Phipps Speaks!

[William Henry Foulkes]

The right deal for the Club, the right arrangement for the Club, the right thing for the Club. Seriously if it was just about the money we wouldn't have paid off NC and his cronies.

It's the same way folk sometimes interpret good value as automatically meaning cheap.

Grrrrr

Agreed. Cheap and Good Value are absolutely not the same thing.

I take the statement to mean the club are looking for good value. The best candidate can price themselves out of the market. All sides will be negotiating hard. I hope we get the right outcome.

(Btw there was not much love for Positive Parky in Jim's timeline.)

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

WHF , in american jargon , i take it to read we have to get the right man and money is secondary . If we have to pay over the odds , so be it . It will cost the club 3 times as much ( or more ) if we get it wrong.

Remember its not only the manager , but a entire new back room staff . It is a clean sweep with a new broom , but the broom cannot be from pound land , its got to be from John Lewis.

UTB

The broom you get from John Lewis can be more expensive but (much) better value. But If they start asking silly money do you pay it? No. Like I said to me it's a statement of intent.

One precedent might be the Beard. I think that deal was very well worked. We paid very good money and we got a very good player - and more. But imo we didn't pay over the odds.

 

[Dkc]

Where was this 3yr plan stated anywhere or is it just figment of (a certain section of) the supporters imagination ? As far as I have seen it was just one of the many excuses to give Clough more time no one ever seems to be able to find the 3yr plan..

Maybe the phrase "3 year plan" wasn't used but all you need to do is listen to the Jim Phipps interview when we appointed Clough, where he said that Clough was in it for the long term, he was to be given plenty of time to build a team, and the days of us being a sacking club were over.

 

[Dkc]

Maybe the phrase "3 year plan" wasn't used but all you need to do is listen to the Jim Phipps interview when we appointed Clough, where he said that Clough was in it for the long term, he was to be given plenty of time to build a team, and the days of us being a sacking club were over.

Actually seems to have vanished from the Internet. They played it before Football Heaven on Monday but it doesn't seem to be available now

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I love how according to some, the board can do absolutely no right. Some people must seriously depressing lives, if they insist on seeing the negative in everything.

Not seeing much of it here but I do remember someone once saying If they let everyone in free some people would still find something to moan about, and there's some truth in that.

You have to listen to considered and constructive criticism but if it's just the moaning of a misery guts then move on.

 

[Taramasalata]

It is what it is, a statement.

No shit sherlock

 

[Trigger Blade]

Are you stalking me Silent?

Ive had this same broom 12 years its just had 8 new heads and 5 new handles , classic

17 heads, 14 handles, I should know

 

[cooperblade]

Clough had to go as his tactics riled too many fans , who want to see us be far more cavalier in approach

What's the percentage of fans who have to become riled with a manager's tactics before he has to go and how is this measured?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Actually seems to have vanished from the Internet. They played it before Football Heaven on Monday but it doesn't seem to be available now

This one?

https://audioboom.com/boos/3163947-...ps-speaking-live-on-bbcsheffield-tonight-sufc

 

[FleaPitBlade]

Our various directors don't even live on the same continents and have non football interests which means they're rarely in the same country for more than a day or two.

I'm very not surprised important decisions involving several meetings and face to face discussions are convoluted affairs.

 

[Blade56]

Our various directors don't even live on the same continents and have non football interests which means they're rarely in the same country for more than a day or two.

I'm very not surprised important decisions involving several meetings and face to face discussions are convoluted affairs.

With face time, Skype, Microsoft 365 video conferencing the world is a very small place. They can meet anywhere any time at the click of a button

 

[FleaPitBlade]

With face time, Skype, Microsoft 365 video conferencing the world is a very small place. They can meet anywhere any time at the click of a button

And I'm sure they do but I wouldn't interview people for the most important role in my organisation via Skype.

 

[Zanzibar]

Maybe the phrase "3 year plan" wasn't used but all you need to do is listen to the Jim Phipps interview when we appointed Clough, where he said that Clough was in it for the long term, he was to be given plenty of time to build a team, and the days of us being a sacking club were over.

But, but.........if it is obviously not happening in an orderly untroubled way, and the boss is showing signs of confusion, then now was the time to act.
Contracts are not set in stone.

 

[metalblade]

This one?

https://audioboom.com/boos/3163947-...ps-speaking-live-on-bbcsheffield-tonight-sufc

So we have a fan and Jim mentioning a 3yr plan but what was the plan ?
A 3yr contract for Nigel ?
A 3yr contract for Nigel as long as progress was made ?
A 3yr contract for Nigel to stabilise in year one , promotion in year two and stabilise in the Championship in year three.
All very vague but does a 3yr plan mean the board have to stick rigidly to a plan that is clearly not working and was looking even more unlikely to work ?

