Percentage of shots that go in against us

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It's weird because defensively we've been quite good recently, but if we're not scoring one goal is all they need and we've lost.

We really, really need to start taking our chances.

And we need some competition in defence to keep them on their toes. Stevens and Bash need cover because Stevens has been off it for a while but Wilder obviously doesn't think Lafferty can play there in the league, and Bash has been at times approaching being a liability.
 
Is a ridiculous 42%. Almost half of the shots teams have against us goes in. It's by far the most in the league. We have also had less shots on goal than all but 5 teams in the league though we have the 5th best shots per goals ratio.

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That is mad to be fair. We do seem to concede a disproportionate amount of worldies. Even the Snodgrass effort, whilst a poor decision from Stevens, was still a great finish.
 
Is a ridiculous 42%. Almost half of the shots teams have against us goes in. It's by far the most in the league. We have also had less shots on goal than all but 5 teams in the league though we have the 5th best shots per goals ratio.

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That is quite frightening. Shows perhaps that whilst teams maybe don't have a vast volume of chances against us, they do get some clear-cut ones that they inevitably take.

United will be aware of this information though, I'm sure.
 
I think it’s difficult to strengthen us, given our lack of resource, but a top keeper would be my next big signing.


Moore has done okay, but we never see the worldy displays that other keepers seem to manage against us.
 
I think it’s difficult to strengthen us, given our lack of resource, but a top keeper would be my next big signing.


Moore has done okay, but we never see the worldy displays that other keepers seem to manage against us.

I dont think that will be the priority, nor should it: I can think of 3 positions that need strengthening before GK.

This stat, in isolation, is quite damning for a keeper, but I don't think it's an accurate reflection of Moore - he's more than adequate.
 
I think it’s difficult to strengthen us, given our lack of resource, but a top keeper would be my next big signing.


Moore has done okay, but we never see the worldy displays that other keepers seem to manage against us.
I can see what you are saying but Moore only had two real shots to save all game, you could put the best keeper in the country in but with only two shots to save he'd hardly be having that worldy performance. Oh for the days of having Kelly, Tracey or Rees to pick from.
 
Good OP. It's frustrating when you read stats like that!!. The one simple truth is plainly evident we've got to start being more clinical in front of goal?. Do we really have strikers that are capable of doing that?. Brooks might have made a difference last night but we just don't seem to have a goal poacher?. I'm starting to have doubts about Moore as he doesn't ever produce a worldly performance just the odd occasional stop. Would Jamal have done any better with snodgrass's shot?. I'm not sure?. In wilder we trust. Utb
 
Is a ridiculous 42%. Almost half of the shots teams have against us goes in. It's by far the most in the league. We have also had less shots on goal than all but 5 teams in the league though we have the 5th best shots per goals ratio.

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I saw that stat on Twitter last night.

We've conceded 33 goals so that percentage suggests other teams have had 78 shots against us which is less than 3 a game. I'll have a proper look later but that doesn't seem right.

I posted when people were debating Moore v Blackman that we have a poor record in terms of how many shots it takes to score a goal against us. At that time, we'd improved in that regard versus last season through when we were even worse.

Lots of things that it could be down to but it's possible (and I'm not saying this is the case) that we've just been unlucky over the last 75 games in terms of the quality of shots we've faced. I can think of a few long rangers that should've definitely been saved (Moore v Hull this season and a few from last season) but I can also think of a lot where I thought the keeper had no chance.
 
Is this from the same stat site that indicates we've allowed the fewest shots on goal and fewest shots on target in the entire division, which indicates we're quite good at defending? And, as people reference the number of "worldies" we've conceded, that even the shots we do allow are hugely speculative and low percentage?
 
I saw that stat on Twitter last night.

We've conceded 33 goals so that percentage suggests other teams have had 78 shots against us which is less than 3 a game. I'll have a proper look later but that doesn't seem right.

Taken from Footstats - less than 3 on target per game from our opponents, on average.

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Lots of things that it could be down to but it's possible (and I'm not saying this is the case) that we've just been unlucky over the last 75 games in terms of the quality of shots we've faced. I can think of a few long rangers that should've definitely been saved (Moore v Hull this season and a few from last season) but I can also think of a lot where I thought the keeper had no chance.

I'm trying to be objective on this, but I really am inclined to believe that we've been very unlucky this season in terms of the goals we've conceded. It's not like we're being cut open each game or conceding loads of tap-ins.
 
Is a ridiculous 42%. Almost half of the shots teams have against us goes in. It's by far the most in the league. We have also had less shots on goal than all but 5 teams in the league though we have the 5th best shots per goals ratio.

STATS
That stat sounds outrageous!

What’s the average Roy?
 



I think it’s difficult to strengthen us, given our lack of resource, but a top keeper would be my next big signing.


Moore has done okay, but we never see the worldy displays that other keepers seem to manage against us.
He can only make worldys if the situation presents itself. We test the opposition keeper more ,but you give players on 40-50 k a week an opportunity and they will give the keeper no chance like last night. Villas keeper didn't look all that but he didn't get an effort like Snodgrass's against him. The goal was completely down to a terrible decision or lack of concentration by Stevens ,our keepers haven't cost us many points this season ,last night was down to Stevens and the forwards.
 
That is quite frightening. Shows perhaps that whilst teams maybe don't have a vast volume of chances against us, they do get some clear-cut ones that they inevitably take.

