Pig in Blades end at Mansfield?

[bladesman1889]

According to this thread on blades mad:
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=463&fid=221&sty=2&act=1&mid=2120983768

Some tosser spat in a kids face which started the trouble off. Not quite this then :
"It has taken the excitable lager drinking "A Block Legends" just 34 mins to start on their fellow Blades"
it's a bit sad that whoever was doing the twitter updates presumed it was 'The A-Block legends' who started the trouble and even felt the need to tweet about it, along with the horrific act of pushing in front of someone in the queue.

Was anyone there who saw the incident?

 

[DuncDisorderly]

According to this thread on blades mad:
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=463&fid=221&sty=2&act=1&mid=2120983768

Some tosser spat in a kids face which started the trouble off. Not quite this then :
"It has taken the excitable lager drinking "A Block Legends" just 34 mins to start on their fellow Blades"
it's a bit sad that whoever was doing the twitter updates presumed it was 'The A-Block legends' who started the trouble and even felt the need to tweet about it, along with the horrific act of pushing in front of someone in the queue.

Was anyone there who saw the incident?

We had moved away from them by then, but I wasn't aware of any scuffles. The stewards were in and out a bit most of the game but it all seemed pretty good natured in that 'We're 17, and we're really great cos we've got hair round our bollocks and we've invented football support' kind of way. Just kids larking about...

 

[Sensiblade]

why are you so offended by that tweet from yesterday bm1889?

it wasn't aimed at you

 

[Ballinpigpubs13]

My son was up where the bother was and he said there was some bellend about twenty year old with short dark brown hair threatening all the younger lads if they were'nt singing.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

My son was up where the bother was and he said there was some bellend about twenty year old with short dark brown hair threatening all the younger lads if the were'nt singing.

Was he the one carrying 'Brian the Pig' ? Bladesmad poster and famous on Facebook, so I believe. He's a bit of a genius. Put his big flag up, but put it behind a wall so no-one could see it. Ho hum... I recognised a few of the BM kids, DarBlade, Smithy, and a couple of other up there. My kids also recognised about half a dozen 14-15 year olds from their school. With that age range, being in a 'big group' of them is going to be pretty exciting and they are bound to feel pretty invincible so I suppose the rest is only to be expected. Like all teenagers they think they invented everything and their disrespect of us older Blades does grate a bit. They'll all be fine when they finish puberty, but the singing section wont ever be taken seriously if this is what it is...

 

[Blade58]

Anyone notice the pre kick-off match sponsor photo in the centre circle? There was a very, very, slightly over weight fella stood at the side of Morgs

It was me!

 

[Foxy]

Not quite this then :
"It has taken the excitable lager drinking "A Block Legends" just 34 mins to start on their fellow Blades"
it's a bit sad that whoever was doing the twitter updates presumed it was 'The A-Block legends' who started the trouble and even felt the need to tweet about it, along with the horrific act of pushing in front of someone in the queue.

Was anyone there who saw the incident?

So you weren't there to see it, don't even know if its the same incident that's been commented on, but you decide it's a bit sad and evidently wrong just because someone on blades mad says there were pigs there?

Imagine that, a couple of pigs sat drinking in the middle of Mansfield!? I mean, it's not like anyone in Mansfield is likely to be anything but a Mansfield fan or a blade on the trip across from Sheffield

If there were pigs in a pub in Mansfield, then its plainly obvious they must have also been in the stands causing trouble too

I saw some Newcastle fans before and after the match, they must have come down to spoil for trouble!

I saw the incident from a far and more than anything it's embarassing that we require the intervention of stewards at such a fixture.

I wasn't tweeting myself, but can tell you that the "horrific act of pushing in front of someone" pisses off people immensely, it's just the attitude and disrespect towards other blades that wins no friends what-so-ever. There was a long line waiting to be served by the immensly slow staff, who had been waiting about 10 mins already... only to have groups of individuals wander past, having not even attempted to queue and deposit themselves at the front, or create another queue for themselves making sure they got served before the masses.

