People saying Weir out.....

[Kev Gee]

Are you fucking mental?

Sacking a manager 5 games into the season would be madness.

A manager that has come in & shown he has a blueprint. But that blueprint will take time.

Sacking a manager now would be worse than the timing of Blackwell & Wilson.........

What would a new manager be able to do with this squad of players that Weir could not?

 

[true99blade]

Sacking Weir at any point this season would be daft, we need to give him time to re-shape the entire side. Although if we still can't find a goal upfront in the next few games we need to change the format.

 

[ThatJa]

The players need to take most of the stick. Extra training sessions for team bonding is desperately needed.

 

[sheffielder]

The players need to take most of the stick. Extra training sessions for team bonding is desperately needed.

Who would be responsible for sorting that out?

 

[Rodders]

Who on earth has said that? Why does a critique of playing staff, most of which the current manager has inherited, mean "Weir Out"?

 

[UnitedBlade]

Start with the players that aren't good enough, we have far too many at the moment to mount any sort of challenge.

I would move out McMahon, Flynn, Murphy, Porter, Williams if possible.

Not ideal, but we need good loanees to start with and serious permanent recruitment in January.

Miller and Diego back will help and maybe Smith and Eyre might be good enough given time ?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

What do you based this expectancy of Diego on?

I personally think Miller would make a difference, but I don't understand what this Diego hype is based on.
Let the kid develop under the radar, this hype is based on a few people watching him do really well at a much lower level and a few thousand having hardly seen him at all but happily proclaiming him Baggio mark 2.

 

[judge]

Those oddballs on dragons den are always saying weir out

 

[alcoblade]

What do you based this expectancy of Diego on?

I personally think Miller would make a difference, but I don't understand what this Diego hype is based on.
Let the kid develop under the radar, this hype is based on a few people watching him do really well at a much lower level and a few thousand having hardly seen him at all but happily proclaiming him Baggio mark 2.

I think it's desperation / hope based on the lack of playmakers over the last few years.

You can live in hope.

UTB

 

[ThatJa]

Who would be responsible for sorting that out?

A manager can only motivate and fire them up and tell the player what his role is, the rest is down to that player to perform.

 

[Brisca Blade]

You can't hold Weir or the system he wants to play responsible for Taylors or Brandy's misses or Coadys poor defending. They were all individual mistakes.

 

[Rudders]

I will say this about Weir:
- Where is the passion on the touchline, I know he is own man but can't help but think some of his role models and the best Scotch Managers (Fergie/Moyes/Smith etc) would have been giving it some. He reminded me of Nobson in his body language.
- The formation is not working
- Where is Porter - why is he not playing? He is better than some of the guff at the moment. Even if you don't like him at least play him until you have got someone in who is definitely better
- We need more steel and strength
- We need more leadership
- We are physically weak in the middle of midfield
- Why aren't we making more of our very strong and powerful centre backs
- Why are set pieces defending and attacking so poor (Carsley?) in both technique and organisation. Why do we let McMahon waste everything he didn't even manage to loft the ball off the ground today
- Stop your team making the same mistakes over and over again

I hope he is on his mobile all tomorrow and Monday sorting out the 3 new strikers we need. That would be a good start.

 

[Harry's Game]

He gets until Christmas to get us out of relegation trouble, because make no mistake I believe we will lose three of the next four games at least and that will mean bottom four and shit storm aplenty.

I'll accept mid table rebuilding this season, relegation fight.. NO!

 

[chesblade]

Porter was injured. We got there early and he was out on his own with a coach. Went in before rest of team came out to start warming up. He then came out in his suit so can only think he failed a medical

 

[Harry's Game]

Porter was injured. We got there early and he was out on his own with a coach. Went in before rest of team came out to start warming up. He then came out in his suit so can only think he failed a medical

either that or it was a new coach and after he saw him for two minutes trying to be footballer he just persuaded him to pack it in.

 

[scrap]

Best thing thats happened in years, for us. Give Him time, He will get it right.

 

[OllyBlade]

Honestly, I think we will sink into a relegation dogfight, through no fault of Weir's but instead the rubbish bunch of players he has inherited, the trigger will be pulled and we'll get another hoof manager in to try (and fail) in battening down the hatches. We have the same problems as in 2010/11 and the same kinds of results - conceding late goals, no reward when we do play better. Look at the next run of fixtures. We might get something away at Carlisle, but I will be stunned if we leave September with more than 7 points. All the investment talk so far is of promises and what is going to happen. Until it does, I'm finding it hard to be optimistic even with the last few days of excitement.

