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GET ALCOCK TO FULL BACK PLEASE,it can't be anymore blatant that he would look even better, and more importantly we would look better with him at RB.
 



wizadry said:
GET ALCOCK TO FULL BACK PLEASE,it can't be anymore blatant that he would look even better, and more importantly we would look better with him at RB.
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Alcock has been a success at centre back and our best player in both matches.
Davies has created most of our goals and the majority of our chances from right back.
I'm not sure why the blatant solution to our problems is to move and/or drop the pair of them.

How about swapping out 18 year old (only 6 matches) McGahey if you want more experience in at Centre Back.
Try looking at Harris, Flynn, Scougall, Basham and Murphy if you want to take out the underpeforming players.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Alcock has been a success at centre back and our best player in both matches.
Davies has created most of our goals and the majority of our chances from right back.
I'm not sure why the blatant solution to our problems is to move and/or drop the pair of them.

How about swapping out 18 year old (only 6 matches) McGahey if you want more experience in at Centre Back.
Try looking at Harris, Flynn, Scougall, Basham and Murphy if you want to take out the underpeforming players.
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I would move Davies to his PROPER position RM,get Flynny out, no where near fit enough.Alcock and Davies would work quite well i think,don't you?
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Alcock has been a success at centre back and our best player in both matches.
Davies has created most of our goals and the majority of our chances from right back.
I'm not sure why the blatant solution to our problems is to move and/or drop the pair of them.

How about swapping out 18 year old (only 6 matches) McGahey if you want more experience in at Centre Back.
Try looking at Harris, Flynn, Scougall, Basham and Murphy if you want to take out the underpeforming players.
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Alcock has been a "success" in a couple of piss poor performances. Tallest dwarf syndrome.
Davies has done a lot of piss poor work with the ball as well and has not helped Flynn in anyway by getting beyond him and getting really telling crosses in. Stopping and launching from just beyond the half way line (a Naysmith if you like) is going to get us nowhere in the long term (ask Blackwell the unemployable).

We are NOT playing well and square pegs in square holes is the best way to sort it out, in my view.
 
wizadry said:
I would move Davies to his PROPER position RM,get Flynny out, no where near fit enough.Alcock and Davies would work quite well i think,don't you?
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I think by doing as you suggest you would weaken both the defence and the attack.
First, you create a very worrying lack of pace at centre back (McGahey and Collins).
In the formation we play, Flynn's position is a key attacking role (a wide forward really) and Davies is not suited to it.
Personally, I would play JCR in that role instead of Flynn based on pre-season and the first couple of matches.

I'm still not sure what the obsession is about moving Alcock away from a position where he's been our one success.
We have problems to solve all over the pitch and about half a dozen underperforming players but everybody seems fixated on the Alcock/Davies non-issue.
 
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Sothall_Blade said:
I'm still not sure what the obsession is about moving Alcock away from a position where he's been our one success.
We have problems to solve all over the pitch and about half a dozen underperforming players but everybody seems fixated on the Alcock/Davies non-issue.
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Because we have no successes at the moment, and as a result, no points.

We have shoe horned Davies into a position he looks incapable of (and as you say) taken Flynn out of the game as a result. You may think Alcock has been a success but his distribution has been poor and we have no-one capable (or willing) to carry the ball forward from the middle (as Collins and Maguire did with great effect last back end).

We know what the players you want to remove can do and giving them the best platform to let them do that is a longer term solution than what is happening at present.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
I think by doing as you suggest you would weaken both the defence and the attack.
First, you create a very worrying lack of pace at centre back (McGahey and Collins).
In the formation we play, Flynn's position is a key attacking role (a wide forward really) and Davies is not suited to it.
Personally, I would play JCR in that role instead of Flynn based on pre-season and the first couple of matches.

I'm still not sure what the obsession is about moving Alcock away from a position where he's been our one success.
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You're living in Cloughy land mate.When was the last time we had pace at the back?.Alcock will still be there to cover,he will still be in defence,get this obsession out of your head that we need pace at the back when there has been nothing wrong at the back for a few years now without pace.

Alcock is a RB who can cover at centre half.Davies is a RM by trade,what do you not understand about their proper positions?Davies is crossing from too deep.He would be alot better crossing further up the pitch.

As for Flynny,its quite clear he's no where near fit to me so he shouldn't be playing and i like Flynny aswell.
 
I said after the Fenerbahce game that Davis could be a man without a position. That has manifested itself: trying to get him a position has unbalanced the team.

Davis has virtues but his great strength is his versatility. He should be the one slotting where there are gaps. We should not be moving others to accommodate him.

Flynn is either still injured or back to his 2012 not going round people self. Either way he shouldn't be starting.
 
Grecian2000 said:
Because we have no successes at the moment, and as a result, no points.

We have shoe horned Davies into a position he looks incapable of (and as you say) taken Flynn out of the game as a result. You may think Alcock has been a success but his distribution has been poor and we have no-one capable (or willing) to carry the ball forward from the middle (as Collins and Maguire did with great effect last back end).