 

[bladesman1889]

Since 5 or so posters on Blades Mad have said that it wasn't the lads in the corner of the stand causing the trouble, it's a shame you just presume that they did. An older guy apparently spat in one of their faces ffs!

I do agree that they let themselves down sometimes with some idiotic chants aimed at other Blades, but it does still seem unfair that you're (whoever was tweeting) accusing them of starting on other United fans without knowing much about the incident.

Anybody could've pushed in the queue and I do wonder if you would have felt the same if a middle aged bloke pushed in front of you in the queue. I doubt that would've appeared in the 'tweets'

Oh and the bloke causing trouble doesn't sound much like a United fan to me.

 

[Foxy]

Since 5 or so posters on Blades Mad have said that it wasn't the lads in the corner of the stand causing the trouble, it's a shame you just presume that they did. An older guy apparently spat in one of their faces ffs!

You've completely missed what I said then? I'm not presuming anything, I've only posted about what I saw myself (there's more I could post regarding my conversation with individuals in the queue, but I choose not to, as I'm not wanting to post and cause arguements for the sake of it).

Anybody could've pushed in the queue and I do wonder if you would have felt the same if a middle aged bloke pushed in front of you in the queue. I doubt that would've appeared in the 'tweets'

Again, like I said to you before, I was queuing, not tweeting. Anybody "could" have pushed in front of all the blades in the queue, certain people did. I didn't tweet, I did however stand in the queue with loads of other blades who became equally as pissed off at others complete lack of respect for the rest of the blades in attendance. Whoever would have pushed in, would have been met with the same reaction.

Oh and the bloke causing trouble doesn't sound much like a United fan to me.

Well that must be it then, case closed. You didn't see him, but you've heard that there were Owls in Mansfield so it must clearly be one of those. It's not like there's any infighting these days is it?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Sorry but I ain't buying that this is one Wednesday fan who decided to go to a pre-season friendly to start on a couple of hundred blades.
A ITK guy on BM states that he did see a wednesday "face" in a pub before the game but there is nothing that links this guy to the incidents that are coming out. As embarrassing as it is I think these idiots were Blades.

While I'm not linking this idiot with the A-Force, there has been plenty of incidents where member of the singing sections have had a go at fans who don't wish to join in. Mostly with some of their more childish/stupid songs.

I know fans on here who have already had run ins with some of the singing section members because they didn't choice to sing what they want at away matches.

It's up to the guys who want to make this section work, if they want to be taken seriously they need to sort out these idiots amongst them and cut out the stupid "sarny army" and other childish songs and get back to supporting the team.

 

[bladesman1889]

I should've made it more clear that it was mainly aimed at whoever was tweeting, though i did say:

but it does still seem unfair that you're (whoever was tweeting) accusing them of starting on other United fans without knowing much about the incident.

But it's fairly clear you hold a similar view to the mysterious tweeter (was it linz?). I'm just not so sure a middle aged bloke pushing in the queue would've been met with the same reaction but that's just my opinion.

I said he doesn't sound like a United fan to me, since there's reports of this bloke spitting at people, chanting 'you're a f.ing embarassement' and starting fights. I didn't say if he was a pig or not because I wasn't there and didn't see the incident. I wouldn't expect infighting at a bloody pre-season friendly at Mansfield, about 30 minutes in.

 

[bladesman1889]

Sorry but I ain't buying that this is one Wednesday fan who decided to go to a pre-season friendly to start on a couple of hundred blades.

While I'm not linking this idiot with the A-Force, there has been plenty of incidents where member of the singing sections have had a go at fans who don't wish to join in. Mostly with some of their more childish/stupid songs.

I know fans on here who have already had run ins with some of the singing section members because they didn't choice to sing what they want at away matches.

It's up to the guys who want to make this section work, if they want to be taken seriously they need to sort out these idiots amongst them and cut out the stupid "sarny army" and other childish songs and get back to supporting the team.

I do hate chants like 'sarnie army', it just excludes them from other fans. idiotic.

 

[mattbianco1]

I said he doesn't sound like a United fan to me, since there's reports of this bloke spitting at people, chanting 'you're a f.ing embarassement' and starting fights.