 

[highpeakblade]

I honestly 100% think that in a few weeks anyone with any doubts about David Weir will have these quashed and come may you will feel a bit silly for even doubting him in the first place.

Previous managers spoke of playing a certain style of attractive, attacking, on the deck football and in Wilson's case to an extent this did work especially so when he had the players to do so eg Evans and Williamson.

Weir has a game plan and has already recognized a good few of the problems that we have known to exist for some time. He's strengthening in the right places and is looking to bring the right type of pacey, attacking playmakers thaour squad needs.

It will come good and I predict very good when we hit full steam. Just sit back and put up with it on a temporary basis.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I honestly 100% think that in a few weeks anyone with any doubts about David Weir will have these quashed and come may you will feel a bit silly for even doubting him in the first place.

Previous managers spoke of playing a certain style of attractive, attacking, on the deck football and in Wilson's case to an extent this did work especially so when he had the players to do so eg Evans and Williamson.

Weir has a game plan and has already recognized a good few of the problems that we have known to exist for some time. He's strengthening in the right places and is looking to bring the right type of pacey, attacking playmakers thaour squad needs.

It will come good and I predict very good when we hit full steam. Just sit back and put up with it on a temporary basis.

Alternatively, he seems to be signing a fair few players who don't fit into his one and only game plan.

He spent 250K on Taylor who doesn't seem suited to the lone striker role he's hell-bent on persisting with. Also made inquiries about Wilson who doesn't sound like he can play that role either. where are they both going to play within the current system?

He signed both McGinn and Coady who now seem to be competing for the one slot holding Doyle's hand in front of the back four. If he signs Cuvelier as well will both new boys be left warming the bench?

Meanwhile, we've played fellow new signing McGinty as a makeshift full back who can't go forward despite that being Weir's stated preference. Yet nothing Weir has said suggests we're looking to sign any new attacking full backs.

The recruitment policy of signing good young players is sound. But it doesn't seem to tie in with the game-plan at the moment. I respectfully suggest that the game plan may need to change.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

Bloody hell. Friday night we were the next Manchester City and the future looked bright. Saturday night we're back to being Accrington Stanley ("who the 'ell are they?").

As a collective bunch, we Blades are proper bipolar.

 

[grafikhaus]

Honestly, I think we will sink into a relegation dogfight, through no fault of Weir's but instead the rubbish bunch of players he has inherited.

I'd agree with that. We're so poor that decent players like Brandy and Baxter (and Coady?) are surrounded by crap and so their efforts are being nullified.

To be fair, I've hardly heard anybody say 'Weir out' (apart from that fucking knobhead Brian on P & G last night). This project needs a lot more than five games - Mourinho wouldn't be able to unpick the crap that Wilson, Adams & Robson left.

I'm strangely upbeat about yesterday. 15k crowd and what went off on the pitch - I'm pretty sure we've pretty much reached the bottom now, and in years to come we'll be saying 'Do you remember that MKD game? Jesus!'

 

[SwissBlade]

What do you based this expectancy of Diego on?

I personally think Miller would make a difference, but I don't understand what this Diego hype is based on.
Let the kid develop under the radar, this hype is based on a few people watching him do really well at a much lower level and a few thousand having hardly seen him at all but happily proclaiming him Baggio mark 2.

I'm not saying it but presumably because he's done well for the Italian U21s. A level far higher than what were at

 

[shorehamview]

People also used to believe that the earth was flat, and that if you sailed too far you'd fall off, assuming you managed to make it past the sea serpents, krakens and mermaids. Just because they thought they were right doesn't mean that they were.

Any buffoon can spout all manner of nonsense and totally believe that it's true, but that doesn't make them right. On a completely different subject, where's Micalijo? He's usually here when we've lost, but off looking for unicorns, pixies and the edge of the earth when we win.

 

[UnitedBlade]

What do you based this expectancy of Diego on?

I personally think Miller would make a difference, but I don't understand what this Diego hype is based on.
Let the kid develop under the radar, this hype is based on a few people watching him do really well at a much lower level and a few thousand having hardly seen him at all but happily proclaiming him Baggio mark 2.

My view on Diego is based on watching him quite a bit for the U18s and U21s. He was about to start making contributions from the bench when he got injured. He has quick feet, is willing to shoot and has good movement.

Obviously we don't know how he'll recover and it won't be until after Christmas.

I'm not suggesting he would be a starter but I'm sure he'd justify being part of the squad, coming off the bench from time to time and see how it goes.

I still think Weir has a lot to do with the squad because personally I would try to move out Porter Williams McMahon Flynn and Murphy.

