 

[robbiez666]

Once again, you can criticise the team selection and subs but it's abundantly clear that the squad isn't good enough.

No cover for Vini
No cover/competition for Moore. (This I believe was meant to be Cannon but pulled last minute)

Shackleton and Campbell don't seem to fit into how we play.

 

[toledo]

The thing that drives me crazy is the tippy tappy style of possession at the back. As in previous games, we spent several minutes at a time just passing around the back line (Anel, Sooutar, etc) because there is NO movement in midfield or up front. And, after several minutes of sideways passing across the back line, we pass to midfield and what happens? It gets passed back to the back line. This is the reason why we gave the impression we had control of the ball. Plus in all of this, this gives the opposition midfield and back line time to form to do what? Block the space that we should he exploiting 5 minutes before!!

The lack of movement in midfield and, thus, isolation of the forwards, is the biggest issue we have and that is a coaching issue!

The only way passing across the back works is for a mobile midfield pushing the possition midfield back and finding space quickly for a back line player (Anel, Souttar) to pass into.

There is, essensially, NO movement in midfield or wings, or forwards so the back line has only one option, keep possession and pass it back across the line.

This is been the case all season and once we come up against good teams we are found out.

Change this awful tactic, work on movement into the channels in midfield and wings and you will see a different game.

I'm flumaxed why the coaching staff are not addressing this visible issue, other teams are seeing it and exploiting it.

The reason why Vini is so vital this season and why he gets upset is because he sees it and is trying to work/protect all the available space in our midfield.

toledo

 

[Tarqs]

The thing that drives me crazy is the tippy tappy style of possession at the back. As in previous games, we spent several minutes at a time just passing around the back line (Anel, Sooutar, etc) because there is NO movement in midfield or up front. And, after several minutes of sideways passing across the back line, we pass to midfield and what happens? It gets passed back to the back line. This is the reason why we gave the impression we had control of the ball. Plus in all of this, this gives the opposition midfield and back line time to form to do what? Block the space that we should he exploiting 5 minutes before!!

The lack of movement in midfield and, thus, isolation of the forwards, is the biggest issue we have and that is a coaching issue!

The only way passing across the back works is for a mobile midfield pushing the possition midfield back and finding space quickly for a back line player (Anel, Souttar) to pass into.

There is, essensially, NO movement in midfield or wings, or forwards so the back line has only one option, keep possession and pass it back across the line.

This is been the case all season and once we come up against good teams we are found out.

Change this awful tactic, work on movement into the channels in midfield and wings and you will see a different game.

I'm flumaxed why the coaching staff are not addressing this visible issue, other teams are seeing it and exploiting it.

The reason why Vini is so vital this season and why he gets upset is because he sees it and is trying to work/protect all the available space in our midfield.

toledo

Spot on this. For all the fanfare around Arblaster (and Peck after his Wrexham game...ffs, Some wanted Souza out for him).... they didn't show whatsoever for the defence. Arblaster often blocked the pass off himself with his movement. Same as vs Leeds.

Yet you look at their middle, Hackney, Aziz, Mcgree. THey all wanted the ball, all found space and our midfield was bypassed very easily. Aziz seemed to have the freedom of the pitch the whole match, culminating in him running 30 yards completely unchallenged to put a ball on the head of Latte Lath.

 

[crazyblade1889]

The shoutbox is a cesspit at the best of times but Jesus wept you’d think we got slapped 6-0 without a shot on goal. Better than the Leeds performance and it was far from anything last season (can’t believe I actually read a poster comparing tonight to last season). I doubted Wilder would take us anywhere near close to a top 6 push at the start of the season but he’s done pretty well considering. The football is quite dire but it’s a new team.

The Wilder fan boys said he had a free pass last season. It was meant to be all about this season. Now they are coming out with this rubbish about not having a squad good enough to challenge, mid table being our expectation blah blah. So we’re giving him another free pass this season too by the sounds of it. When this season becomes a damp squib what will the excuses be next year? Let’s give him 3 years to put it right shall we while we piss our two years of parachute payments up the wall! Get a fucking grip!

 

[crazyblade1889]

Don't bother starting 100s of new ones. Just put them all in here so I can mute the thread

What else do you want to talk about? The site is for discussing general Sheffield United stuff. At the minute the football is garbage and we’ve got a clueless manager. Of course that’s going to be the topics covered!

 

[Hillsboro Blade]

I also get the impression that the players are told “Gave it a go for the first 20 minutes, if we don’t score, sit back”. The number of games this happens is ridiculous.