Which of these sounds like a blade??

Male # 1 - A big bloke of pure muscle, tattoo's visible on every part of his body. Drinks like its going out of fashion, turns up at games absolutely out of it having already had 12 pints and 4 fights. Or,

Male # 2 - A nice family man, got three children, nice house, lovely car, well paid job. Goes to every game home and away with his 3 kids, doesn't have a drink beforehand and hates conflict of any kind.

So is male 1 a blade or an owl? What about male number 2?

I know Male number 1 sounds like a total nob. As it happens i'm related to both of the blokes described. I can tell you that both are blades. Even though the complete thuggery of #1 makes me not really speak to him, he still supports the red and white. He just doesn't "sound" like a blade

 

[bladesman1889]

No, I meant he didn't sound like a United fan because it's hardly typical behaviour for a Blade to be threatening other Blades in a low key pre-season match at Mansfield, not because Owls are generally more thuggish or whatever.

 

[keenzy]

RE the queue pushing....
I do like my food. I like having a burger and pie at matches and I don't mind queueing for it. So queuing for 10 mins to get something then a fucking bellend with ears like the F.A. Cup gets a hot Shepard's pie and I end up with a ham fucking salad sandwich really pisses me off.

 

[Linz]

Yes it was me and I stick by what I said. And as I said before, if there's a gang of you and some go off like bellends, it's reasonable to assume that their mates consider this acceptable behaviour or they would not want to associate with them at all.

Starting on and pushing in front of fellow Blades is a lot more disrespectful than merely pointing out that some appear to believe this is acceptable behaviour.

But no doubt you want to call me "ignorant" or "patronising" again.

 

[shreds1975]

I said he doesn't sound like a United fan to me, since there's reports of this bloke spitting at people, chanting 'you're a f.ing embarassement' and starting fights. I didn't say if he was a pig or not because I wasn't there and didn't see the incident. I wouldn't expect infighting at a bloody pre-season friendly at Mansfield, about 30 minutes in.

So abusing and starting fights with his own fans means he is not a United fan. I cannot comment on yesterday, because I wasn't there, however I admire your naivety. I used to go away quite a bit before family and have witnessed many a bust up amongst United fans with differing opinions.

Probably the worst occurence of this was against Palace at the Play Off final. My family was sat next to an old guy who appeared to be on his own. The "fans" (who I hasten to add were a family themselves) in front spent most of the first half stood on their seats, backs to the game chanting and singing. Me, my my dad and co were able to stand, although didn't have a great view due to the shallow rake of the bench seating, the old guy who wasn't that mobile wasn't so lucky. Repeated requests for them to get down off the seats were met with verbal abuse and threats of violence to the old guy and to my family when we intervened on his behalf. After threatening to see him at half time thing settled a little. Visibly shaking the old man walked away at half time followed, by the father of the delightful Blades supporting family in front. All I know is that the old man didn't return for the second half.

Given how poor it was and what happened 45 minutes later that might have been a blessing, but no-one should be treated to that level of abuse or threat. It spoilt the day as much as the result did.

As for the Blades best supporting family in front they continued to ignore the match danced on the seats and abused others.

Feel free to believe that an event you have heard about second hand cannot possibly be what they described, but think about who is describing it and why they would have reason to lie.

Unfortunately, not all Blades fans are as great as you would like to believe.

 

[Foxy]

So abusing and starting fights with his own fans means he is not a United fan. I cannot comment on yesterday, because I wasn't there, however I admire your naivety. I used to go away quite a bit before family and have witnessed many a bust up amongst United fans with differing opinions.

Turns out, the link only ends up "proving" that it wasn't a pig fan after all and describing yet more infighting later on.

 

[bladesman1889]

So abusing and starting fights with his own fans means he is not a United fan. I cannot comment on yesterday, because I wasn't there, however I admire your naivety. I used to go away quite a bit before family and have witnessed many a bust up amongst United fans with differing opinions.