United will be aware of this information though, I'm sure.

Opposition teams aren’t getting clear cut chances.
We have one of the most underworked goalies in the league, so the defence is clearly doing well.
We create more chances than the opposition every match, which is a good sign.
 
It's an anomaly that's for sure...
 
I think it’s difficult to strengthen us, given our lack of resource, but a top keeper would be my next big signing.


Moore has done okay, but we never see the worldy displays that other keepers seem to manage against us.
Maybe because Moore doesn't get tested as much as our opponents keepers do?
 
I'm starting to have doubts about Moore as he doesn't ever produce a worldly performance just the odd occasional stop. Would Jamal have done any better with snodgrass's shot?. I'm not sure?. In wilder we trust. Utb

As much as it pains me to say, Moore kept us a point against the pigs. The goal last night wouldn't have been saved by anyone, it was struck perfectly with the right amount of height / dip / power.

The question shouldn't be "Why did it go in?" It should be "Why did he have time to shoot so nicely from so far?"

We played well last night so I'm not concerned, but our lack of scoring prowess currently is costing us. It's not a case of the tactics not working, we just seem more reluctant to run at defences from both sides in case it doesn't get us anywhere.

The difference being, if we'd attacked the defence more last night we may have scored, as it would've rattled a very strong back line.

It's a hard loss to take when teams are pretty much there for the taking (as the case has been a few times this season) and we've not really gone for it to our full potential.
 
It was the same last season, if I understood that site that posted various stats. Good at preventing teams having chances, but when they do we're not great at dealing with them. Only going to be worse when the teams we're up against are more capable of things like Snodgrass did.
Yesterday, I think it was obvious we've got a team full of players mostly playing at the highest standard they can, up against players who've played at a higher level but maybe don't have the team and work ethic or manager had issued
 
I can think of a few long rangers that should've definitely been saved (Moore v Hull this season and a few from last season) but I can also think of a lot where I thought the keeper had no chance.

I’d add to that though that in a couple of recent games I’ve seen (the derby and at Norwich) there were also a good number of long-range efforts that could easily have punished us. We do need to be a bit wiser to restricting those types of chances – last season it made perfect sense to adopt a “let them shoot” mentality from that kind of distance, because the vast majority wouldn’t have the quality to seriously test the keeper. This season though we are coming up against players that more often do have that in their locker.
 
Neither keeper is really to blame if you ask me. Blackman or Moore. That stat is awful reading for a keeper but I don't hold either of them responsible as we have conceded some absolute worldies.

The problem is in front of them - we are allowing top quality players all the time in the world to shoot. We've done it for years, even last season, but the problem is this year we're up against the teams who have the quality to capitalize and we just aren't learning from it. I don't know how many we need to concede before we fucking get out and close people down.
 
The one simple truth is plainly evident we've got to start being more clinical in front of goal?. Do we really have strikers that are capable of doing that?. Brooks might have made a difference last night but we just don't seem to have a goal poacher?.

Like Billy Sharp?
Yeah. It's a bastard that. Innit?
 
I dont think that will be the priority, nor should it: I can think of 3 positions that need strengthening before GK.

This stat, in isolation, is quite damning for a keeper, but I don't think it's an accurate reflection of Moore - he's more than adequate.
I think we need a top striker even more, but we can’t afford one.

Moore, for me, is average. In every other position we are above that, IMHO.
 
Statistics always lie.

For example, this statistic could well be the result of an excellent defence which doesn't allow the opposition to get shots off. In order to score, the opposition has to work harder so when they do eventually get a shot off, it's in a great position and they have a higher chance of scoring. Or it takes a fantastic strike from an unexpected position, from a striker who's realised we're not letting them get shots away and takes it on himself to do something. It could also mean that other teams don't prevent shots from low percentage situations, meaning a lot of misses go flying left, right, up and over, whereas our defence doesn't take the chance and tries to stop every shot.

People who just take a stat at face value and compare it to another at face value, in any subject, are probably going to come to the wrong conclusion.
 
We need a Championship class striker, no doubt about it. Despite have the joint-top scorer in the league, Clarke's 15 goals have come in 8 games, so he's only actually scored in 8 out of 26 games this season. Despite less appearances and a lot less time on he pitch, Billy has scored in 7 different games, but we desperately need someone capable of scoring regularly. Unfortunately the budget won't allow this and we can't "shop at Aldi" for this type of player so we're going to continue to struggle until this is sorted.

I think another issue we having with buying lower-division players is that they simply aren't used to playing regularly against players that can stick one in from 30 yards. Every team in the Championship has a player or players that are capable of this and all it takes is allowing them an extra second or two on the ball and they'll do what Snodgrass did. I know we conceded a couple of worldies last season but again it's something that really needs addressing or it's something else we'll struggle with.

I'm not going to complain too much though, we've already exceeded expectations for this season, Villa were playing a £10m centre forward and an £8m centre back (and the rest) and we more than matched them. I'm not angry, just disappointed.
 



I think we need a top striker even more, but we can’t afford one.

Moore, for me, is average. In every other position we are above that, IMHO.

Only a handful of teams can afford one, considering the going rate for a "top striker" appears to be £10-£15m. This means we will have to buy a player who has the capability to potentially be a top striker - this will mean shopping in the lower leagues or abroad.

In every other position we are above average?
I doubt whether our RCB, LWB and ST would be considered above average, relative to our opposition.
 

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