We know what the players you want to remove can do and giving them the best platform to let them do that is a longer term solution than what is happening at present.
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Maguire was exceptionally good at carrying the ball out from the back and we are definitely going to miss that from our game whatever we do.
However, Alcock is just as capable at carrying the ball out from the back as Collins. Probably more so, given his history as a full back.
Again, my suggestion has always been to play Collins and Alcock together which has the same effect as your solution to this problem.
Why is nobody suggesting McGahey be dropped or moved because he can’t/won’t bring the ball out from the back?

You seem on one hand to be suggesting that Alcock can’t bring the ball out from the back and on the other believing that he will be able to bomb forward like Brayford and therefore bring Flynn into the game more.
The ideal solution would of course be to buy an attacking, overlapping right back (like Brayford). I personally don’t believe that anyone in the current squad can fill that role (not even Alcock).
Therefore, my suggestion would be to play an attacking right winger who can beat a man with pace and trickery and get to the byline (i.e. JCR not Flynn).
Behind him I would play Davies at right back for his distribution, crossing and set-piece ability.
Personally I think Davies / JCR offers much more creativity and attacking threat than an Alcock / Flynn combination.
 
wizadry said:
You're living in Cloughy land mate.When was the last time we had pace at the back?.Alcock will still be there to cover,he will still be in defence,get this obsession out of your head that we need pace at the back when there has been nothing wrong at the back for a few years now without pace.

Alcock is a RB who can cover at centre half.Davies is a RM by trade,what do you not understand about their proper positions?Davies is crossing from too deep.He would be alot better crossing further up the pitch.

As for Flynny,its quite clear he's no where near fit to me so he shouldn't be playing and i like Flynny aswell.
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You're lecturing me on playing proper positions and you want to play Davies in the wide Murphy/Flynn role?
Do you not understand that when we only have one striker the player in that position is essentially a wide forward?
You really think Davies is a wide forward or an attack-minded winger?

Also, do you think it's possible to discuss this without adopting a condescending tone and telling me to get my opinions out of my head?
 
Sothall_Blade said:
You seem on one hand to be suggesting that Alcock can’t bring the ball out from the back and on the other believing that he will be able to bomb forward like Brayford and therefore bring Flynn into the game more.
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Sort of right. I'm thinking Alcock doesn't do this as a CB because he hasn't played the position enough, and in our system, to know this is what's required (inexperience at CB for me).
I believe, from what I've seen, he will try and do this from his position at RB.
 
Peterborough (0) 0
Sheff Utd (7) 10 Higdon 5, 12, 36, Murphy 17, 18, Howard 42, Flynn 45, McNutly 78, Porter 88, Clough 90+7 (pen)

Sent off: Captain Blade, 90+8 excessive celebrations
 
Sothall_Blade said:
You're lecturing me on playing proper positions and you want to play Davies in the wide Murphy/Flynn role?
Do you not understand that when we only have one striker the player in that position is essentially a wide forward?
You really think Davies is a wide forward or an attack-minded winger?

Also, do you think it's possible to discuss this without adopting a condescending tone and telling me to get my opinions out of my head?
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For one its not a lecture and i'm sorry you see it this way,i'm simply stating what i think we should do.

Who said anything about Davies doing the Murphy/Flynn role.I said in place of Flynn,i never said in any sort of role or formation.For me i'd get 2 up top then there is less emphasis on our wingers to do everything.

As for telling you to get opinions out of your head,you mentioned obsession about Alcock needing to be moved,its not an obsession,its an opinion set after seeing the first few games and having looked at the results,i'd pretty much say something needs to be done.
 
Toronto Blade fan said:
Would love to see a 4-4-2....
Howard
Alcock-HM-Collins-Harris
JCR-Baxter-Murphy-Davies
Higdon-McNulty

Sadly Im expecting.......
Howard
Davies-Alcock-HM-Harris
Flynn-Reed-Scougall-Flynn-Murphy
Higdon
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Nowt wrong with the second line up except I suspect Higdon would find it difficult to drop out of the box when we attack like Baxter did last season drawing their c/h's out thus creating space for the midfield to run into.

In his mind he no doubt thinks 'bollocks to that, I'll get 20 goals if I hang around.
 



KenMcnaughtsNuts said:
Peterborough (0) 0
Sheff Utd (7) 10 Higdon 5, 12, 36, Murphy 17, 18, Howard 42, Flynn 45, McNutly 78, Porter 88, Clough 90+7 (pen)

Sent off: Captain Blade, 90+8 excessive celebrations
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That would be just typical of Clough n'all, to sit back in the 2nd half...
 
Howard
Alcock McGahey Collins McEveley
Davies Doyle Basham Murphy
Baxter
McNulty
 
Liaminho9 said:
Howard
Alcock McGahey Collins McEveley
Davies Doyle Basham Murphy
Baxter
McNulty
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Cheers pal.I don't know why he's playing Davies if Higdon isn't playing.He should have played JCR if he wasn't playing Higdon imo.
 
wizadry said:
Cheers pal.I don't know why he's playing Davies if Higdon isn't playing.He should have played JCR if he wasn't playing Higdon imo.
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Think he is going for a striker that's a bit more fit and isn't Chris Porter.
 
How many players have played in the same position for two games in a row this season so far? I make it 4
 



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