Probably the worst occurence of this was against Palace at the Play Off final. My family was sat next to an old guy who appeared to be on his own. The "fans" (who I hasten to add were a family themselves) in front spent most of the first half stood on their seats, backs to the game chanting and singing. Me, my my dad and co were able to stand, although didn't have a great view due to the shallow rake of the bench seating, the old guy who wasn't that mobile wasn't so lucky. Repeated requests for them to get down off the seats were met with verbal abuse and threats of violence to the old guy and to my family when we intervened on his behalf. After threatening to see him at half time thing settled a little. Visibly shaking the old man walked away at half time followed, by the father of the delightful Blades supporting family in front. All I know is that the old man didn't return for the second half.

Given how poor it was and what happened 45 minutes later that might have been a blessing, but no-one should be treated to that level of abuse or threat. It spoilt the day as much as the result did.

As for the Blades best supporting family in front they continued to ignore the match danced on the seats and abused others.

Feel free to believe that an event you have heard about second hand cannot possibly be what they described, but think about who is describing it and why they would have reason to lie.

Unfortunately, not all Blades fans are as great as you would like to believe.

You've got the wrong end of the stick.

That was an absolutely massive match and a far cry from a pre-season match away at Mansfield.

To me the fighting at Mansfield seemed so needless and unprovoked according to reports on Blades Mad and from mates of mine. Please don't call me naive because I've also seen Blades fighting Blades home and away including at our next PO final in 2003. But I've never seen it at a low key pre-season friendly, nothing like it, which is what led me to believe there might be a Wednesday fan in the away end for whatever reason (there are contrasting reports in that thread now though)

My original point was that I don't think you (linz) should presume the younger lads started all the trouble off, when it's very unclear how it did kick off. You mentioned them a few times in your updates, rather than updates on the actual match which is a little odd. You may say you would've mentioned the queuing incident if it was an older bloke doing it but I'm not so sure.

 

[Foxy]

My original point was that I don't think you (linz) should presume the younger lads started all the trouble off, when it's very unclear how it did kick off.

... and yet you're still presuming this is the same incident and that Linz is presuming rather than seeing first hand.

Given that she was there and you weren't, its safe to say her view may have been a little more detailed than your own

However big or small the match, there tends to be infighting these days... It shouldn't happen anywhere, but it does.

Events like pushing in queues and displaying a general lack of respect for others does nothing to help this situation, no matter how you trivialise it.

 

[bladesman1889]

So linz was next to all the trouble and knew exactly how it started then?
Just that others who were there thought differently, five or six on Blades mad.
Like I said I've never seen infighting at pre-season matches.

 

[Linz]

My original point was that I don't think you (linz) should presume the younger lads started all the trouble off, when it's very unclear how it did kick off.

I'd hazard a guess that I have a better idea than you do... seeing as you weren't there. And you'd also realise there was very little to comment on with regards to the football if you were there. If they hadn't brought attention to themselves, I'd have had to reason to comment on their conduct at all.

Someone told them all they were an embarrassment ("sit down if you're family stand", "you're getting bummed in the morning" to a lad in a pink t-shirt in the Mansfield stand) so they all rounded on him... much like what happens if you dare to speak against them on a message board it seems.

If you don't like reading what I have to say, don't read it. But you're not going to stop me voicing my opinion.

 

[Foxy]

So linz was next to all the trouble and knew exactly how it started then?

I say again, who's to say you are talking about the same trouble?

I wasn't sat with Linz when she mentioned it, so I don't know exactly her view of proceedings, but I'd hazard a guess that it was ever so slightly closer than the person who appears to be telling her she's wrong!

Like I said I've never seen infighting at pre-season matches.

How many pre-season matches have you been to? it's fairly rare like you say... but the last few years have been littered with small incidents of people falling out about slagging managers/players off before they've even got properly started, followed by squaring up etc, nothing major, but other than the lower attended ones it can still be pretty stupid at times. It doesn't normally need anything as embarrasing as steward involvement though.

 

[bladesman1889]

I'd hazard a guess that I have a better idea than you do... seeing as you weren't there. And you'd also realise there was very little to comment on with regards to the football if you were there. If they hadn't brought attention to themselves, I'd have had to reason to comment on their conduct at all.