 

[More Bladier than thou]

Maybe the phrase "3 year plan" wasn't used but all you need to do is listen to the Jim Phipps interview when we appointed Clough, where he said that Clough was in it for the long term, he was to be given plenty of time to build a team, and the days of us being a sacking club were over.

i bet it went without saying that the team would gradually improve.........we didnt at all, we made the same mistakes all season at the back, we threw leads away all season,we couldnt score all season, clough was saying the same shit after the games all season and nothing changed throughout the season.There was no improvement or progression and all he did really was eye up derby county rejects because his scouting team were shit.

 

[Bladesway]

No shit sherlock

You missed the heavily loaded irony then?

 

[Cyprus Blade]

So we have a fan and Jim mentioning a 3yr plan but what was the plan ?

There are some key phrases which JP comes out with on the interview - football is a performance based industry, not wanting to be on the top ten list of clubs with the highest managerial turnover, not second-guessing what is a boardroom discussion, need for stability, focus on the job in hand, not the time for recriminations - all of which become factors but what is clear is that Clough wasn't sacked on a whim, that they know the directions they want to go in and Clough didn't or wouldn't sign up to that or simply couldn't deliver.

What's the saying "Man plans and God laughs" - Somewhere along the line the wheels fell off NC's wagon and it became clear that his limitations were being exposed and he couldn't or wouldn't take action to resolve those. Personally I doubt that the club will present any manager with the sort of total freedom and autonomy that Clough had - sacking Clough rips the heart of the coaching and scouting staff out - and there is a lot of work to sort out the organisational infrastructure and indeed bring it kicking and screaming into the 21st Century. I doubt its just a case of appointing a manager and him bringing his mates with him.

My bet is that there will be organisational and philosophical changes made with a view to constructing a more enduring, stable and efficient organisational model for our club. JP continues to come across as very professional, certainly not a numpty (even if his knowledge of football is limited ) and he would not have survived as the Prince's "go to guy" without having the business and organisational nouse and acumen to sort out problems and construct a successful business model. Let's hope he can do it at Sheffield United.

 

[Bladesway]

Where was this 3yr plan stated anywhere or is it just figment of (a certain section of) the supporters imagination ? As far as I have seen it was just one of the many excuses to give Clough more time no one ever seems to be able to find the 3yr plan. Maybe it was just something wobble gob McCabe spouted like the Beattie flu and Europe in 5 years. I don't believe we had the intentions of sacking Clough mores the pity so no we don't have anyone lined up. Now some pro Clough fans might want or think they somehow deserve an explanation but it is never going to happen. It would be totally un professional for the board to start slagging off Nigel about the differences of opinion which have led to a parting of ways.

Taking out the loaded gun you (as normal) put in to bait anyone who doesn't agree with you, you have a point. I don't remember a 3 year plan. I don't think even McCabe mentioned it. I have heard those wonder phrases like "the project" and the like but not really a time limit.

You and I disagree on Clough and many other things, thats a given but be honest and tell me you trust the clarts that run our club to make a coherent appointment? If you do why? Most of my reason for not firing him is we would end up chasing Ronnie Moore or somesuch to the ends of the world which lets be honest is a backward step.

 

[Bladesway]

Our various directors don't even live on the same continents and have non football interests which means they're rarely in the same country for more than a day or two.

I'm very not surprised important decisions involving several meetings and face to face discussions are convoluted affairs.

Wouldn't this be good reason to employ football people to make said appointment in a correct and timely manner? I know thats what I would do if I wasn't "in the industry"

 

[BushBlade]

"We are working with purpose and deliberation to make the right deal for the Club. "

where does it it say theres financial restrictions
no fucking where
why do people continually make shit up
you could argue they are working on a severance deal with mk dons , no matter what the cost

I took it to mean compensation, which would rule out Robinson. But it could mean the overall package. Or owt.
It's just a bit ambiguous and COULD be interpreted as looking at financials first.
It might have been better if Jim waited until this morning to make the statement but it seems he's got the same affliction as us, message board posters, can't help himself.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Wouldn't this be good reason to employ football people to make said appointment in a correct and timely manner? I know thats what I would do if I wasn't "in the industry"

When we appointed Weir we involved Dave Bassett but nobody wanted the job - no salary, no budget - it took an age and when Weir showed interest we grabbed him. That was before the prince BTW.

The prince's only appointment has been Clough.

 

[Blade56]

Wouldn't this be good reason to employ football people to make said appointment in a correct and timely manner? I know thats what I would do if I wasn't "in the industry"

But who employs the football people, non football people or more football people, and who picks them to employ the football people.