Too many in one window but they are under performers for me. This is mainly based on poor contribution in the attacking third. We have relapsed to the poor scoring record we suffered after Christmas last season and it needs fixing.

 

[sheffielder]

Unfortunately, it's the basics that are letting us down. These things can be coached out of them, however that does not appear to be happening.

The closing down is god damn awful - ends up with the 'captain' trying to do other peoples jobs which unfortunately leaves an acre of space behind him and again he is out of position. As leader he should be pushing his players to do the work in their area of the pitch especially when the other team are taking goal kicks. Carsley said at the meeting that team like to come here because we make the pitch big for them by not closing down. Lee, it is worse this season! This is something they do in training, how can it be so bad?

When we have the ball, our players namely Flynn and Murphy from yesterday seem to want to go back towards their own goal to get the next pass. They should be on their bike to spread the game. This is something they do in training, how can it be so bad?

When George has the ball we are hell bent on playing it short yet we only give him one option. If you look at MK Dons their full backs are there on both side, irrelevant of which side George is taking the kick from. Midfielders then drop back in to give him a 3rd option. If you want to play total football, they can do something in training, how can it be so bad?

I am not sure where the hell this is all going wrong, however we are making life so difficult for ourselves. We don't have a captain worthy of the name and players with the intelligence to do anything about it.

Can the basics be that hard?

 

[Flakey]

Strange innit?

The very people who are shouting get rid of the deadwood and bring on the young'uns, don't have the patience to allow them to gel and work together to make the next United team who can challenge for promotion.

I would be surprised if results don't really show much sign of improvement until Christmas.

OK so promotion is out this season, but if DW is trying to build a team that with experience and a bit of tinkering can ride up to the Championship and hold its own there, and then with a bit more tinkering can mount another challenge for promotion, then he has my full backing.

 

[BladeFisher]

I honestly 100% think that in a few weeks anyone with any doubts about David Weir will have these quashed and come may you will feel a bit silly for even doubting him in the first place.

Previous managers spoke of playing a certain style of attractive, attacking, on the deck football and in Wilson's case to an extent this did work especially so when he had the players to do so eg Evans and Williamson.

Weir has a game plan and has already recognized a good few of the problems that we have known to exist for some time. He's strengthening in the right places and is looking to bring the right type of pacey, attacking playmakers thaour squad needs.

It will come good and I predict very good when we hit full steam. Just sit back and put up with it on a temporary basis.

I disagree with your assumptions. Take Ched. He was largely accepted as garbage for the couple of years we had him prior to Wilson's tenure. Another misfit. What Wilson did was get the best out of what we had. At the moment it looks as if Weir is not doing the same.

Now before people interpret this as an anti Weir post, it isn't because what we don't know, is, if McDonald had not gone or rather if the whole transfer thing had not happened, would we have done better than we have? Of course we can't answer that or prove it either way. If the perception is that we would have done better, then you might reasonably argue that Weir was 'torpedoed' and is now in damage control/limitation and is working on plan B, which to be fair might need a bit of time (but how much time do you give him). If the answer is no then it is not unreasnable to conclude that Weir's ability might not be as good as people expect.

Take DB and NW. They both stepped in when United were going tits up. NW in the autumn, DB at the end of Jan. NW saved us easily from relegation, DB didn't but we came back strong the next season. On that basis and given that in theory by May 2015 we could be anywhere from being promoted to the Prem or relegated to the Conference you have to say how long do I give this guy.

I would say if he hasn't secured some semblance of order by the end of October - 3 months in charge) he is not the right man for United. It would then be a judgement of stick or twist. If you stick and he takes us down what do you do then? Our record at surviving relegation scraps with new managers isn't good.

Of course we may then be 8th, sorted out the wobbles and a reasonable season may ensue, but at the moment 5 games without a win for one of the promotion favourites doesn't look good. The last club I recall doing so badly was Keane at Ipswich, who were ' a favourite' and it proved rather unsuccessful for both parties.

 

[highpeakblade]

Alternatively, he seems to be signing a fair few players who don't fit into his one and only game plan.

He spent 250K on Taylor who doesn't seem suited to the lone striker role he's hell-bent on persisting with. Also made inquiries about Wilson who doesn't sound like he can play that role either. where are they both going to play within the current system?

He signed both McGinn and Coady who now seem to be competing for the one slot holding Doyle's hand in front of the back four. If he signs Cuvelier as well will both new boys be left warming the bench?

Meanwhile, we've played fellow new signing McGinty as a makeshift full back who can't go forward despite that being Weir's stated preference. Yet nothing Weir has said suggests we're looking to sign any new attacking full backs.