Someone told them all they were an embarrassment ("sit down if you're family stand", "you're getting bummed in the morning" to a lad in a pink t-shirt in the Mansfield stand) so they all rounded on him... much like what happens if you dare to speak against them on a message board it seems.

If you don't like reading what I have to say, don't read it. But you're not going to stop me voicing my opinion.

Who says I'm going to stop you voicing your opinion? Stop getting so defensive! I just don't think it's fair how you seem to single out these lads a fair bit for criticism and presume they're causing trouble. As I mentioned five or six others appeared to have a different view of the incident to you. And apparently the bloke started chanting 'you're a f'ing embarassement' to the lads which I don't think helps matters.

 

[bladesman1889]

I say again, who's to say you are talking about the same trouble?

I wasn't sat with Linz when she mentioned it, so I don't know exactly her view of proceedings, but I'd hazard a guess that it was ever so slightly closer than the person who appears to be telling her she's wrong!



How many pre-season matches have you been to? it's fairly rare like you say... but the last few years have been littered with small incidents of people falling out about slagging managers/players off before they've even got properly started, followed by squaring up etc, nothing major, but other than the lower attended ones it can still be pretty stupid at times. It doesn't normally need anything as embarrasing as steward involvement though.

Well a mate of mine at the match only saw one bit of trouble at the match as did most others, so it's unlikely there were skirmishes all over the United end :lol: It's not just me who's saying linz is wrong because I'm basing my view on the differing reports of 5/6 others who went.

I usually go to 2 or 3 a season, and even when we were really shit I don't recall any fighting in pre-season.

 

[Foxy]

Well a mate of mine at the match only saw one bit of trouble at the match as did most others, so it's unlikely there were skirmishes all over the United end :lol:

I usually go to 2 or 3 a season, and even when we were really shit I don't recall any fighting in pre-season.

Apologies, I must just be making it up for the laugh then

"infighting" doesn't really have to be a full on brawl that the whole stand sees or is it only those that count?

 

[Linz]

I just don't think it's fair how you seem to single out these lads a fair bit for criticism and presume they're causing trouble. As I mentioned five or six others appeared to have a different view of the incident to you. And apparently the bloke started chanting 'you're a f'ing embarassement' to the lads which I don't think helps matters.

Well you originally started off by saying the lad was a Wendy, which was then rebutted. So believe who you want to. But the atmosphere started off quite well and then they started getting at other people... which some obviously took offence to.

With some of the attitudes involved which border on Scouse-like (look at us, aren't we good and no one can say anything against us because we're cheeky chappies and don't get in any trouble at all, no-sir. People start on us...) I can see there being more incidents throughout the season.

And if we're talking about what other people say, I've already spoken to a few people I see who go to every away match and have done for quite a few years... they don't want anything to do with this gang and described them as "idiots". Single me out as the only one who isn't exactly enamoured with the idea of this rabble, but I'm by no means alone.

 

[bladesman1889]

And if we're talking about what other people say, I've already spoken to a few people I see who go to every away match and have done for quite a few years... they don't want anything to do with this gang and described them as "idiots". Single me out as the only one who isn't exactly enamoured with the idea of this rabble, but I'm by no means alone.

And on the other hand, some regulars support them and appreciate what they're trying to do. Having digs at them all the time seems unnecessary to me because I'm sure their intentions are good.

 

[bladesman1889]

Apologies, I must just be making it up for the laugh then

"infighting" doesn't really have to be a full on brawl that the whole stand sees or is it only those that count?

so there were more fights definitely started off by these lads?

 

[Linz]

And on the other hand, some regulars support them and appreciate what they're trying to do. Having digs at them all the time seems unnecessary to me because I'm sure their intentions are good.

And defending them all the time when you've said you weren't there to actually see stuff first hand seems a little daft too.

If they keep their heads down and do what they claim to want to do (support the team in an inclusive way) there is no reason to criticise.

Piss people off and I won't be the only one mentioning it.