It's no longer the sport of football it's a business and sports business people like Jim who has a world wide sports based operation to run (most of it successful) are the one we have to trust to make the right decisions. And when they don't make the right decisions have the balls to do something about it as they did with Clough.

We will never have harmony until we have success and that will be the responsibility of Jim, HRH, McCabe et al to deliver and for the fans to judge if they have been successful.

Just sayin

 

[maidmarion]

Seems a good enough announcement. There has been so much hysteria on here and j must admit every second I can I've been visiting this site and checking Twitter just in case anything has changed.
We can now relax and enjoy our weekend.....

 

[Taramasalata]

No shit sherlock

You missed the heavily loaded irony then?

Oh, sorry was that irony?????

 

[BushBlade]

When we appointed Weir we involved Dave Bassett but nobody wanted the job - no salary, no budget - it took an age and when Weir showed interest we grabbed him. That was before the prince BTW.

The prince's only appointment has been Clough.

Did Bassett recommend Weir? Or did Uncle Kev completely disregard the committee he had set up to find a new manager and appoint Weir directly, because Moyes had recommended him?

And is there any truth in the rumour that we interviewed Jackett?

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

The broom you get from John Lewis can be more expensive but (much) better value. But If they start asking silly money do you pay it? No. Like I said to me it's a statement of intent.

One precedent might be the Beard. I think that deal was very well worked. We paid very good money and we got a very good player - and more. But imo we didn't pay over the odds.

My broom is from John Lewis . It is hard working , flexible , adaptable and reliable . The tactics of the brush is used for different things , in all seasons. Paying over the odds , has reaped beneficial dividends.

Talking about brushes , we need someone who can be , hard , fair and also soft as a brush with the players.

UTB

 

[Grappler]

Did Bassett recommend Weir? Or did Uncle Kev completely disregard the committee he had set up to find a new manager and appoint Weir directly, because Moyes had recommended him?

And is there any truth in the rumour that we interviewed Jackett?

We interviewed Jacket, but got pants.......!

From memory, yes, Jackett was on the list, so was Eddie Howe! (most Blades I knew pulled a face at that), so was Keith Curle and Russel Slade. Like I said, this is from memory. Weir came out of left field at the last minute.

 

[Blade56]

We interviewed Jacket, but got pants.......!

From memory, yes, Jackett was on the list, so was Eddie Howe! (most Blades I knew pulled a face at that), so was Keith Curle and Russel Slade. Like I said, this is from memory. Weir came out of left field at the last minute.

Eddie Howe was the inigma there. Brilliant record with Ballmouth then flopped at Burnley and went back to Ballmouth and look what happened then!

Just proves the point we've got to get the right man for us, Warnock was that man and we've not found the like since. Let's hope we find our Eddie Howe this time.

 

[metalblade]

Taking out the loaded gun you (as normal) put in to bait anyone who doesn't agree with you, you have a point. I don't remember a 3 year plan. I don't think even McCabe mentioned it. I have heard those wonder phrases like "the project" and the like but not really a time limit.

You and I disagree on Clough and many other things, thats a given but be honest and tell me you trust the clarts that run our club to make a coherent appointment? If you do why? Most of my reason for not firing him is we would end up chasing Ronnie Moore or somesuch to the ends of the world which lets be honest is a backward step.

If it was just McCabe picking a manager I would be very worried given his record since Warnock, maybe I'm not a fan of Clough I just see him as a steady hand not someone who will shoot us up the divisions but he was the best available out of work manager at the time of Weir being sacked. We have an opportunity at the moment to do a lot better than Clough the managers are out there and on Monday three good ones can be got paying no compensation if we have the balls to go out and choose one. I think this weekend will show us if the Prince's investment is game changing or not lets hope we don't once more have to go for a cheap option. If we had thrown money at it last time maybe we would have got Robinson and now be looking forward to the Championship.

 

[Bladesway]

If it was just McCabe picking a manager I would be very worried given his record since Warnock, maybe I'm not a fan of Clough I just see him as a steady hand not someone who will shoot us up the divisions but he was the best available out of work manager at the time of Weir being sacked. We have an opportunity at the moment to do a lot better than Clough the managers are out there and on Monday three good ones can be got paying no compensation if we have the balls to go out and choose one. I think this weekend will show us if the Prince's investment is game changing or not lets hope we don't once more have to go for a cheap option. If we had thrown money at it last time maybe we would have got Robinson and now be looking forward to the Championship.

Looking at how we are going about it I would say McCabe has big influence. Hope I'm wrong and we all get what we want but I have serious doubts.