The recruitment policy of signing good young players is sound. But it doesn't seem to tie in with the game-plan at the moment. I respectfully suggest that the game plan may need to change.

He signed Taylor a striker who bagged nearly 30 goals last season most of which were solo crafted attempts in a mediocre team. Looking at the stats it seems he's scored goals in 4-4-2, 4-5-1 and 4-3-3 formations as well so he should he wasn't new to Weir's system and offers us a great deal of flexibility if we do revert back to a 4-4-2 which I think might happen before too long.

As for the overall performances of individuals I think on paper they do have the ability. Coady started well but has dipped a bit but has the potential to be a class act. Feb Brandy is a handful and will come good i'm sure, if he wins a few set pieces for us then Baxter is an expert. And Taylor as much as people knock him is doing things right all bar hitting the back of the net. He's working hard in that formation which doesn't gift him a hell of a lot to carve out chance and get in dangerous positions.

We're a handful of games into a season and it might have been a slow burner but were not terrible are we to be fair. I'm disappointed that it's taking a while but they do have to gel and get to know eachother etc. It will come good guaranteed.

 

[highpeakblade]

Alternatively, he seems to be signing a fair few players who don't fit into his one and only game plan.

He spent 250K on Taylor who doesn't seem suited to the lone striker role he's hell-bent on persisting with. Also made inquiries about Wilson who doesn't sound like he can play that role either. where are they both going to play within the current system?

He signed both McGinn and Coady who now seem to be competing for the one slot holding Doyle's hand in front of the back four. If he signs Cuvelier as well will both new boys be left warming the bench?

Meanwhile, we've played fellow new signing McGinty as a makeshift full back who can't go forward despite that being Weir's stated preference. Yet nothing Weir has said suggests we're looking to sign any new attacking full backs.

The recruitment policy of signing good young players is sound. But it doesn't seem to tie in with the game-plan at the moment. I respectfully suggest that the game plan may need to change.

He signed Taylor a striker who bagged nearly 30 goals last season most of which were solo crafted attempts in a mediocre team. Looking at the stats it seems he's scored goals in 4-4-2, 4-5-1 and 4-3-3 formations as well so he should he wasn't new to Weir's system and offers us a great deal of flexibility if we do revert back to a 4-4-2 which I think might happen before too long.

As for the overall performances of individuals I think on paper they do have the ability. Coady started well but has dipped a bit but has the potential to be a class act. Feb Brandy is a handful and will come good i'm sure, if he wins a few set pieces for us then Baxter is an expert. And Taylor as much as people knock him is doing things right all bar hitting the back of the net. He's working hard in that formation which doesn't gift him a hell of a lot to carve out chance and get in dangerous positions.

We're a handful of games into a season and it might have been a slow burner but were not terrible are we to be fair. I'm disappointed that it's taking a while but they do have to gel and get to know eachother etc. It will come good guaranteed.

 

[Pinchy]

I disagree with your assumptions. Take Ched. He was largely accepted as garbage for the couple of years we had him prior to Wilson's tenure. Another misfit. What Wilson did was get the best out of what we had. At the moment it looks as if Weir is not doing the same.

Now before people interpret this as an anti Weir post, it isn't because what we don't know, is, if McDonald had not gone or rather if the whole transfer thing had not happened, would we have done better than we have? Of course we can't answer that or prove it either way. If the perception is that we would have done better, then you might reasonably argue that Weir was 'torpedoed' and is now in damage control/limitation and is working on plan B, which to be fair might need a bit of time (but how much time do you give him). If the answer is no then it is not unreasnable to conclude that Weir's ability might not be as good as people expect.

Take DB and NW. They both stepped in when United were going tits up. NW in the autumn, DB at the end of Jan. NW saved us easily from relegation, DB didn't but we came back strong the next season. On that basis and given that in theory by May 2015 we could be anywhere from being promoted to the Prem or relegated to the Conference you have to say how long do I give this guy.

I would say if he hasn't secured some semblance of order by the end of October - 3 months in charge) he is not the right man for United. It would then be a judgement of stick or twist. If you stick and he takes us down what do you do then? Our record at surviving relegation scraps with new managers isn't good.

Of course we may then be 8th, sorted out the wobbles and a reasonable season may ensue, but at the moment 5 games without a win for one of the promotion favourites doesn't look good. The last club I recall doing so badly was Keane at Ipswich, who were ' a favourite' and it proved rather unsuccessful for both parties.

I actually heard a numpty screaming "Weir Out" at the top of his voice at the final whistle. You're almost as daft as him.